JingA Plate and new rules regarding the CCC mark?

What is definitive answer on the new rule this March 2014 where the dealers are saying they cannot JingA plate any of their bikes which do not have the CCC mark?

Was this always the case and what really changed recently?

Also, people are making a distinction between "big" CCC and "small" CCC as in distributor level certification versus individual bike certification. I am told the distributor level is the one that changed and that individual bike level can still be done but not for bikes where there already exists an official distributor of the manufacturer in country. Relatedly, I am told "xiao mao" individual imports were also recently banned and this is somehow related to the CCC issue. Anyone have the published rules on this to clear it up? How much of this relevant to other cities?

Finally, if anyone would be interested in creating a handy list of what is already CCC now and what is in the application process of getting CCC perhaps post it here.
For example, it appears BMW has CCC for just about all their bikes, Ducati just the Monster and the Diavel, and KTM only their smallest bike (the 150?) but they are applying for a few of the bigger bikes now.

Others to list?

Apparently the "big" CCC process requires the manufacturer to provide 3 bikes to the AQSIQ plus a boat load of other fees and long process, etc. so they are not all motivated to certify all bikes depending on overall demand/market strategy?

Update -- clear as mud though...

The policy is only for Beijing -- link below:

http://www.bjepb.gov.cn/bjepb/323474...740/index.html

While unclear, I am told the implication is any bike imported after March 1, 2014 cannot be plated if it does not have CCC. In addition, CCC will no longer be issued to any vehicle (including motorcycles) with an annual sales volume in Beijing that would be less than 100 units. Apparently, this has nothing to do with the import itself. But since new imports occur after March 1, they would not be able to get a CCC, at the individual level (unless CCC was obtained by the manufacturer).

Separately, there is a rumor that by the end of this year or early next that JingA plates will no longer be transferable. Existing holders would in effect be grandfathered and could buy a new bike under their pre-existing JingA when their current bike exceeds the scrap number of years rule (within six months). All those agents hoarding JingA plates would also be eventually diminished through anti-hoarding enforcement (so not only cannot transfer but also cannot keep and "rent" through agency contracts). The rumor is that because of "pollution" that no one should be within fifth ring with a bike. The rumor further goes that even "grandfathered" JingAs would eventually be eliminated by way of increasing certain environmental standards each year.

Anyone have more on either of these developments to make mud into clarity?

Some more on CCC/ccc...

This all really leads up the 环评报告 (environmental assessment report) which is the main pre-requisite for new plating. Prior to the new rule, one could obtain this by first obtaining small ccc. This is because for commerce of less than 100 bikes, an on-site individual inspection was allowed to get this and then clear the 环评报告. This on-site individual environmental inspection is now eliminated so impossible to obtain for bikes without big CCC (i.e., small ccc no longer exists). With a big CCC, the 环评报告 is obtained by inputting the published pollution data online for an automatic report (it basically relies on the big CCC status).

Anyway, just trying to make some inferences on which specific part of the chain/puzzle is being implicated by the rule change.

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Originally Posted by newyork

Update -- clear as mud though...

The policy is only for Beijing -- link below:

http://www.bjepb.gov.cn/bjepb/323474...740/index.html

While unclear, I am told the implication is any bike imported after March 1, 2014 cannot be plated if it does not have CCC. In addition, CCC will no longer be issued to any vehicle (including motorcycles) with an annual sales volume in Beijing that would be less than 100 units. Apparently, this has nothing to do with the import itself. But since new imports occur after March 1, they would not be able to get a CCC, at the individual level (unless CCC was obtained by the manufacturer).

Separately, there is a rumor that by the end of this year or early next that JingA plates will no longer be transferable. Existing holders would in effect be grandfathered and could buy a new bike under their pre-existing JingA when their current bike exceeds the scrap number of years rule (within six months). All those agents hoarding JingA plates would also be eventually diminished through anti-hoarding enforcement (so not only cannot transfer but also cannot keep and "rent" through agency contracts). The rumor is that because of "pollution" that no one should be within fifth ring with a bike. The rumor further goes that even "grandfathered" JingAs would eventually be eliminated by way of increasing certain environmental standards each year.

Anyone have more on either of these developments to make mud into clarity?

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Well, this rumor is somewhat alarming. I was thinking of ponying up the cash to get a 京A for my bike to increase it's resale value, but hearing this makes me think twice. . .

Update -- Seems the 环评报告 (environmental assessment report) has loosened up recently. Couple of dealers are now saying they can get this for more of their bikes (and thus plate their previously un-plate-able bikes) on a one-by-one basis through a process that takes about two to three months...the pendulum swings back again?

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Originally Posted by newyork

Update -- Seems the 环评报告 (environmental assessment report) has loosened up recently. Couple of dealers are now saying they can get this for more of their bikes (and thus plate their previously un-plate-able bikes) on a one-by-one basis through a process that takes about two to three months...the pendulum swings back again?

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Examples? Are we talking domestically manufactured bikes, imports or both? Curious as to what inventory dealers have up there..?

I am talking strictly imports. For example, Ducati only had the Monster and Diavel cleared through CCC and EAA historically. Now they can do the same for their other bikes one-by-one even though the particular model is not cleared as a class. I heard the same thing about KTM. But again, feels like one of those windows that gets open and then shut again depending on time of year, etc.

China Certification Centre for Automotive Products (CCAP) and China Quality Certification (CQC) are the
agencies to process CCC certification. not sure what you are refereeing to as little and big? The criteria for CCC is pretty much mirrored to CE, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_C...ry_Certificate

Also not related to environmental maters that is separated, CCC is related to safety not environmental impact.