Soberpete's YBR 250

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

Heinri I've given you enough facts. Not sure if you believing the outlandish or ridiculous because it makes you happy or pissing me off gives you pleasure, but you are wrong and you are defying logic.

1. It is cheaper to manufacture in China than anywhere else, why would a manufacturer import parts into China if they can make them here?
2. Most bikes made in China are exported, that's why you don't see many of them on the streets.
3. Chinese and Brazilian versions of the same bike are available side by side in Yamaha dealerships in many countries, to give customers a price choice.

I'm not discussing this again.

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:confused1:??? strange??? did not really find something i wrote the justifies you reaction but be it as it is. maybe someone (neutral) can enlighten me :confused1:


AH, TO MAKE A FINAL POINT ON THAT ISSUE : IF I DID OFFEND YOU ALTHOUGH NOT INTENDED (AND STILL DONT KNOW HOW) I AM SORRY AND APOLOGISE!!!

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Originally Posted by heiri

:confused1:??? strange??? did not really find something i wrote the justifies you reaction but be it as it is. maybe someone (neutral) can enlighten me :confused1:

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Perhaps he just had a bad day... I'm sure henrich didn't argue to piss you off man, it's just what he thought because it's impossible for him to find new bikes....

As for me I think this bike is not popular at all in China, as it's too expensive for the average motorbike guy, while the rich people goes for the expensive imported ones.

For this reason the resellers don't like to stock them and they order from factory which produces on a per-order basis. It's also possible that some engine parts are imported.

As for me... I can wait to put my ass on my new YBR! Chill out guys!

Marco, it's not the silly ideas based on what Heinri would like to believe, its clinging to them despite all other evidence that I find unbearable.

Take this as an example:

Friend buys what looks like an expensive Italian leather jacket for cheap in China.
I say, "it's fake".
He says, "maybe it's surplus from the back of the factory".
I say, "it's fake".
He says, "maybe it's second quality from the factory".
I say, "it's fake".
He says, "maybe it's just a bit older so it's cheaper".
I say, "it's fake".
He says, "why are you so arrogant, how do you no it isn't real?"
I say, "it's only made in Italy and costs 500 euro, why would they import a rubbish quality jacket into China to sell for 300 RMB?!!"

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

Marco, it's not the silly ideas based on what Heinri would like to believe, its clinging to them despite all other evidence that I find unbearable.

Take this as an example:

Friend buys what looks like an expensive Italian leather jacket for cheap in China.
I say, "it's fake".
He says, "maybe it's surplus from the back of the factory".
I say, "it's fake".
He says, "maybe it's second quality from the factory".
I say, "it's fake".
He says, "maybe it's just a bit older so it's cheaper".
I say, "it's fake".
He says, "why are you so arrogant, how do you no it isn't real?"
I say, "it's only made in Italy and costs 500 euro, why would they import a rubbish quality jacket into China to sell for 300 RMB?!!"

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considering the title "ybr 250 needed urgent" this is very enlightening!!!




LAST TRY "PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR MY SHORTCOMINGS, PLEASE ACCEPT MY DEEPEST APOLOGIES FOR UPSETTING YOU!!!"

to finish this "urgently needed" thing here

finally (thanks to andy/chinabiker) we found a dealer in beijing who's able to source up to 5bikes. hard work if you can get it!

A Brazilian made YBR250 would cost too much in the USA, they will never sell them in the US.

If they did intend to sell them in the USA they would have to be sourced from china and they would not be profitable, because they would not sell many.

It is possible that some of the components going into the YBR250 made in china or Brazil are coming out of Japan. The Serrow250 sold in Japan has or shares the same engine as the YBR250.
http://www.yamaha-motor.jp/mc/lineup/sportsbike/serow/
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/%2...roduct_001.jpghttp://www.yamaha-motor.jp/mc/lineup...roduct_001.jpg
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload...aha-YBR250.jpg

It depends but typically they manufacture the engines in one factory, but its all has to do with a total cost total value analysis. You have to wonder why if the engines are being manufactured in three factories then why not introduce more models in all three markets that manufacture them?

Based on the markets prices in all three markets I would say the engines likely come from a single plant and it likely is in Japan, not for cost reasons but for value/quality reasons. However it is also possible the engines are all coming out of china and then it is a matter of higher profits. But pushing the Chinese to make more comes with less or lower quality control. Then there are underlying issue in china as well like the source of the metal and the inherent quality of that.

It all has to be based on conjecture….Yamaha holds that info close they consider it private.

the majority of the models that have that engine are Japanese made models
http://www2.yamaha-motor.fr/salon/mo...icker-01-2.jpg

http://www.yamaha-motor.jp/mc/lineup...roduct_001.jpg

MJH pretty much agree on everything you say but i think on the ybr side you underestimate brazil (at least in europe - sales wise)
anyway as long as the quality is what it's like on my bikes i a) dont care and b) do care ;-) if they are made in china (do care :: should make spares cheaper)

price in europe (austria/germany at least) is around 4.200€ which is - according to moto journos over there - a good price (for a good bike)
some quality issues that turned up in reports in europe state it as 'made in brazil"
BUT shit actually i anser because of what you posted!!!!!
any of the bikes (like tricker) available (or made in ) china. specially the xt250 looks good to me. altough the ybr250's really fine bike even on the offroad parts to everest base camp the xt built would be even better. so any idea on that???? THANKS!!!

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Originally Posted by MJH

Based on the markets prices in all three markets I would say the engines likely come from a single plant and it likely is in Japan, not for cost reasons but for value/quality reasons.

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Look the Chinese manufacture millions of engines every year, why can't they manufacture a 250cc single engine suddenly? I've seen Yamaha 450cc single quad engines being assembled in my city! Japanese bearings? Possibly. EFI units even maybe. Engines? nah.

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Originally Posted by MJH

t is also possible the engines are all coming out of china and then it is a matter of higher profits.

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I think we've got a winner!

Do you know that BMW pay Loncin to manufacture their F650 engine in China? Then export the engine to Germany and then assemble the bike to cut costs?

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload...bmw_f650gs.jpg

Then why would Yamaha export their engines from Japan, Brazil or elsewhere into China? Really think about this.