Micantech - New Suspension System

A week ago, I saw a clip on Youtube with more than non-informative title - "New Chinese Motorcycle"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sK3lVJEkos

Google has found a manufacturer's (also more than non-informative) website - http://micantech.com/en/home.asp

A further search gave some results. A few photos and some information I found here: http://www.motorcycle.in.th/forum/vi...showtopic=2967 and http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/t_17254666.htm

Somewhere I found this description:

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FEATURE AND ADVANTAGES OF THE FRONT END SYSTEM

A rational structure.
1. The front wheel is joined to the chassis on 2 points.
2. On a conventional front fork motorcycle, the wheel is joined to the chassis by only 1 point.
3. The front wheel links is a deformable element.
4. The actions on the wheel is transmitted to the shock by the upper triangle and the lower triangle thru a linkage.
5. 3 points which are far enough from each other.
6. Better safety compared to a telescopic fork.
7. Trunk on the fuel tank.
8. Single/double seat adjustable.
9. European Quality.

Which advantages in comparison with a telescopic front fork?
1) A better distribution of stress to the frame.
2) A good rigour of guiding.
3) No change of wheelbase under braking or bumping. ( No shimmy).
4) Suspension and steering are totally independent.
5) The motorcycle can steer easily under hard braking and heavy weight.
6) On the fully adjustable model, you can easily change the rake, the trail, the wheelbase, the trim… etc,independantly and without any change of parts.
7) The double triangle rigidity allow the motorcycle to have an incredible braking power.
8) The braking distances are reduced of 50%.

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As you can see, on some photos this bike is branded as Su(c)kida. On their website ( http://www.sukidacycle.com/Enhtml/index.html ), there is no mention of this model. Does anyone know anything more about this motorcycle?

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here are some more images of the M2 (not a Buell)
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...9d3be371_o.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...c21e2868_o.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...010c0830_o.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...76acfa1e_o.jpg
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Jincheng?

No.
Jinc heng was supposed to assembly the engine as OEM but they has been unable to follow the quality standard of Micantech.
Finally Micantech decided to assembly the engines by themselves.
And the result is here.
Lot of chinese manufacturers make announcement of 11Kw or 15 Hp but, for me 15Hp (or 11 Kw) it's 130 Km/h. NOT LESS
If your 125cc is 110 or 120 Km/h, this is not 15Hp
And don't speak about aerodynamics. At this kind of speed aerodynamich has only low influence.
This is just litterature.
An other web site about the M2:
http://www.globalsources.com/gsol/I/...1053158980.htm
Gazzzzzzzz!

Attachment 8484After testing of this bike, the feeling is incredible.
I have more than 40 years motorcycle riding experience, I have ridden almost all motorcycle major brands of this world and when I rode this bike, I got totally different feeling.

1) When you are cornering, you don't feel the front separated from the back, you feel 1 piece.

2) When you are cornering and braking at the same time, there is no reaction from the bike.



3) The front brake is a floating disk over sized and when you block the front wheel, the bike continue going straight and don't fall down as a bike with front fork.
I believe this bike can be a very good racer.

4) The engine take 13.000 RPM. Definitively this is not a chinese engine.

Is there somebody else having try this bike?
:clap::clap::taz::taz:
What's your opinion?

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Originally Posted by markintosh

Attachment 8484After testing of this bike, the feeling is incredible.
I have more than 40 years motorcycle riding experience, I have ridden almost all motorcycle major brands of this world and when I rode this bike, I got totally different feeling.

1) When you are cornering, you don't feel the front separated from the back, you feel 1 piece.

2) When you are cornering and braking at the same time, there is no reaction from the bike.



3) The front brake is a floating disk over sized and when you block the front wheel, the bike continue going straight and don't fall down as a bike with front fork.
I believe this bike can be a very good racer.

4) The engine take 13.000 RPM. Definitively this is not a chinese engine.

Is there somebody else having try this bike?
:clap::clap::taz::taz:
What's your opinion?

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Terrific

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Originally Posted by markintosh

Is there somebody else having try this bike?
:clap::clap::taz::taz:
What's your opinion?

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Originally Posted by markintosh

Terrific

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Do you talk to yourself? :lol8:

No, seriously. I would like for this bike, along with the suspension system and Screamer engine, to become a mass product.

Do you have any contact with people from Micantech or with Mr. Marqueton?

Here is their website,
http://www.micantech.com/en/home.asp


They may have some engineering and racing experience, but they are not very good at marketing are they, the video is good though.


The website claims 170 European dealerships? Is the motorcycle available at the retail level, because if it is, it is not easy to find.

They lack what is lacking in the Chinese motorcycle industry in general, process engineering. Bringing a high quality product to mass production, requires process control at all levels. It cannot come out of bubbles in a research lab or within a race team. Without a process to bring it to the market in volume and with the high quality, it looses an opportunity in relative economy of scale, in another word affordability, it become a one off that cost too much, what is the suggested market price of the vehicle?

:bs: IMHO

http://www.carbibles.com/suspension_bible_bikes.html

:naughty:Do you have any contact with people from Micantech or with Mr. Marqueton?

Yes, but, look like MJH is much closer than me with the company.
He even know what is missing in the company.

Can-we know more?

The link with the suspension website is realy good.
Thanks

Just something to say about the BMW telelever:
The stress of the suspension is going directly to the steering.

The ones who have already driven a BMW know what I'm speaking about.

Cheers

Yeah I know what is missing it is called sales.

I am wrong they actually have five million in sales annually, according to their profile on Global Source. They even export to “Australasia”
http://micantech.manufacturer.global...anyProfile.htm

The engine could be a copy of the 125cc Hyosung DOHC oil cooled 125cc. There is also the once MZ RT125cc engine?

Is it new engine?

Young people like the more powerful 125cc engines, a 150cc version with 20hp would be popular as well.
But unless it cost less and can be mass produced and professionally marketed then it never goes anywhere.

If you stick the engine in a frame that is uncommon then is it still popular? Make it in china and it all comes with a general lack of process control, which all in manufacturing know is required to produce quality.

So has anyone other then the people that designed the bike ridden one?

Here is a link to another M2, it is not the same configuration but it is based on the same concept.


Vyrus 986 M2: The future of Moto2?




VYRUS.IT

Reading the comments on the MCN review, you find that Bimota makes a similar type model, the Biomota Tesi D1 SR

the Bimota that still has a model that sells it was developed by the people behind the Vyrus the Tesi 3D is still around but sells in only very limited numbers, MJH you should see the ELF Honda experimental race bike it was single sided front end but in similiar fashion to the Bimota

Yeah here is a link…http://www.bikeexif.com/elf-honda

The two DOHC engines could also be copies of Suzuki's DOHC 125/150 with SACS?

Are we, the C-moto riders, suddenly become sensitive to theft/borrowing/copying of others technical solutions?

Motorcycles with, shall we say, exotic suspension systems - Tesi, Vyrus, GTS 1000, even BMW, you name it - all these are in completely different price range than Micantech.

We should all keep ours fingers crossed for Micantech. I do.

http://www.motorcyclephilippines.com...d.php?t=250374

My impression is that the motorcycles build quality looks horrible, the images of the black bike taken at a trade show, disturbers did not take their words seriously because they conflict with what they saw in front of them.


If you are going to sell online then having a very professional website is a must, it’s a point of impression and it should link to support services. It has to link to schematics and parts lists, you have to demonstrate how you offer after sales support and THE PROCESS you have to do that.


Give a bike to captain pikey and let him wear test it, better yet give one to mr. smith he would give an honest review of the quality. Words are just words and pieces of paper can be crumbled up and thrown away.

Are the bikes approved for domestic sales in china? If not then use them for testing on the road, is there a permit for that? after all you all are the ones in china.

Never heard of this bike, never saw one here. The quality of that suspension link is flimsy at best. I wouldn't trust it either. Could as well be yet another stillborn startup's product.

I would be concerned about the front wheel hub, is that a robust design. Specifically the concern would be the range of movements within that hub, it is spinning and also pivoting? I cannot really rap my head around that. The focus in the video is on the benefit of the alternative frame configuration, but never addresses comprehensively what is really different and that is the front hub/axle it is a complex configuration and a very important one , failure there could take a life. There are multiple ranges of motion and stress involved.

Hi all ,,You folks should remember that there is nothing really new these days,its all been done before,,even this front suspension fitted to a 125,,Check out this Gilera 125 cx,fanastic looking looking bike do,nt you think,and I think its a direct rip off from the Elf Honda GP bike.As for the Micantech,I woul[IMG]file:///C:/Users/Phil/Desktop/gileracx09070701[1].jpg[/IMG]d say its a brave effort,I certainly would love a spin...There is a road test in Real Classics,,,http://www.realclassic.co.uk/morinidartgileracx.html

Just got the info today: Next weekend is a test riding event in Zhongshan, Guandong

http://www.deltabridges.com/event/zh...3-april-and-su

Cool, lot of replies and critics from people who never try the bike… They must be very pro.
Next weekend, (13 and 14th April), Micantech setup an event, in Zhongshan, where you can try the M2 and, also, many YCF pit bikes, on their motocross and dirt track. There will be beer, barbecue and many more, all for free. Everybody will be welcome.
Captain Haddock and Mr. Bean can come to try the M2. Michel will be very happy to give answers to all their questions and it will be possible to visit the factory.
P.S.: The front spindle can handle 40 G. Can a motorcycle with front fork do it? (Even a moto GP)? I don’t think so.
If you want to come, send a confirmation to: micantech@hotmail.com

It is bit of a short notice…be cool if Futianshenshen, Serpentza and ChinV could get together and go there.
Just for shits and giggles and free beer. I recall a friend once told me the earlier you send out invitations the great the attendance, professionals are busy people.


I certainly would not book a flight to china for that event, but if I was in the general area I might go, just out of curiosity. .

As you are “Senior moto guru”, you must know that since a long time ago. No?
Web sites as “Delta Bridges” are not “guru” and they made the announcement since more than 1 month.
But, you’re right. It’s more comfortable to criticize from your armchair.

It’s incredible to see how much energy people spend to destroy what other people spent a life to build.

The people that I named would be the best members of this web forum that are in the region, it was a suggestion for them to attend your event, but since you only posted the invitation today, its short notice, maybe they already were aware of the event, but not through this forum.


You might want to consider taking my comment constructively rather then defensively.