New SkyTeam ST250 V-Raptor owner

Hello,
My name is Krasi and I'm exotic fetishist :lol8::lol8::lol8:


After some months of lurking around your nice forum, it's time to introduce myself properly, albeit verbosely. The reason I came across here was my quest for information about Puzey XTR-4. They still don't have CE certification though, so in the mean time my wife benefited from the situation. Plus, I found myself digging through your rider reports and those in AdvRider. I was especially impressed my this thread over there:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201349

Just little bit of background: I'm 34 and live in Bulgaria, Eastern Europe. Yeah, baby, former communist :mwink: I currently posses two "big" bikes, both of which highly exotic:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u...0/IMAG0139.jpg

(For sale! :icon10:)

and GasGas EC300, 2-stroke:

http://media.snimka.bg/0818/007891696.jpg

The GasGas looked like that when I bought it brand new a few years ago. Nowadays it's quite bumped, but it'll retire with me, so it doesn't matter much.

Anyway, last week I received my SkyTeam (cool name, ha? Especially for an airline alliance), model ST250-2 V-Raptor. The irony is that my big road bike is also a Raptor model, but Cagiva, and it's 1000cc - as much as four of the new bike :)
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-1...6/IMG_1039.JPG

Initially I asked SkyTeam themselves who gave me a price of $1450 EXW (at least this was the price a few weeks ago). After calculating shipment, import taxes, VAT, custom clearance, etc, I decided to buy it from the English importer - http://www.northbridgebikes.co.uk/index.html as the final price would have been about the same. I was in contact with Colin there who helped me tremendously and I'm expressing deep gratitude for his service.

Well, here is the "beast", fully assembled and running:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-0...0/IMG_1096.JPG
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-X...6/IMG_1097.JPG
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-K...6/IMG_1098.JPG
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-K...6/IMG_1099.JPG
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-s...6/IMG_1100.JPG
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9...6/IMG_1101.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-A...6/IMG_1102.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7...6/IMG_1103.JPG

I think the engine is Loncin. You may correct me on that as I still have hard time remembering who were the main two or three engine manufacturers in China. I'm sure you know perfectly well the TT data of the bike, better than the factory themselves ;)

All in all, I'm pleasantly surprised by what I received. I have to admit I was prepared for worse. The bike came properly packaged, in a steel crate:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-M...6/IMG_1035.JPG
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-J...6/IMG_1037.JPG
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-c...6/IMG_1038.JPG

Tires are impressive, to say the least. Rear one is 180mm wide, which is as much of that of the big Raptor. Front is 130mm.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-b...6/IMG_1040.JPG

Like I said, I was prepared to complete the manufacturing of the bike:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-T...6/IMG_1044.JPG

Tens of stainless nuts and bolts to replace the OEM ones:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-W...6/IMG_1045.JPG
Actually they were pretty much rendered useless. I didn't come across a single loose nut or bolt. Plus, all nuts are with a metal unwinding protector (whatever it's name is). Not be a complete waste, I still changed some, like on the handle-bar clamp, pillion pegs, seat, etc. I guess, only time will tell if the OEM will get lost from the vibrations. Oddly, I couldn't loose the two bolts holding the from brake caliper to the left fork. Tried with a 1/4" wrench and a o-shaped spanner. I guess somebody was very enthusiastic with the pneumatic wrench...

There was grease like on a "real" bike, which was a nice surprise:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6...6/IMG_1050.JPG
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-y...6/IMG_1104.JPG
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-d...6/IMG_1055.JPG

Without claiming to know much about welds (so much for my engineering degree!) these seem alright to me:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-p...6/IMG_1052.JPG
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-d...6/IMG_1055.JPG

Since I was prepared, I changed fork oil. There was about 150ml of oil in each fork, which seemed not enough to me. I consulted with a local suspension specialist, who also advised me to put more - till the top end of the spring with fork fully compressed. So I did - it came to about 250ml in each fork. "Preload" spring bushings are about 1/3 of the springs themselves. And the springs are progressive, believe it or not:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-s...6/IMG_1084.JPG

I suppose these are some scooter/moped forks. I haven't measured their diameter, but it can't be more that 30-35mm. Front axle goes directly into a thread on the left fork, which was new for me, but probably is normal for such bikes:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Q...6/IMG_1086.JPG

"Pre-flight" checks included also valve clearance adjustment. Valves were tight, as I supposed by reading around the Net. During the check I came across the first major "design" flaw - in order to take out the cap for the intake valve, one must loosen and wiggle the top engine mount. Not a big deal, only three bolts with nuts:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-t...6/IMG_1087.JPG

Another shortcoming is that the oil stick, a.k.a. filler cap is tucked in a dogs arse, like we say round my part of the world, and getting it in and out is inconvenient, to say the least:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-3...6/IMG_1088.JPG
Oddly enough, apart from the dip stick, there is also an oil level checking window on the right side of the engine (which I haven't photographed). I guess there is no way you can omit checking the oil level :deal:

Battery arrived dry. The acid electrolyte was in a separate container, which gets shoved (hehe) onto the battery and the fluid bubbles into it. Probably this is standard setup, but it was new for me:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-f...6/IMG_1092.JPG

Electrics also seem "like real":
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-n...6/IMG_1095.JPG
Everything is tight, tucked and worked the first time. Only the rear lights connectors under the rear fender seemed not water-proofed enough, so I winded some insulation around them.

From what I've read, I'm prepared to have to change rear sprocket and chain after not much mileage:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-o...6/IMG_1108.JPG

Rear brake caliper is with two pistons, which is also like "on a real bike" :naughty::
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_...6/IMG_1107.JPG

Initially I thought they managed to use the same caliper as the the front one, but, the heck, they are different:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-O...6/IMG_1109.JPG

The speedometer reminds me of the ones we used to have 20-25 years ago on some East-German-made small bikes, called Simson. Ah, sweet memories... In the crate, the odometer indicated 900 meters:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_...6/IMG_1032.JPG

Indication lights icons are shifted one position to the right, but at least they are only three so there couldn't be much confusion:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-i...6/IMG_1110.JPG

Carburetor is Teknin or something like that. I'm sure you know more about it. "Standard of Japan" stamp, really brings a smile:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-z...6/IMG_1116.JPG
Model is stamped as PZ30, which I hope means it's 30mm. Am I right? Any advice on jetting settings about it, is more than welcome. Especially since the temperature is about 5-10 degrees Celcius around here and I think the engine runs on the lean side. Also, there are some hot air and case vent hoses around it, which I suppose I related to meeting the eco norms. If that's the case, I'd really like to simplify the system :riding:

One other flaw that showed up is that the right-hand tank sticker started to peel off:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-g...6/IMG_1113.JPG
Why on Earth did they have to use such 3-D stickers instead of regular PVC foil is beyond me. I'll try to stick it back, but if I fail, I see some weight reduction in the near future. I also noticed that the coating on the exhaust, close to the cylinder, started to crack and chip. Thanks God it's not a chopper :)

I expected the fuel line to be of the vacuum type (you know, thin and transparent), but this one seems genuine, at least visibly:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7...6/IMG_1106.JPG


I think these are all the pictures I made. I hope you like them. I also changed the brake fluid and the engine oil, before even starting it for the first time. There was some "metallic" particles in it, but AFAK it's normal. I bought myself a 5-liter bottle so I'll see to change it quite often, especially during the break-in. Speaking of breaking-in, the manual says to be gentle during the first day or first 25km :goodtime:

I guess, that would be enough introduction. It turned out quite long, but I hope you like it. I'll be expecting your advice on everything about my (OK, my wife's!) new ride.

nice bikes Krasi, and what better a country to ride in.
its nice to read someone praising chinese build quality once in a while

Kennon

nice bike and also nice job

tell us about the performance and specially tires !!!

it looks like the bike is modified for beach and sand ....

It is a replica of a Suzuki Van Van.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...AN_RV125_8.jpg


About the welds…..


“Evaluation of weld characteristics includes the size of the weld and the presence of discontinuities. The size of a weld can be extremely important, as it often correlates directly to strength and associated performance. Undersized welds may not withstand stresses applied during service, and oversized welds can produce stress concentrations or contribute to the potential for distortion of a welded component.

Uncovering weld discontinuities also is important because imperfections within or adjacent the weld, depending on their size or location, may prevent the weld from meeting its intended function. When discontinuities are an unacceptable size or in an unacceptable location, they are called welding defects, and they can cause premature weld failure by reducing strength or producing stress concentrations within the welded component.”

Source: Fabrication and Manufacturing Association

As for the engine, it looks like they dropped the OHV they previously offered and have switched to an OHC, the code on the engine will offer the manufacturer. The first two characters, a Loncin CB250 (223cc) would have LC166MM stamped on its crankcase.

Keihin had 20% share in Deni http://www.dekni.com/

People take off the SAI all the time, but without removing the catalytic element down stream, that being the restricted exhaust the results can be problematic.

The SAI Secondary Air Intake consists of a reed valve that operates off vacuum from the carburetor, it opens and closes allowing small amounts of oxygen to enter the exhaust chamber, it perpetuates the burning of hydrocarbons.

If the SAI is removed then all the unspent hydrocarbons have to pass through the catalytic element in the muffler.

If you then increase the fuel in the mixture then it will increase the amount of hydrocarbons that collect on the catalysts.

As time goes eventually it will be or could become more and more restrictive and could even cause carbon deposits on the exhaust valve itself.

Unless you are going to remove the exhaust and replace it with a dirt bike muffler your not going to get any noticeable improvements in throttle response. Only dirt bike mufflers do not have a catalytic element or race mufflers, both are available for off road use.

I said it before and it is worth repeating the SAI is integrated and removing it requires consideration to the entire circuit.

Thanks for the welcoming.

Indeed it's Suzuki VanVan replica. This is even how it's advertised in UK. Only yesterday I realized that Suzuki never imported VanVan in the US for example, and that there was a 200cc version of it. I've only come across the 125cc. Hyosung also offers such type of bike, but it's only 125cc - http://www.hyosung.co.uk/detail.php?id=13 and it resembles to Yamaha TW. Plus mine is with a disk rear brake :D:D:D

The engine is indeed OHC, but strangely the camshaft is held in place only by the head cover and not with bolts and shells to the head itself (ask me how I know this!) . And it has roller bearings, which are encapsulated :D I was meaning to check it's number, but work and other issues keep me away from the garage these days.

Thanks, for the in-depth info on the SAI, MJH. There is no way the owner of the bike, a.k.a. my wife, would let me put an offroad muffler on it. If it was mine, I would have chopped it open straight away, but she likes it quiet like it is now. I'll just play a little with the jets if they are not too peculiar because now it doesn't tick-over properly when cold, even with the choke on.

Nima, I can't really comment the performance yet, once because I haven't pushed it yet - it's quite cold outside, and it's still breaking in, and twice, because I don't have a benchmark to compare it with. For now I can say I'm satisfied how it accelerates on 3rd and 4th gear up to 80-100km/h (50-60mi/h). The vibrations are quite noticeable, though. As for tires, I think they'll last for ages considering the "massive" power and weight they need to handle and put to the tarmac. I don't think this bike will see much dirt in it's life with us, despite being designed to do so.

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Originally Posted by Krasi

Thanks for the welcoming.


The engine is indeed OHC, but strangely the camshaft is held in place only by the head cover and not with bolts and shells to the head itself (ask me how I know this!) . And it has roller bearings, which are encapsulated :D

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where are these roller bearing ? u mean the camshaft rolls over roller bearings or it has been fixed between simple bearing on it's both heads ?

Sorry, my bad. The bearings are ball, not roller, i.e. the most common bearing found around.

The camshaft has two of these bearings on both ends. Actually, one of them is not at the end, but just behind the cam-chain sprocket. At least this is what I saw by lifting the head cover a little, as I couldn't remove it completely without dropping the engine from the frame at least a little.

Plus, when you untighten the bolts of the cover the cam-chain pulls one end of the shaft, which rises the other and it's somewhat tricky to put it back together while everything is on the frame. I hope I wouldn't have to do that (dis)assembly again for some years :D

I think it's similar to this, the engine cover holds the camshaft and the top end together.

Attachment 5825

Cheers!
ChinaV

Yep, exactly like that. I admit I haven't seen this before. Apparently haven't opened enough engines in my life yet :)

Just looked at the engine plate this morning and it has 166FMM on it. Not sure what makes that engine... Jialing?

Apparently a mixture of offdays, bad weather and Internet access is not the best one can experience. Hoovering around the virtual reality, I came across a thread called "Pooratech" ( :lol8: :bowdown::goodtime:for the title ) in a South-African forum (tell me about it!) - http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/inde...&topic=12116.0

So, reading there I was inspired to build myself a toolbox for the new toy. I may not be riding, but can do lots of dumb things.

I got myself a PVC pipe from the local hardware store:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-j...6/IMG_1193.JPG

2 caps (apparently this is how they are called) and a drawer lock:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-U...6/IMG_1192.JPG

One afternoon of cutting, drilling, swearing, scratching my head, bum, crotch, and voila:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-m...6/IMG_1199.JPG https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-z...6/IMG_1198.JPG https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-V...6/IMG_1197.JPG https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e...6/IMG_1200.JPG

The masterpiece is 450mm long and 125mm in diameter (that's about 18x4.5 inches for our imperial viewers), which turned out quite big:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Z...6/IMG_1202.JPG https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-O...6/IMG_1203.JPG
If it turns out that these sticking bolts get in the way, I'll swap them with rivets.

The "cool" lock:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3...6/IMG_1194.JPG https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-X...6/IMG_1195.JPG https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-d...6/IMG_1196.JPG

The official version for the insulation band is that it's there to improve water tightness, but the cruel truth is that I put it to cover the dodgy cut I made:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-k...6/IMG_1204.JPG

Well this is for now. I made it that far.

Now I'm contemplating on the next creation - cheap and simple pannier racks... I hope I won't mess up the nice bike until spring time (my wife hopes!).

Well, I'm still off work and outside it still is like that
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-m...k/IMG_1238.JPG

so I continue with my nonsense creations.

I made my self a DYI chain oiler. I've been making such basically for all my bikes using gardening taps and urinary tubes - local pharmacists are always looking strange at me :) Now, I decided to go the route, suggested by this fella:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xg1bOcV3rI

The "tank" is actually brake fluid container from Lada (the most popular Russian car brand, for our distant readers):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-W...k/IMG_1220.JPG

The personal touch I threw in, comes in the form of a fuel cut-off valve, which is very widely used around here as part of car LPG conversion kits:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-W...k/IMG_1231.JPG

The "holder" role of the tube to the swingarm is performed by a shoe-polishing sponge box:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-y...k/IMG_1221.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-x...k/IMG_1235.JPG

The container is on the right-hand side of the frame, while the valve and tap are bolted on the front of the air box:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-W...k/IMG_1233.JPG
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2...k/IMG_1234.JPG
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-l...k/IMG_1237.JPG

Valve power supply I took from the positive pole of the rear brake switch, because it was most easily accessible, so now when I turn the ignition on, it opens up.

On a side stand, in the cold garage it works:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-W...k/IMG_1241.JPG

When the weather outside becomes more rideable I'll check it in real life conditions.

Hi Krasi,,,This bike is available in the uk,I particularly like the colour of yours,,,I love your modifications,especially the chain oiler.I would love to go one better and fit a chaincase from a old MZ250,that way the chain would last for ever (ok not ever but longer),,,is the seat comfortable? Actually I think it would make a great chopper,,,have a thin 19in rim put on the front with longer tubes and it would look the business,,,all the best

Hey, lipsee. I bought the bike from UK - Northbridge Bikes in Bristol :) Colin there is very helpful chap.

Ah, MZs... My father had a MZ ETZ151, which I learned to ride on some 15 years ago. Nowadays I'm growing a soft spot for them more and more. We still have plenty of these around in small towns and villages, so I'll take a look if I can really fit a chaincase from one of them.

I don't like choppers at all. At least not yet :D I haven't been able to ride it much yet, but as far as I can tell seat is OK. The bike is small and slick enough so that I could easily slide forward and backward on the seat which is quite different in width on both places. That way my bum rests on different points and I can go without stopping.

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Hey, lipsee. I bought the bike from UK - Northbridge Bikes in Bristol :) Colin there is very helpful chap.

Ah, MZs... My father had a MZ ETZ151, which I learned to ride on some 15 years ago. Nowadays I'm growing a soft spot for them more and more. We still have plenty of these around in small towns and villages, so I'll take a look if I can really fit a chaincase from one of them.

I don't like choppers at all. At least not yet :D I haven't been able to ride it much yet, but as far as I can tell seat is OK. The bike is small and slick enough so that I could easily slide forward and backward on the seat which is quite different in width on both places. That way my bum rests on different points and I can go without stopping.

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Thanks for the prompt reply,,,Northbridge is where I saw it also...Whats the fit and finish like? the price seems pretty good,I bought a Bashan 250(actually 233cc) a couple of years ago (but got stolen),it cost me £1299. Regarding lubing the chain,,it a good idea ,but very messy ,but with a chain case,lubrication and protection all in one,,its the way to go.I do,nt know why manufacturers do not at least offer a chain case as an option,,in the past they use to....I had one fitted to my old XS650 and it was magic the chain lasted ages...The seat does look ok ,,but I am sensitive to a hard seat (I have a skinny bum,some call it pert!!!!) Can I ask whats stopping you riding it? surely not abit of cold weather !!!! Happy New Year

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Thanks for the prompt reply,,,Northbridge is where I saw it also...Whats the fit and finish like? the price seems pretty good,I bought a Bashan 250(actually 233cc) a couple of years ago (but got stolen),it cost me £1299. Regarding lubing the chain,,it a good idea ,but very messy ,but with a chain case,lubrication and protection all in one,,its the way to go.I do,nt know why manufacturers do not at least offer a chain case as an option,,in the past they use to....I had one fitted to my old XS650 and it was magic the chain lasted ages...The seat does look ok ,,but I am sensitive to a hard seat (I have a skinny bum,some call it pert!!!!) Can I ask whats stopping you riding it? surely not abit of cold weather !!!! Happy New Year

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In my opening post I've mentioned that I was pleasantly surprised by the fit and finish - I was prepared for worse. Especially since I never saw or touched the bike prior to purchase. I'm sure that in the long run some of the details will deteriorate quickly - the "chrome" bits are prime candidates for that, like I've mentioned earlier. As suspected it's running on the lean side, so I've got to procure some jets to fool around until it warms up in the spring. Apart from that nothing has broken or fallen off yet.

The seat is definitely not hard, and that's not comparing it to a competition off-road bike seat. I'd have even preferred if the foam was little more dense.

I'm not riding it because the first picture above is made yesterday in front of my garage door. And today we got another 2 inches of the damn white shit... At least I have a rear wheel drive car to make fun of the weather conditions.

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Originally Posted by MJH

People take off the SAI all the time, but without removing the catalytic element down stream, that being the restricted exhaust the results can be problematic.

The SAI Secondary Air Intake consists of a reed valve that operates off vacuum from the carburetor, it opens and closes allowing small amounts of oxygen to enter the exhaust chamber, it perpetuates the burning of hydrocarbons.

If the SAI is removed then all the unspent hydrocarbons have to pass through the catalytic element in the muffler.

If you then increase the fuel in the mixture then it will increase the amount of hydrocarbons that collect on the catalysts.

As time goes eventually it will be or could become more and more restrictive and could even cause carbon deposits on the exhaust valve itself.

Unless you are going to remove the exhaust and replace it with a dirt bike muffler your not going to get any noticeable improvements in throttle response. Only dirt bike mufflers do not have a catalytic element or race mufflers, both are available for off road use.

I said it before and it is worth repeating the SAI is integrated and removing it requires consideration to the entire circuit.

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Noted!! Thanks for the info.

Any new updates on your Skyteam Krasi?

Kennon

Not really. It's done only 3500km and the only problem I can think of was a loose bolt on the rear sprocket. We still have the winter around so, I'm yet to ride it this year though...

Glad to read your bike is doing well. I tried to convince Skyteam USA (not directly a subsidiary of Skyteam, but rather an authorized importer) to bring these bikes to the US, but they said they have no plans to. However, they are not an exclusive Skyteam distributor as others sell some of Skyteam's products here inthe US, so I need to convince someone to import them!

Well, initially I got in contact with Skyteam themselves to send me one bike from the factory, but then discovered the UK importer. Pricewise the two "offers" were almost identical when I calculated transport and import fees from China, so I decided to get mine from UK.

So, if you'll be able to register it, I suggest you explore the factory option too.

Krasimir, just for curiosity's sake: before purchase, did you contact guys from Germany who sell Sky Team bikes? I think they had lower prices than UK importer.

About the "factory option" - you contacted them and they were willing to sell you a single motorcycle?

No, I haven't. Didn't know they exist :icon10:

Yes. Factory sent me a FOB price (as far as I remember) for one bike, and I contacted a local transport company to ship the crate from the Chinese harbour to my town. And I did take into account import fees and VAT to get the final, "on the road" price. (Thank goodness,) The whole operation is not "brain surgery" complex, actually.

Yes, a few years ago I saw a company from Germany that sold a V-Raptors. I think they had somewhat better prices than UK dealer.

I would like to find seller in China who can sold me some simple moped, so I could conntact some local shipping company an use their cargo consolidation service to get this moped here, to be able to brag to friends, that I get two-wheeler twice cheaper than what it costs at the dealership. :lol8:


There are two problems (in fact, one and a half): to find someone in China who'd sold me the bike, and other are our's customs authorities - they are complicated and ... I do not find a word that would describe them better and not to offend them.

Here is link for a German distributor http://www.german-mini-biker.de/
But they do not sell the V-raptor or dual sports, only the minis and the Dream/ACE.

I would like to see Sacin make a line of bikes replicating the Honda SL series dual sports.
They could and they could make them up to 223cc versions, since there are no real suitable twins that Honda used for the line they could just use the existing singles in production.

They could also do a replication of the early model CB models.
http://www.cyclechaos.com/images/d/d9/Cb125-5.jpg

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Yes, a few years ago I saw a company from Germany that sold a V-Raptors. I think they had somewhat better prices than UK dealer.

I would like to find seller in China who can sold me some simple moped, so I could conntact some local shipping company an use their cargo consolidation service to get this moped here, to be able to brag to friends, that I get two-wheeler twice cheaper than what it costs at the dealership. :lol8:


There are two problems (in fact, one and a half): to find someone in China who'd sold me the bike, and other are our's customs authorities - they are complicated and ... I do not find a word that would describe them better and not to offend them.

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Well, the forwarder I contacted handles the actual custom clearance for me (for I fee, I guess), which is standard practice around here.

As soon as I see myself with some spare cash, I'm totally getting one of those 125cc, monkey/mini bikes. I'll ruin all "street racers" at the city lights around town!

"Spare cash"!? What, you were moved from the Balkans?

"Spare cash"... You joker! :lol8:

I think I would for such endeavor, hire some serious and trusted people, such as, for example Austrian Gebuder Weiss. A serious company with good prices; I recently heard that they at the moment offer transport Ningbo-Belgrade for 70 Euros per cubic meter.

Dreams are still free, or not?

70 euro/m3 sounds like pretty good price to me.