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I posted this once before…
The concept is better to me…
ZONTE….
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HAOJIANG
Guangdong TAYO Motorcycle Technology Company LTD.
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The ZT166FML engine is touting some above average output.
13kw @7500 rpm (17.68hp)
17Kw @6500rpm (13.07lb ft)
ZONTE also have generated some very professional parts diagrams.
Typically the engine code offers information as the ZT1(66)FML represents the bore and it would not likely be a 150cc with the same bore as the Suzuki GS200 66×58.2, then considering a Loncin 223cc OHC is 65.5x66.2 also a typical CB200 Type OHC is a 163FML 63.5x62.2.
The ZT166FML is claiming very good power at very low rpm.
ZONTE claims on that Engine...
The engines are designed by ourselves , and we already applied several patents from the national bureau. The main features are as following:
1, Totally new designed cylinder head, cylinder , cylinder head cover, we not only enlarged the cooling area, but also added wind way on the cylinder head. By this way, the cylinder head’s temperature is decreased , and the quantity of NO in exhaust gas is reduced efficiently;
2, The optimal designed in-ex valve system, patented piston, ultra slim, anti-friction piston ring, and ultra light designed crank shaft assembly not only enhances the acceleration performance and power performance , but also makes the fuel burnt more sufficiently;
3, Adopting new main and counter shaft with changed transmission ratio, the start becomes more peacefully, and each shift gets better acceleration ability;
4, Enhanced crankcase , With our new patented techniques of oil spray application inside the crankcase, the temperature is decreased effectively, and the key parts' working life are extended;
5, Using the high magnetic oil-leak bolts. Iron filings can be easily adsorbed. So the engine becomes cleaner, and the use of oil is prolonged.
Nice bike not necessarily my type of ride but the only thing that I dont like about it is the bars. easy enough to swap out
Nice bikes but doesn't start me up.
A few years ago I saw one of the "Zontes" models, not much different from this on the photo above. Everything is fine, but the bike is as large as the average 50 cc motorcycle as they were produced 20 years ago - skinny wheels, forks, tank, seat ...
If I remember correctly, this "Zontes" model here (http://www.sprintscooters.com/supermoto_06_track.htm) costs about 1,100 euro.
All of Zontes models are not of the same dimensions the one in that image is the smallest they offer. But they all do seem to me to be just versions of the typical CB125/150 models offered in Asia.
This model has a 1385mm wheelbase, which they call the ZT200-7A Phantom, which also has a larger more powerful engine.
http://www.zontes.com/ZoomPic/PhantomMid_en01.jpg
While this motorcycles wheelbase is only1280mm, which they call the Panther ZT125-8A and comes with a 125cc engine. The bike in the AD
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These look better. I could buy a bike like this:
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Futuristical style.
Hello Sorry to be late.
I just bought one of those bikes (the 3 pictures at the bottom ;
Zontes Tiger model or as I bought it Revatto Roadster (125 with 156FMI engine).
I bought it for price it was offered and I rode now 1500 km without troubles.
The bar is a problem giving troubles to hands and arms but I wait a new one with different shape.
I find the ration far too short for my use on small roads from home to work.
I am sure It could pull at least one teeth more. I will also get parts.
The main problem is that the engine vibrates incredibly and I love engines too much to use in vibration range. With existing ration speed can not reach 80 km/h even if engine seems to be able to pull a lot more.
I also think fuel/air ratio is wrong and I have to try to improve.
Carb is a copy of Keihin used on 2nd version of CM125, transmission is for the front Honda standard and for the back Suzuki standard.
Beside that, the bike seems quite well made and I hope to ride it long.
Regards.
Fred
That manufacturer has the better designs.
These are a few of them…
HJ125-8B
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HJ125-11
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They put some time into what they do, they even have their own engine designs.
http://www.tayomotor.com/default.aspx
I wonder why you are getting excessive vibration with the balance shaft engines?
I think that they should change the name to Haojiang and offer more models into the UK.
They make some very good standards.
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http://www.zontes.co.uk/
Hello !
Sorry ; The engine I have is 156 FMI without balancing shaft and I rode plenty of bikes any kind ; even single Honda (up to 500cc) and I never saw such vibrations (I am 55 always riding).
I am not in UK (perhaps my profile says that ? ) but in France.
It seems availability of spare parts if needed could be a trouble.
Regards.
Fred
I believe that Haojiangs approach to the market is more professional then others, they typically establish stronger distribution channels then others.
If that is the case then any of the engines would have or should have equal parts and service support. Regardless to if they are an exact copy of a Honda or Suzuki or a propriety TYAN engine.
I am most intrigued with the TYNT line they make, they are rated better.
I apologize for assuming you into the UK, who is distributing the bike in France or don’t you know? .
Hello,
Hao Jiang with the brand Revatto was distributed by Greentech industries and it seems they stopped this activity or at least motorcycles (www.greentech-industries.com/).
Spare parts seem available at (www.toutdechine.com/) and also complete bikes.
In France I do not see any distribution system.
Most of Chineese motorcycles and like are still in a strange situation.
Regards.
Fred
We are working with Tayo for a long times, i think you will be very impressed at next season. Factory under reconstruction now, as they start to prepare a new model line.
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Finally finished. Will be open for orders at September. 250 cc oil-cooled engine, EFI.
That’s interesting Alex, the engine looks like a twin cam?
That bike looks like it is an upgraded version of their Phantom ZT200-7A on their website. it sells for 8180.00 Yuan ($1350.00) in China.
I would like to know more about the engine they are using, what is the manufacturing source and power rating of the 250cc. They claim 17.68hp for the 200cc engine, a twin cam 250cc I would bet it would be rated well over 20hp?
Engine -TYAN , EFI from Delphi . I will know a little bit more after my trip to factory, I still do not have specification yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
Here are some images of the Zonte Phantom, it is dificult to see in the images what engine it is sporting.
It could be a quarter liter twin cam….
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There are no updates on the TYAN website, however they do offer up some numbers on costs per unit to meet CIII Emission Standards within China....as well as some insight into the industry in Jiangmen....the Grand River.
Tiger125 Boasting classic custom style, the Zontes Tiger 125 is the perfect learner bike, with a seat height of 725mm.
Hello and sorry for late use of this thread.
The Zontes/revatto/Hao Jiang bike I use is now close to 7000 km on clock and rides fine.
I use 17x36 ratio replacing the original 15x38. Much better but could pull longer.
The bike is quite confortable even if very short for me or more critical if you want to ride 2 of us.
Just to bring back in mind it is like a tiger/custom model.
Except gears all is original and I look at chain wear.
Regards.
Fred
Hello you all,
I am still riding the Hao-jiang/zontes/Revatto 125 and all Ok (with other bar and much longer ratio (17/36 replacing 15/38). Also add protection on fork and small fairing plus top case.
The bike is now close to 10 000 km and starts to have small problems like irregular operation.
I can deal with but i try to improve and changed the plug from original CPR6E Torch for CR8E from NGK.
Why change type ? It is impossible to find Torch CPR6E or NGK CPR6E in France.
I supposed that this kind of plug is used on most of Chineese made engines like Honda CG clones.
Probably the projected insulator is adapted to this engine and having shorter plug in addition to colder plug make things worse.
Do you know more than me about this ?
Many thanks in advance.
Fred
I have always seen a recommendation for D8EA plugs. I use NGK D8EA, but my bike is a 200cc CG
Hello,
Yes but the D8EA is a 12mm thread while the CPR6E or CR8E are 10mm thread.
I see the thermal index 6 as relatively Hot and the P means the plug is pushed forward in the combustion chamber. All that seems a bit risky for a small displacement engine working at high loads.
I have some trouble to see if the Torch CPR6e is equivalent to a CPR6EA or a CPR6EB on NGK charts.
The fact is that I am surprised to see a plug that seems out of standard (at least in Western europe).
I try and let you know how that works.
Have a good day;
Fred
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/showthread.php?3441
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Cross ref info for engines made by www.tyanmotor.com
http://ku-motor.blogspot.fr/2014/04/ngk.html
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Originally Posted by fredjaw
NGK = 31916-KPH-??? http://vegaauto.com.ua/brands/honda_2380.html
Denso = 319?7-KPH-??? http://www.bike-parts.fr/microfiches...6-KPH-901.html
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CHEAP as peanut in motherland
TAPA (1 of the brand under "TORCH" group) http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=21824868348
Thank you for that information. I am no mechanic, so any new information helps me out! Humanbeing is VERY good at sorting out these Chinese bikes.Quote:
Originally Posted by fredjaw
Hello You all.
Thank you Humanbeing for all info.
You are true, value of such parts in Motherland is actually cheap but how to get it from far-away ?
I never went far in Taobao.
Here NGK plugs cost quite a lot and if you try to buy it in Honda dealers they come like gold.
It seems in Honda here, if you do not give complete serial number of the bike (Honda for sure) they can not get any part even so standard as spark plug.
I try to live another way.
Have a very good day.
Fred
Phantom 250 showing up as a model for 2016 with Polish Brand Junak.
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Hello,
My tiger 125 is now 13000 km on clock and yesterday, I filled 13.5 liter for 583 km. I replaced the Torch with a CR8E and that seems to work OK.
About the 250 above. I looked for on Tayo -HaoJiang web page but they show nothing above 150cc ?
I see Junak 125 in Poland, absolutely identical to my Hao-jiang/Revatto.
Perhaps Junak importer would have spare parts for me.
Good ride for all of you.
Fred