http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/atta...&checkid=3001f
http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/atta...&checkid=a939f
Suzuki, yeah:thumbsup:
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That's a great looking Suzuki!
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Oooohh. What a sight. Now here is something that might make me regret buying the YBR 250. ZMC888 will be pleased with this 250 option from Suzuki. They are due to be made registrable in China, right? I caught a glimpse of a Chinese character on a sheet of paper in one of those photos so that indicates a yes to me.
The engine is it sitting in a box? Was it made in china? What constitutes domestic, a member on motorfans claims it must be 70% domestic.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...qZPTUv9227.jpg
The GW250 is not listed on Suzuki’s global site?
http://www.globalsuzuki.com/motorcycle/index.html
They are obviously manufacturing the bikes…were are they selling them?
MJH, all i know is GW250 is made by Haojie.
But what is Qingqi Suzuki doing? I come across this... (LINK)
http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/atta...&checkid=78cfa
the rumor says base on B-king, sometime in 2012...
That is a B-KING....1340cc not 250cc?
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...uzuki/3100.jpg
No wonder the bike looks much nicer than GW250. OK, showing more than 1 pic of not actual prospect bike is just silly for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
The pictures were taken off a polish online motorcycle magazine, there is no connection to Jinan Qingqi other then the posted text in the thread.
The Haojue is the baby king actually called the GW250, they may sell them in china but if the engine is imported then it will not be as cheap as you may expect.
There is other thread about GW250 at MCM, what Felix says --price more than 30k hard sell against CF650-- make a lot sense, those factory sneak-out pics actually seems bike is closer to launch. But there is very little official news.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
For Qingqi, using that bike-king pics, the OP almost fooled me as if prototype. Clever Bastxrd.
Great to see potentially another bike in the market, and fantastic that someone has the sense to make a 250cc EFI twin, I'd buy if it was under or around the price of the YBR250, but I've always disliked Suzuki for valid personal reasons.
Only time will tell if they are available here. I'm sure that Suzuki are just aiming to take some of the Ninja's market in the west, and building in China will make the bike very competitive on price.
Oh in India the price will probably be 150,000 Rupees which is 22,000 RMB, also puts out 19KW and revs to 11,000 rpm, which is all similar to the Ninja. Also considerably more power than the YBR250.
Wow thats really very nice looking, I like its style, but when they will be launch in the market.
India has import taxes, the Ninja 250R retail for 207,000R
http://www.priceindia.in/bike/bajaj-...ja-250r-price/
The Ninja 250r India price converts to $4,659.00 USD or 30,116 CNY, the US only has a 2% duty so the difference between the US duty and that of India is the price difference reflected in the different real market prices. That is about 14% the difference in price in the US and India and about more or less the tariff difference.
I would say that the price point for the GW250 in India is under or at 30,116 CNY and higher in other markets like Brazil.
If the Ninja gets its engine out of a Kawasaki plant in Japan then it is apple to apple, or closer to that, it actually is about total cost compared to total cost. The Ninja coming out of Thailand…is it 100% Thai made? Is the YBR250 100% Chinese made….those details affect prices. There are other market forces too. They build and sell on margins and seek optimization.
Usually a 100% Indian made bike is a little more expensive than a comparable 100% Chinese made bike. Of course if a bike is imported into India from Thailand it is going to cost more.
Case study: If we take the Hero or Sundiro Honda CBF150, although in India it is slightly different, it sells for 95,000 Rupees (13,000 RMB), in India, but the Sundiro Honda version in China sells for around or just over 10,000 RMB.
Therefore if we get a Haojue or Qingqi Suzuki GW250 and it's 100% made in China, and going by past experience they usually only import Japanese bearings and maybe EFI units, although most likely nothing, Haojue or Qingqi Suzuki could feasibly be able to undercut the Jianshe Yamaha YBR250 significantly if they choose to.
So if your estimate is right and the Indian made Suzuki will sell for 200,000 Rupees (30,000 RMB) in India, it could still likely sell in China for 22,000-28,000 RMB. If what I read is correct and that the projected price in India, because it will be made there is actually 150,000 Rupees (22,000 RMB) then it is possible the Haojue or Qingqi version could feasibly be sold in China for 15,000-22,000 RMB, also remember that Suzuki have a long history of being very price competitive.
Obviously time will tell, and they may not sell the bike in China domestically if demand is high in more profitable markets, or they may push up the price to make more money or prevent 'grey imports'.
More importantly than anything to me is: "will I be able to buy a bike I like with that 19KW water-cooled EFI 250cc twin engine in it for a reasonable price in China sometime soon?"
If this bike does come out in China at a reasonable price then I think I might get one. If the YBR 250 was a twin then I might not have considered it. ZMC888 will get one first and let me know how it rides.
What is the price of these?
http://www.yamaha-motor.com.cn/boat/sc390/
A tad off topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
It is a Yamaha...its a very nice boat, I was just wonder what they sell for in china.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZMC888
No idea, try asking on www.mychinaboato.com !Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
As far as the domestically manufactured motorcycles in India go, the market price, for the most part do not exceed 76,000 Rupee which would be 10,988 Yuan….that would not include the Royal Enfield, but the Hero Honda and Bajaj lines.
The closest to the YBR250 would be the Bajaj Pulsar 220.
The prices vary by region in India and with different tax rates, the most expensive regions may reach $2,000.00 USD but not more then that.
There are also Yamaha Models but none of those are above 150cc and they are priced under the 223 Honda and 220 Bajaj.
I was going to get into Yamaha water crafts and costs and pricing and also were the Volvo Penta engines are manufactured. Things to keep an eye on are 100% Chinese manufactured and expensive, because if people are working for very low wages then the market should be getting goods that are priced affordable, otherwise somebody is getting rich and on the backs of others.
10 guy from CHN motorcycle forum first ride of the bike
http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/view...originator=yes
http://attachments.motorfans.com.cn/...jFB29S4096.jpg
http://attachments.motorfans.com.cn/...xoBgU32735.jpg
the weight of bike reduced to 174Kg.
35w x2 headlights.
IRC tires.
Engine model: Suzuki J507
SOHC
I want one. My wife won't be happy with that, not after I spent 24k on the YBR.
I can barely understand anything I read in that thread; what were they talking about besides it's performance? Will it be sold in China?
Hi Soberpete, the gw250 will sell in China, maybe soon.
The first time a moving gw250 on video, and the exhaust sound like this. I wish it could be more distinctive and louder.
Here's what's gonna happen now...
...ZMC 888 is going to get one of these after they're released; I'll lend him the money if it means speeding up the process.
He's going to run it in and possibly do us the honour of a thread report.
I'm going to lend him the YBR for a few days in exchange for the GW250 and if I really like it then I'm going to work extra hard to save up for one... as well as a house and everything for the wife and baby (about 5 months to go before I'm a dad!).
Hehe, I also want nice things for me too. Since I heard this bike will be around October (not confirm yet) this year, I have switched my attention to her. I would prefer a full fairing sports bike though, but this is one of nicest 250s we can get in China. The downside of engine is SOHC - 2 valves per cylinder, not DOHC as specify previously.
Those guys who first ride the bike come from Jiangmen, GD, somehow organised to visit the HJ factory. It's a really good indication that HJ is serious.
SOHC. So it'll run hotter, louder and not as smoothly as it would with DOHC right?
I'm not too clued up on this. Would it have more of a KW output with a DOHC engine?
Also, td ref, I'm not sure whether you know the answer to this or not: What might the price of the GW250 be around?
I would think it be more expensive then the YBR…
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...ec-gw250-1.jpg
Close to 26hp? Is it a six speed or five?
My concern is pure horsepower and better valve tech. DOHC should have higher output at high rpm. the bike has yet priced. Between 16-25k is speculated by the CHN forum members.Quote:
Originally Posted by soberpete
MJH, one of test rider said it is 6 speed.
It looks like it would be very comfortable ride, 26hp and a six speed, it looks like a very good commuter and it also has very good lines, its definitely not an ugly bike at all.