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We cannot get them here and if they are coming through Italy they are not going to be very affordable. The Asia wing engine would make me not even consider buying one. Asia wing comes off as handing out kisses of death and or poison pills for people to swallow.
What is a price for the M1nsk 450? Not that it matters to me it is here in the US as a Beta already and cost $8,500.00, who buys them, rich dirt bike riders? Bet they only sell into race circuits.
Hi MJH you are rigth about use a european motor! Thats its what said only with a chinese 450 motor the price could be good. Related to the Asiawing reliablity i really dont know. But i sure know that Christini are using them and see dont give any problem.They told me that they will keep in the line which inclue xc,sm,en. They have plan to introduce a 250 (wich i guess the Loncin 250cc motor) in a couple years.Rigth now they concentrate in the two stroke models 250,300cc.The 450 xc sells retail on 6,895.00 USD.Wich its a lot cheaper than the Beta plus AWD system. I put a picture of the Christini so can see the frame & motor equal to the Asiawing.Attachment 8349
That does look Asiawing indeed. And, being a long-time owner of one, I must admit Asiawings suck balls.
The Christini is an Asia Wing
It is the AWD 450.
USA EPA related data on the model for 2012.
Manufacuter Name Engine OEM MFR Engine OEM Country Vehicle OEM MFR Vehicle OEM Country Christini Technologies, Inc. Shandong Asiawing Motors Co., Ltd. China Shandong Asiawing Motors Co., Ltd. China
Christini also offer a 2-stroke, it is off highway and I do not have any data on my PC for 2012 Off Highway, so I cannot see who makes or where the 2-stroke is made.
I am pretty sure that the M1NSK has a Beta engine and why it has made in Italy on it.
I see all the R series I am 99.9% sure the M1NSK 450 is a Beta 450 RS
Models Certified 450 RS, 450 RS-sm, 520 RS, 520 RS-sm 350 RS, 350 RS-sm 350 RS, 350 RS-sm, 400 RS, 400 RS-sm, 450 RS, 450 RS-sm, 520 RS, 520 RS-sm
Manufacuter Name Engine OEM MFR Engine OEM Country Vehicle OEM MFR Vehicle OEM Country AB Distribution, Inc. dba American Beta Betamotor S.p.A. Italy Betamotor S.p.A. Italy AB Distribution, Inc. dba American Beta Betamotor S.p.A. Italy Betamotor S.p.A. Italy AB Distribution, Inc. dba American Beta Betamotor S.p.A. Italy Betamotor S.p.A. Italy
do not confuse the Christini with the M1NSK they are not the same.
The 450 engines have stricter EPA requirements compared to under 280cc, they are class III models.
I can bet that the EPA will grab one and test it for compliance, I suspect they have been doing that without much publicity on many of the Chinese imports.
I just discovered in the state of Oregon court documents that is what shutdown Zongshen America.
The window to submit false applications to the EPA and not get caught is pretty much over.
Corruption and fraud may be normal in other countries maybe here in the USA as well, but if you get caught it gets you in deep shit.
It is not the avoiding of the EPA regulations that bothers me, its is not the avoidance of the FMVSS regulations that bother me, it the fecking fraud and lying that does.
The results will be stricter controls and more policing, people that cannot be trusted have to be policed. You do not have to agree with the regulations, you can disagree with all of it,. but you cannot ignore the laws.
Before entering a market any market you study the laws and work inside them, It is no mystery that people in some markets slip around regulations and even bribe people to get past laws. In this country that will get you big fat fines and in some instances can but you in jail?
Look at the Zongshen thread they screwed a distributor and that instance the distributor tried to get them charged with racketing, LOL that’s a felony offense and can get people put in jail.