Honda NC700X available in Shanghai!

Hey Guys,

I just went to my favorite motorbike dealer : 2717 wuzhong road, near qixin road (I bought him 650nk with Hu A license plate about 9 months ago: always very helpful team) and he just released the Honda NC700X. The bike is made in Thailand.

I sat on it and it has very low center of gravity: must be so easy to drive. If you pay attention to details, you'll see that everything feel top quality from the brakes to the shift lever. It might be a good choice for people driving downtown and going on dirty roads during weekends.

Jeff, the shop's boss just bought one for himself (he owns a 650tr and a Benneli K1130). Price is around 140 000rmb (as you guys know, imported vehicles are highly taxed in China, but vehicles made in Thailand are being taxed lesser than normal).

Here’s the review:

http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/...-ar131956.html

Here the characteristic of the bike:

Engine Type 670cc liquid-cooled parallel-twin
Bore And Stroke 73mm x 80mm
Induction PGM-FI, 36mm throttle body
Ignition Digital transistorized with electronic advance
Compression Ratio 10.7:1
Valve Train SOHC; four valves per cylinder
Transmission Six-speed
Final Drive Chain
Front Suspension 41mm fork, 6.0 inches travel
Rear Suspension Pro-Link® single shock with spring-preload adjustability; 5.9 inches travel
Front Brake Single 320mm disc with two-piston caliper
Rear Brake Single 240mm disc with single-piston caliper
Front Tire 120/70ZR17 radial
Rear Tire 160/60ZR17 radial
Rake 27.0 degrees
Trail 110.0mm (4.3 inches)
Wheelbase 60.6 inches
Seat Height 32.7 inches
Curb Weight 472 pounds. Includes all standard equipment, required fluids and full tank of fuel—ready to ride
Fuel Capacity 3.7 gallons
Miles Per Gallon 64 MPG - Honda’s fuel economy estimates are based on EPA exhaust emission
Model Id NC700X
Emissions Meets current EPA standards. Models sold in California meet current CARB standards and may differ slightly due to emissions equipment.
Available Colors Light Silver Metallic
One Year Transferable, Unlimited-mileage limited warranty; extended coverage available with a Honda Protection Plan.

Here are what magazine’s says:

“It’s not the überpowerful or omnipotent bike of adolescent dreams, but with this impending era of two-wheeled functionality looming large, the Honda NC700X answers a whole lot of questions Americans never knew they had about modern motorcycles.” — Autoblog
“Judged on engine performance alone, then, the NC700X might seem a bit vanilla; but thanks in large part to its chassis, the Honda is a really fun bike to ride.” — Cycle World
“This is probably the easiest motorcycle available today to get on and just ride.” — MCN
“…the most friendly beginner mount on the market.” — Motorcycle-USA
“…the NC700X is a utilitarian 21st-century tool that hits a hard-to-define sweet spot.” — Popular Mechanics
“…finally giving a large number of riders a bike that suits their real world needs rather than conforming to the fantasy performance template forged by sports-oriented bike journalists.” — Kevin Ash


Here are some pictures:
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Lesser taxed than normal? Price = 140,000 RMB = $US 22,850. Us price $6,999. More than 300% more expensive. Nice theory about Thai imports being cheaper, although it just seems totally untrue.

Anyhow the bike has 2 thirds of a compact car engine, the new CB500 is much nicer.

The 700 sells for $7,500.00 in the USA.
Honda is offering the Grom here for $2,999.00 for 2014
http://powersports.honda.com/assets/...OM_2014_10.jpg

They also have an M version of the new CRF250
they are selling in Japan.
http://estaticos.motociclismo.es/rcs...25_thumb_e.jpg

ZMC why is the engine 2/3rds of a car engine the internals are based on a Honda Jazz/fit 1.3 engine which is a four cylinder so its half a car engine, compared to a proper motorcycle engine it revs really low which is why its so efficient but lacks the buzz and feel of a engine designed from the start as a motorcycle engine.

Kennon

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Originally Posted by MJH

The 700 sells for $7,500.00 in the USA.
Honda is offering the Grom here for $2,999.00 for 2014
http://powersports.honda.com/assets/...OM_2014_10.jpg

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Is it just me or does that picture look like a gorilla riding a minibike for anyone else?

As for the NC700X, it's a Honda so I know it will last forever, but for that price one could get two legally plated Benellis from the same dealer and still have money left over to buy fuel for the next 2 years.

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Originally Posted by Kennon

ZMC why is the engine 2/3rds of a car engine the internals are based on a Honda Jazz/fit 1.3 engine which is a four cylinder so its half a car engine, compared to a proper motorcycle engine it revs really low which is why its so efficient but lacks the buzz and feel of a engine designed from the start as a motorcycle engine.

Kennon

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Sorry thought that the engine it was based on was a 3 cylinder, something I read a few years ago must have been wrong. Anyhow point is a CB500 would be a much better more entertaining bike. There are now loads of NC700's floating around very cheap second hand in the UK, as new riders quickly got bored of them.

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Originally Posted by Nuhaus

Is it just me or does that picture look like a gorilla riding a minibike for anyone else?

As for the NC700X, it's a Honda so I know it will last forever, but for that price one could get two legally plated Benellis from the same dealer and still have money left over to buy fuel for the next 2 years.

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You mean three legally plated Benellis and fuel! current price is 37,000 (39,000 if you don't haggle). x4 =148,000.

From my undertsanding, in China, imported motorcycles made in Thailand are lesser taxed than motorcycles made in US or Italy for instance. I'm quite sure that the China-ASEAN free trade agreement has something to do about it. I'm not saying the price is right, it's not, it's about 2.5 times the price of the same bike in Europe and it's a damn shame.

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

You mean three legally plated Benellis and fuel! current price is 37,000 (39,000 if you don't haggle). x4 =148,000.

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Legally plated in Shanghai :). 140 is too darn much for a 51 HP 480 pound bike, especially when the Chinese alternatives are starting to catch up.

I would much rather have the CB500 range to me they look more appealing and everyone goes through a stage on a smaller capacity bike that you have to revv the life out of to get anywhere, but I still do keep seeing really good reviews on the NC700 range mostly about the X and S from guys who have decided to step down from overpowered sterioud fueld bikes to something more sensible.

Kennon

I probably did not notice because of my bad English, so please, someone answer me this: how many pieces of NCs you can get for 140,000 yuan? Two or three? :confused1:

could get about 3 for that price in the UK.

Kennon

If your theory about thai made bikes being cheaper in china is true, that should make the kawasaki er6-n, er6-f and versys bikes interesting too. However the price you mentioned for the nc700 doesn't sound any cheaper than imports for other countries.

Funnily, a 2013 er6-n with abs is not much more money in thailand than the chinese copy is over here, and that is a copy of an earlier model with no abs and mixed reliability reports. Imagine the two competing in a fair market....

Any changes in availability and pricing on the made in Thailand NC700X being imported into Shanghai or PRC? I'm curious cause I see that a lot of the prices for other Thailand manufactured bikes imported into PRC and pretty favourable, so curious how this might have played out with this particular model.

Edit: NC700 series models are not manufactured in Thailand as it turns out... after seeing a NC700X on display at a Blue Wing Honda stand at a vehicle show in Northern Thailand, discovered the NC700X was approx. double (if not more) the price of the CB500X I was riding.

Surely if the ER6N is about 75,000 and then logically the NC700 range would be about the same and the CB500 65,000? When/if available.

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

Surely if the ER6N is about 75,000 and then logically the NC700 range would be about the same and the CB500 65,000? When/if available.

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agree totally...

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Originally Posted by felix

Funnily, a 2013 er6-n with abs is not much more money in thailand than the chinese copy is over here, and that is a copy of an earlier model with no abs and mixed reliability reports. Imagine the two competing in a fair market....

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Could you clarify your comments toward the er6n available in China, you're saying it´s a chinese copy of an earlier model? It´s not the last er6n 2013 imported from Thai? :confused1:

Thanks,


T.

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[...] Nice theory about Thai imports being cheaper, although it just seems totally untrue. [...]

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Could you clarify your comments toward the er6n available in China, you're saying it´s a chinese copy of an earlier model? It´s not the last er6n 2013 imported from Thai? :confused1: [...]

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76K and 80K respectively for the er6, so 33% more than regular MSRP.

Z250 and Ninja 250 are only 20% more expensive, 38K and 42K.

But must add 4 to 5K of taxes and other stuff...

Songhong rd / Changning rd...

Now that Honda 700 at 200% more than regular price is a JOKE which isn't fun.

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Is it just me or does that picture look like a gorilla riding a minibike for anyone else? [...]

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HAHAHA!!! Yeah, they should have get a tiny skinny Japanese cosplay girl for that picture, that 200 pounds stunt rider in full riding gear is ridiculous here..

I was saying that a 2013 ABS Er6-n in thailand costs barely more than a CFmoto 650nk in does china. The CFmoto is a copy of an earlier model er6.

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Originally Posted by Topmanda

Could you clarify your comments toward the er6n available in China, you're saying it´s a chinese copy of an earlier model? It´s not the last er6n 2013 imported from Thai? :confused1:

Thanks,
T.

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I think what was meant was that the real Kwaka ER-6N and ER-6F are available in PRC legally for a bit more money since they are made in Thailand and seemingly imported under some more favourable ASEAN trade agreement/pact. The pricing of the Kwaka is around double that of the CF650NK which is often talked about as being a "copy" of the Kwaka. That's how I took the comments...

Ha ok, ou were talking about cfmoto, make sense.
What about the er6n, is it the edition from 2013 which is available in China?
Er6n is 76k, including Abs system?

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Ha ok, ou were talking about cfmoto, make sense.
What about the er6n, is it the edition from 2013 which is available in China?
Abs version is 80k? That's interesting!

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Yes 2013, but ABS I dunno, I think it was regular just faired version.

The shop opened like 3/4 weeks ago, it's crismoe' who showed me, i was passing in front every night without noticing the big kawasaki sign lol...

They have ninja 1000 also but didn't dare asking the price.

Go see for urself or call 021-34600678...

It takes 3 months to be delivered in SH.

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Go see for urself or call 021-34600678...

It takes 3 months to be delivered in SH.

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Did u place your order yet? Havent check the place since the last we went there,
The 3 month wait must be killing u dude....:icon10:

Yea I placed the order on a Z250 on Sep 23rd, they said December, maybe January. So it's maybe 4 months wait... :(

Patience is a virtue my friend,. :icon10: you already proven that.
Waiting is part of the celebration, it will be worth it.:riding:

A parking space in my compound is waiting for your bike just incase your
out for another vacarion:icon10:

Is there any shops in Shanghai selling the er6n already and most importantly having them in the store?

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Is there any shops in Shanghai selling the er6n already and most importantly having them in the store?

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er6n = 76000 RMB

er6f = 79500 RMB

Changning rd / Songhong Rd

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They both have ABS..

Oh, and u probably have to order and wait like 3 or 4 months...

Cost me an EXTRA 5000 RMB to order a Z250 because of taxes and paperwork fees, then in December I got to pay full bike price to ride off...

Thanks,


Changning rd near Songhong rd, do u have the exact adress or is the shop exactly located at the crossroad of these 2 streets?

So basically what you're saying is that it's a Kawasaki shop without Kawasakis (despite the pictures), right?

Cheers.

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Thanks,
Changning rd near Songhong rd, do u have the exact adress or is the shop exactly located at the crossroad of these 2 streets?
So basically what you're saying is that it's a Kawasaki shop without Kawasakis (despite the pictures), right?
Cheers.

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I sympathise, it is a pain in the arse so to speak that one often cannot see the bike in the "flesh" let alone touch it, play with it and otherwise man-handle it. To say nothing of getting seat time or a test ride. But, TIC and this Kwaka shop iseems pretty much the norm in my experience. I've bought several bikes including my CFMoto branded bikes based on what I found by trawling the net, conversations with the local Suzuki/Haojue dealer/shop that also carried CFMoto amongst other brands at the time. Basically I paid my deposit sight unseen and awaited the arrival of the bike(s), upon my satisfaction the balance due, would be payable. The Kwaka dealer is no different than others including BMW Motorrad SH, where bikes are bought on deposit with a 3-4 month delivery time. Granted they do at least have a model for viewing and even in some instances a test ride, but it doesn't include all the range.

Yamaha USA did exactly the same for the Super Tenere XT1200Z. Pre-pay deposit first as part of a predelivery program and slowly over 3-6 months bikes were released to those on the special program. Reason being was that initially the XT1200Z wasn't slated for release in the USA, however interest etc turned that decision around.