BMW 2011 Prices (in China)

Here is the new 2011 BMW price list for mainland China.

Out-the-door, you will have approximately an additional 10% in taxes and fees (I think the base sales tax is 8.9%, but someone might correct me).

Depending on which city you register your new bike in, your license plate will also add to the On-the-road price.

For example, the current price for a Beijing "A" plate is around 8,000 rmb (plus around 700 in fees). I think the Shanghai plate's market price is currently 54,000 rmb (plus fees).

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Nice and cheap prices.China motorcycle heaven umm yeah?

I've heard rumors that BMW is not having any trouble selling bikes in Beijing & Shanghai.

However, for the price of one GS650 (the lowest priced model in the BMW line) ... I can buy four JH600s ... or at least eight quite respectable & fun bikes like a Galaxy or Qingqi.

Alas, the cost of "status" in China (i.e., parking it in an obvious location for neighbors to see), as opposed to actually using a bike for fun adventures.

Hey, stop complaining! For the price of a single pink Lamborghini you could buy three or four of these!
:riding::riding::riding::riding:

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Originally Posted by Lao Jia Hou

I've heard rumors that BMW is not having any trouble selling bikes in Beijing & Shanghai.

However, for the price of one GS650 (the lowest priced model in the BMW line) ... I can buy four JH600s ... or at least eight quite respectable & fun bikes like a Galaxy or Qingqi.

Alas, the cost of "status" in China (i.e., parking it in an obvious location for neighbors to see), as opposed to actually using a bike for fun adventures.

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http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x...bmw125logo.jpg
Lao,
Just buy some BMW badges and put them on your JH600, most people don't know the difference.

Hello,

I bought 2 BMW F800GS motorcycles last year. The prices for 2011 look about the same as the prices for 2010. Still very high and padded with tax.

I'm not sure if BMW Motorrad is looking for a manufacturing base in China, but if they did the prices on these bikes could be cut in half. That would finally be some good news.

Ryan Pyle
www.mkride.com

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Originally Posted by euphonius

Hey, stop complaining! For the price of a single pink Lamborghini you could buy three or four of these!
:riding::riding::riding::riding:

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In the words of Paul Simon ... "I am just a poor boy" ... hence, my little pinkie collection has to remain in the two-wheeled world.

A scooter for around town (pimped out in Hello Kitty)

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And a KTM for country-riding (with matching attire) ...


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Originally Posted by ryanjpyle

Hello,

I bought 2 BMW F800GS motorcycles last year. The prices for 2011 look about the same as the prices for 2010. Still very high and padded with tax.

I'm not sure if BMW Motorrad is looking for a manufacturing base in China, but if they did the prices on these bikes could be cut in half. That would finally be some good news.

Ryan Pyle
www.mkride.com

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Hi Ryan

I think you are one of the select few BMW owners in China who have actually used the bike for its intended purpose ... good on ya mate (Mais est-ce que vous êtes aussi un Canadien?)

Cheers
Richard

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Originally Posted by Lao Jia Hou

I think you are one of the select few BMW owners in China who have actually used the bike for its intended purpose ...

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From what I've read on other forums, it's got nothing to do with China, seems that a lot of these GS adventure bikes never leave pavement and end up being ridden to Starbucks mostly. :rolleyes1:

Ryan, how did the sponsorship by BMW work out? Did they actually donate the bikes to you, or did you have to purchase, and then sell them, on your own? If I had to spend that much cash, it would be hard torturing them like you guys did on your trip. However, if it were donated to me by BMW, I would have greatly enjoyed beating the snot out of an F800GS. :lol8:

Cheers!
ChinaV

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Originally Posted by barnone

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x...bmw125logo.jpg
Lao,
Just buy some BMW badges and put them on your JH600, most people don't know the difference.

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Great idea ... why bother with expensive pfaelzer mods? I can afford the badges (well, at least on one side ... the side that admiring pedestrians are on)

Ta da!

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Originally Posted by ryanjpyle

Hello,

I bought 2 BMW F800GS motorcycles last year. The prices for 2011 look about the same as the prices for 2010. Still very high and padded with tax.

I'm not sure if BMW Motorrad is looking for a manufacturing base in China, but if they did the prices on these bikes could be cut in half. That would finally be some good news.

Ryan Pyle
www.mkride.com

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I think BMW is already manufacturing certain parts(engines) in China. Not that there planning on selling most of them in China?

If there were a market for premium motorcycles in China, BMW surely would be on top of it -- as they are with the 3 and 5 Series sedans, which are being manufactured up in Shenyang, Liaoning province. I think they may be making the X1 SUV in Shenyang too.

But there's a huge difference between some nouveau riche Chinese business tycoon (skimming public assets through shady deal with party hacks) wanting to show off to his friends by throwing his fat ass and diabetic beer belly behind the wheel of a Chinese-made BMW "import", and the emergence of a truly confident consumer class with the interest and guts to master the art of riding a fine motorcycle. Only the latter will truly awaken a market for big bikes in China, whether for off road or the open road. Yes, it's true that most of the Harleys and BMWs sold today are to newly rich tycoons who already have a bimmer and a Porsche and an ostentatious "villa" in some suburb of Beijing or Shanghai, but that market will never amount to very much. There's no greater proof than BMW itself, which has shown no interest to jump into the Chinese market with both feet; instead, they rely on hobbyist distributors. Interestingly, it's Harley-Davidson that's jumped in with both feet, even though the thousands of miles of excellent expressways to which H-Ds are best suited are for all practical purposes off limits to motorcycles. We hear stories of buyers parking their shiny hogs in their living rooms, like fancy bar fixtures...

Such is the sad state of affairs for avocational motorcycling in China.

sigh.

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Originally Posted by ryanjpyle

Hello,

I bought 2 BMW F800GS motorcycles last year. The prices for 2011 look about the same as the prices for 2010. Still very high and padded with tax.

I'm not sure if BMW Motorrad is looking for a manufacturing base in China, but if they did the prices on these bikes could be cut in half. That would finally be some good news.

Ryan Pyle
www.mkride.com

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To the best of my knowledge, BMW are not having plans to establish a bike manufacturing facility in China. The bikes wouldn't be much cheaper if they would only assemble and the market isn't big enough to source locally. Also, they are well aware of the Permanent, Reckless, Cheating.

This is something I haven't quite figured out.

There does seem to be a market for ultra-premium bikes in China, as is evidenced by the sold-out inventories within weeks of arriving, at both Harley and BMW.

Also, BMW does manufacture several components inside China, including one of its engines.

Harley has just announced that for the first time, it will have a foreign assembly plant (in India). Bike components will be sent from the USA and assembled in India.

Maybe if the BMWs and Harleys were less expensive, they would be less desirable as a status symbol (the effect of luxury pricing). BMW and Harley may very well have a marketing strategy of developing exclusivity in the Chinese market.

I'm a lifetime H.O.G. member (one of the first, actually, due to my age!) and am now registered with HOG in China. Back home in the West, I would get the annual HOG patch sent to me for free - here, I have to pay 300 rmb for it! Goodness! 300 rmb for a little 10 cm cloth patch!

But that is nothing compared to the 17,000 rmb that BMW wants for a riding jacket with a tiny BMW logo. I would have assumed that a huge BMW logo would be applied to assure that everyone knows you are rich.

Yup, it is definitely an exclusive club here. Far far far beyond what my little brain says is reasonable. I can't help thinking it may be an intentional strategy by BMW and Harley.

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Originally Posted by Lao Jia Hou

Harley has just announced that for the first time, it will have a foreign assembly plant (in India). Bike components will be sent from the USA and assembled in India.

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Harleys. Can't stop,Can't go,Can't turn and now Can't be made in the USA. They'll have to call them Indian iron now.

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Originally Posted by Lao Jia Hou

Back home in the West, I would get the annual HOG patch sent to me for free - here, I have to pay 300 rmb for it! Goodness! 300 rmb for a little 10 cm cloth patch!

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Patch made in China by any chance? :icon10:

If you look at the price of the Loncin LX650, which is using a lot of imported parts, you can see that a price reduction via China assembly will only go so far for BMW or Harley. It will most definitely help reduce the 100% luxury goods import tax, but there's still a premium to pay for all those fancy bits being imported. I also don't think these companies are able to move assembly so easily, as they face stiff opposition from their unionised labor forces. I'm sure the board of directors uses catchy phrases like "we're expanding into India" instead of "You're job is being outsourced to China".

Last I checked with the snobby elites here, they don't want luxury brands made in China, they prefer to have their American and German slave labor forces making them.

Cheers!
ChinaV

Lao-Jia-Hou, you should get that avatar pic made up as a sew-on patch please. Maybe gold on red or gold on black for 'in-china' members with chinabikes, and red on black for 'out-of-china' members? I will buy one. Some bike stickers would be good as well, they could have the website address on. Might be a way to support the site costs for CC as well?

Hear, hear! Great suggestion, Jape!

OK, I wouldn't pay 300 rmb for a dragon patch, unless it came with a decoder ring and password, but I might pay 100 RMB! (Don't forget, my other bike is a KLR650 -- the cheapskates' Dakar.)

cheers

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Originally Posted by jape

Lao-Jia-Hou, you should get that avatar pic made up as a sew-on patch please. Maybe gold on red or gold on black for 'in-china' members with chinabikes, and red on black for 'out-of-china' members? I will buy one. Some bike stickers would be good as well, they could have the website address on. Might be a way to support the site costs for CC as well?

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Well, my avatar is actually just a stolen image from the Beijing Dragons MC logo/patch.

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These patches are available in sleeve size (about 4 inches across) and back of vest size (about 12 inches across). Coffee mugs & t-shirts are also available.

I don't own the logo or original artwork, but I do arrange the items to be produced.

Alas, you must be a member of the Beijing Dragons ... and that entails ... well ... pretty much just saying you want to be a member ... and are willing to ride around with us in Beijing. We're an open group. I think there are several members on this board: Sabine, Andy, Jim, Tim, me ... and probably lots of others.

But sure, if you want something, let me know ... I'll ask around if anyone objects (I doubt it).

We'll have a website up and running when I get off my butt. I've registered the beijingdragons.org domain, but it is taking forever to get it finished. Volunteers?

PS: I think a decoder ring is a GREAT idea! Put it up to a chinese character and presto - instant English translation. Mr. Euph ... a task fer ya!

well please compliment the designer, i wanted one for MCM! I will follow this up.

http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...1180#post21180

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Originally Posted by Lao Jia Hou

For example, the current price for a Beijing "A" plate is around 8,000 rmb (plus around 700 in fees). I think the Shanghai plate's market price is currently 54,000 rmb (plus fees).Attachment 3019

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For those of us already with the 沪A plate, we can let out a deep breath.
For those in Shanghai looking to get legal....sorry:

http://www.jfdaily.com/a/2145221.htm
刚需强劲，本月车牌价继续涨
最低中标价47400元 平均中标价47700元
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晚报讯 今天上午，本月私车额度拍卖举行，9000辆的投放额度比上月足足多出了1000张，却依旧难以满足沪上车 主的强劲需求。在25708名车主的参与下，本月竞拍人数和中标价均提前“发威”，竞争异常激烈。最终，本 月私车额度最低中标价为47400元，比上月高出了1100元，平均中标价为47700元，比上月高出30 1元。

Here's the Google Translation:
reporter Zhang Yu Yun
Evening News this morning, private car quota auction be held this month, 9000's put many out of the full amount of the previous month 1000, but still difficult to meet the strong demand for car owners in Shanghai. In the 25,708 owners with the participation of bidders this month, both the number and the price in advance, "get angry", the competition is fierce. Finally, this month, private car line lowest bid 47,400 yuan, 1,100 yuan higher than the previous month, the average bid price was 47,700 yuan, 301 yuan higher than the previous month.

Thanks Motokai for the info, but let me check if I got this right : the current price for Shanghai plates is RMB 47,700 this month, up RMB 300 from last month, right ?

It's strange, one of the Chinese driver in my company told me very recently that the Shanghai plates were around RMB 50,000 this month...

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Thanks Motokai for the info, but let me check if I got this right : the current price for Shanghai plates is RMB 47,700 this month, up RMB 300 from last month, right ? It's strange, one of the Chinese driver in my company told me very recently that the Shanghai plates were around RMB 50,000 this month...

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"Oriental Morning Post, May 22, 2011 reported that Shanghai in May released today the results of the auction private car lines, the lowest closing price of 47,400 yuan, the average transaction price of 47,700 yuan. 900 yuan respectively, up from last month."
http://www.cnkeyword.info/shanghai-i...ction-results/

This article mentions "second-hand car plate prices already surpassed 50,000 yuan after both prices reached the highest since January 2008."
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/nsp/Met...e%2Bcontinues/

Do I understand this about Shanghai correctly?

The government auctions off new car plates (47,700) but if you are not successful, and buy a car plate through the secondary market (private <-> private), it will be > 50,000?

Also, it is my understanding that motorcycle plates are not auctioned, and must be purchased through the secondary market? And because there are fewer of the special bike plates, these are more expensive?

Is that correct?

Here's the deal: Motorcycle plates trade exclusively in the secondary market, while car plates trade in both the secondary and auction markets, because each month the government issues a batch of new car plates. So if there are more car buyers than there are plates auctioned, the secondary market kicks into gear and prices rise. Because motorcycle plates can be transfered to cars (while car plates canNOT be transfered to bikes), bike plates in the secondary market tend to track the current auction price for car plates, with a possible premium.

Again, there are NO (zero, zilch, nada) new motorcycle plates being issued, so the ONLY motorcycle plates available are those being sold off bikes that are being 淘汰'd -- i.e., removed from circulation.

It's not a pretty picture. In effect, the number of plates available for motorcycles is fixed, and presumably decreasing. So prices will always be at least that of the current car auction price, if not higher. So far, there are sufficient numbers of taotai plates coming into the market, so bike plate prices are not skyrocketing. But that could change. Strange as it seems, a bike plate is probably a very good investment right now. I bought mine for 42k a year ago, and now it's pushing 50k. As a motorcyclist, that does not delight me, but as an investor I'm feeling OK.

cheers

Thanks Mr Euph.

For cars, does the SH government auction the same number each month, or does the quantity of new plates issued change from month to month?

Also, is it the same for the "C" bike plates? A fixed number through the secondary market? No new "C" plates for bikes?

Tx.

Dear LJH,

To my knowledge no new bike plates, A or C, have been issued in shanghai for years. I've asked several sources. And because bike plates can be transferred to a car, it's certainly a shrinking resource. Car plates are issued in limited batches every month, and the quantity is determined by some cryptic formula. Last November there was a big batch and the auction price plummeted to ten or fifteen grand, which had the knock-on effect of driving bike plates down in the secondary market -- creating some stress for those of us who paid full freight. Nice lottery win for the few who scored these plates, since the price leapt back over 40k the next month.

As I've said, I'd be delighted to see all the illegal bikes cleared from the streets, while we legal riders finally get some acceptance and respect. Life isn't fair but who ordained that everyone has a right to ride/drive a death trap putting everyone at risk?

Cheers!

Only 4500 rmb! But I don't recognize the model ... F125GS?

http://bj.58.com/danche/6037433667333x.shtml

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Originally Posted by Lao Jia Hou

Only 4500 rmb! But I don't recognize the model ... F125GS?
http://bj.58.com/danche/6037433667333x.shtml

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LOL.
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Ach du lieber Gott! Hier endlich kommt die neue Kinderbimmer! Ausgezeichnet!