Zanella

I found this video of some Zanella models, riding around on Chinese motorcycles in what is likely an abandoned Zanella factory in Argentina, just kidding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH6ZSM7NRTU

Here are some images of the Zanella RX350 (Lifeng 350 sport bike), this version is 320cc and delivers 26hp, which is 3 more than the rated number on the manufactures website. They replaced the gauges, and the headlight is now post millennium.


http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...RX-350-001.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...RX-350-002.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...-350-007-a.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...-350-006-a.jpg

It is possible that Shineray is the source for the Zanella RX150

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...0240906260.jpg

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...nella-r003.jpg

To get an idea how ridiculously popular the RX150 is in South America, RX150

Also it shows the power of a recognized brand and model name...

Here is a 1979 Zanella Sapucai
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...nella/1979.jpg

Here is a 2011 Zanella Sapucai
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/2011-125.jpg

These are 125cc bikes, to me they need a 230cc OHC, then they would be fine for selling in the USA. The bike is a Honda CG125 frame and the CB250 (223cc) should bolt right in.

The ZTTR250 ZR

Is the Jinan Qingqi Dual sport frame with a 223cc engine.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...0zr_03_max.jpg
http://cdn-7.psndealer.com/e2/dealer...5846_Black.jpg

it even has the same gauge cluster.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...244439_594.jpg

The RX200 Monaco
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...x200monaco.jpg
Shares its frame with the Loncin Spitzer 150
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...Spitzer150.jpg

They sell for about 12000 pesos or $2,800.00 American.

The Zanella ZTT 200
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...tt_200_max.jpg

is a Lifan GY5
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...N/8_200GY5.jpg

Its interesting what is going on in Argentina…

Here are some other names…

Bajaj and Guerro

Mondial Juki

Motomel La Emilia

Likely more then half of the total sales in Argentina are coming out of China….the biggest distributors are refining and interfacing with the factories better. These distributors are and will be one of the largest influences over the development of the motorcycle manufacturing industry in China.

China is big in Argentina, but also India and South Korea are in the mix…the later are retaining their brand identity in the market the Chinese primarily are not.

The growth in motorcycle exports out of China are reflected in Argentina likely more then in any other single segment of the total global market.

Beta Argentina seems to be partnering with Loncin and also Qingqi, they offer the GS250 Jinan Models but also offer the bored out Loncin version of the GN250...it has 292cc and offers 22hp.

Beta Euro
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...in/Euro350.jpg

Loncin LX-300
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...0-4right-1.jpg

Beta Argentina is offering primarily Chinese models but only has about 1% of the market.

I wonder if Jinan tells Beta that they will also be selling the GS250 series bikes to Mondial?
I see common models across the Argentinean brands. I also see price wars in that and typical flooded market outcomes as a result.

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...dial/GS250.jpg

Mondial is not advertising any of the GS250 Jinan bikes on its website, it has a Rato 250 though.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...LES/RATO/5.jpg
Mondial RD 250 R
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...ATO/rd250r.jpg
selling for about $3,300.00 USD or 14,200 pesos.

Mondial Argentina added the Jinan Qingqi 250 to its line as the VD 250 P, catchy name.
http://img1.mlstatic.com/moto-mondia...897_042012.jpg

Mondial also sells in Turkey as well as Argentina? They share no obvious models?
Argentina may not have trademark laws or they may not respect the laws of other countries on trade-names, I have to wonder since they offer brand names that seem like black sheeps.

Zanella is the Argentinean distributor for Keeway.

http://keeway.com.ar/_img/_moto/rkv-02_4.jpg

Keeway is growing into a international brand, they are also offered in Chile.
They offer an interesting model they call the Superlight 200.
http://0.static.wix.com/media/e720bb...c3183a.jpg_512
Also a respectable dual sport TXM200
http://keeway.com.ar/_img/_moto/txm-02_7.jpg

These above models are being offered from Qianjiang Motors,

Gilera in Argentina, they are offering the Yin Gang YGR as their G1 model.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y.../Gilera/g1.jpg
They also are offering a 200cc adventure style bike they call the Sahel
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...__5FA936_2.jpg
They are also offering the Xingue 400cc as their SMX400
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...olkenp2xl7.jpg



Gilera has 6% of the market

Gilera is also the only company that put the 233cc twin in naked sport bike, they call it the VC-R 250
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...250NEGROM2.jpg
$2,800.00 USD for the VC-R250 or 12,000 pesos

Great sleuthing as usual, MJH! Keep it coming.

It would also be useful to know in detail what Jialing is doing in various regions outside of China. I've noted recently that their website is now available in French, Spanish and Arabic as well as Chinese and English, indicating a strong focus on Francophone Africa and the Middle East as well as Latin America. For reasons you can perhaps surmise from other threads, many of us would love to know where, if anywhere, they are launching the JH600 apart from Brazil.

Best thanks!

Jialings exports shrank (-14%) first half of 2011, so likely not very much.

In the USA you can easily pick up a cheap Chinese Enduro, they sell for about $1,300.00.
I have always thought they could remake one of those to something more interesting.

The Gilera Sahel is just that.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...5FA936_2-1.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/90884242.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/85406698.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/57161207.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/15512165.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/14463029.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...99082_7356.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...__5FA936_2.jpg

More images of the SAHEL
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y..._3093535_n.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y..._3059933_n.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y..._6625889_n.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y..._7174473_n.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y..._5886948_n.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y..._1441149_n.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y..._6313361_n.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y..._8370099_n.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y..._8168345_n.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y..._8232833_n.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y..._2666750_n.jpg

Gilera also sells the Jincheng copy…cough cough of a BMW R1200 C


Gilera offers the version of the Jincheng as its YI-275, They should have named it the YTF-275
http://oi48.tinypic.com/2czoizq.jpg

BMW R1200-C
http://www.motosemotion.com/motos/moto125_DSC02621.JPG
YI-275
http://www.alamaula.com/img/timthumb...pg&w=650&h=412

And Jincheng.... excuse me - Gilera, looks more rafined than Beemer. :lol8:


Turkish brand Mondial (not associated with the eponymous Italian company) sells this bike labeled 250 MCT. Spoked wheels, IMO, make this bike more charming.

http://montieandme.files.wordpress.c...8/pic_1386.jpg

They do not have those listed on either of the Mondial websites, they may have stopped selling those? They have Honda twin versions they sell through the Argentinean Mondial that are more like a Honda Rebel.
They call them an HD 254 A
http://www.mondial-moto.com/


The original Italian Mondial supposedly is owned by Bimoto and today only sells a single sport bike, the Piega 1000 that shares and engine with the Honda VTR-1000
Piega 1000
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/new/2317164.jpg
VTR-1000
http://www3.suzuki.co.jp/bikeshop_da...2/19618_L.jpeg

They may share an engine, that Mondial and the Honda, but they don't seem to share an exhaust. WTF?

It is in the tail section.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P_PZsqZkU8

Ass warmer!

Zanella added a new model to its moto line for 2013, it is their RZ25 R
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...2d19e9e694.jpg
The RZ25 R sits under their RX250/LONCIN Jeda 250 and RX350 / Lifeng NAC25 with the 320cc engine. It’s the familiar XGJAO copy of a Yamaha R15
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...anella/250.jpg
The SOKON XJGAO and its manufacturers siblings.

Maybe you have not noticed, but "Zanella" in its low-end segment has several interesting models with, so to speak, "tubular design" - there are three of cargo tricycles called "Tri Cargo", utilitarian step-through "Delivery" and variation on a "Sachs Mad Ass" theme - "Z Cup", all with horizontal engines.

I did not notice those, they are new also, they offer allot of models sourced from what seems like allot of different manufacturers.


What is odd to me is that Zanella imports models from SOKON XGJAO and so does MOTOMEL its big competitor.


Their New Fire http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RmfQGw_PAm...0/100_1528.jpg moped is reminiscent of their Bambina,https://fotos.arcar.org/vehiculos/11...Bambina-67.jpg a model from their past.

Actually I see now that the New Fire is also a model they have made before.

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Originally Posted by MJH

What is odd to me is that Zanella imports models from SOKON XGJAO and so does MOTOMEL its big competitor.

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I think it's the choice of the importer. The Same happens in the UK with SOKON XGJAO supplying to both LS IMPORTS (Learner Legal) and LLEXETER LTD (Lexmoto).

I think that having the brand name of the factory will be supported by the Chinese factories as they hope to make their own names more well known internationally.

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Originally Posted by Frozuki

I think that having the brand name of the factory will be supported by the Chinese factories as they hope to make their own names more well known internationally.

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My Bad! that was referencing the Hamachi thread!

Importer is kind of a misnomer, people set up businesses that basically buy out of the factory the bigger names actually have some influence over the factory. The factories offer OEM services but are limited to what they already manufacture. To get an exclusive model you could, but the results may make your special build cost much more and in that make it not competitive against the mass produced models.


The production cost fall with larger numbers, actually the total cost goes up per unit however the fixed costs fall.


Not to oversimplify most of it is basically linear,
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...7bmztS1pG9bFIw


To understand this better the first unit cost allot, it bears all the total cost of research and development. Then once production begins each unit made pays back part of that and with each unit the fixed cost of R and D eventually is fully recovered, that being if it has a long run and demand does not fall off


http://www.tutorsbiz.com/microeconom...cost-curve.PNG
The average fixed cost falls with high production numbers, it is why prices are lower for models that everyone sells. Then even if coming out of different factories, that cost savings occurs in other costs, for instance the shared component that one supplier makes for everyone that makes that model. The Chinese Motorcycle Industry is not conducive to developing new models. It actually by default makes standards that everyone is economically drawn into producing.


Marketing is also a cost not advertising at all hurts, however too much can also hurt if it is expensive and ineffective.
The importers/distributors are primarily buying out of the same pool, very few if any sell something totally unique and often very few have any exclusive rights within any market.