So it sounds like you'll have your Chinese license in time for the good weather! Hope to see you on the road soon, and enjoy your trip home.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1288711
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So it sounds like you'll have your Chinese license in time for the good weather! Hope to see you on the road soon, and enjoy your trip home.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1288711
Recent ride from Nanning bike banned city to Liuzhou - two trucks on opposite but correct side of blind corner - as I began the bend I was faced with a F8kin big bus on my side of the road just a small distance from me and I was doing 70km PHQuote:
Originally Posted by ZMC888
Missed it by a hair spin around chased the Bustard as he was still passing everything in sight.
Under took the cAnt and stopped in front of him got of yelling the worst possible French known to English kind and punched his windscreen that suddenly without warning smashed
As I rode off I saw an angry gorilla throwing a spanner at me.
That was a very very close call to death I tell you for free!!
That's what they do. Drive like they are in a race...taking crazy risks to pass everything... They have been driving such a short tme.. It is equalivent to a teenage driver in western countries... And no police presence or accountability... And they drive with a cell phone in one hand and a cigarette in the other...........Quote:
Originally Posted by NZBrakelathes
Its the norm behavior for them so he was surprised you are angry..... You can't train a monkey to drive.. But they can climb behind the wheel :gun_bandana:
Well it's mostly due to lack of education. When your driving 'instructor' would be thrown out of a test in a western country and told 'never to darken their door again' or the rich can just buy their way through, the only mainland Chinese that can drive worth a shit are the ones that have driven outside of or seen driving outside of China, and even then that's a maybe.
Instead of the usual 'they're all so shit' nonsense, I'll split things down to an analysis of watch my Chinese friend drive by using European driving standards to assess his driving over a 5km journey....
[FAIL] Eyesight too poor, cannot see registration plate from 20 meters
[FAIL] Car suspension damaged and creaking
[FAIL] Not wearing seat belt
[FAIL] Did not check mirrors before pulling away
[FAIL] Did not signal before pulling away
[FAIL] Did not shoulder check before pulling away
[FAIL] Used cell phone with one hand
[FAIL] Attempted to change lane without signalling or checking mirror nearly causing accident
[HUH?] Slowed to 50 km/h for 70 km/h speed trap
[FAIL] Drifted between lanes
[FAIL] Attempted to change lane without signalling or checking mirror
[FAIL] Used cell phone again
[FAIL] Attempted to change lane without signalling or checking mirror nearly causing accident again
[FAIL] Drifted between lanes again
[FAIL] Over took on bend with limited visibility
[FAIL] Did not check mirrors before pulling away
[FAIL] Did not signal before pulling away
[FAIL] Drove slowly on wrong side of road looking for parking place
[FAIL] Did not signal before entering parking place
[FAIL] Did not check mirrors before entering parking place
My friend is a nice person, who is open-minded, doesn't smoke and speaks reasonable English. Yet he sincerely believes he is a good driver. However any objective analysis shows his driving is dangerous and poor. I believe this his is not his fault, as he's been clearly trained by a complete monkey.
I always say the Chinese man is mostly a gorilla in habit action and appearance.
Woman just a little better or I'm just partial to the female kind lol
Attachment 16778
Results of quality local driving and drivers
Be warned images are very disturbing!
Figured I'd add to this thread that holders of a Belgian driver's licence type B (personal car) are allowed a C1E licence in China, without written or practical tests. How? Thus:
You'll have to bring an officially translated version of your Belgian licence, plus your passport, plus a visa with at least 3 months validity, plus some pictures, plus a police residence registration, plus a basic health assessment to the police office.
Key is to point out to the translator's office that Belgians are allowed to ride motorcycles of up to 125 cc using their car licence (if the licence is issued before May 2011, that is). They will add that to the translation. Since the Chinese law does not make a difference in cc, the police will issue a motorcycle licence along with your car licence, without doing any written or practical tests!
Why Belgians are exempt from practical and written tests is beyond me. It seems to be the only nationality enjoying such preferential treatment.
Hi
Sorry to say but a UK car driving license is the same but only up to 50cc before a certain date this is how I got my Chinese C1E with out haveing a full UK motoerbike license!! . Now my next question is have you obtained a full Chinese C1E without sitting the Chinese theory test! based on what you have just posted !!
China / Belgium have a special agreements due to a diplomatic incident in the late 90's and very easy, hassle free and efficient for Belgian citizen to obtain a China driving license, thought you know it all and better....Quote:
Originally Posted by prince666
Ride safe, Pal
Poland has an agreement too. But it is not common known, and may be a litlle tricky to became a driver license.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pal
An Agremment Poland / China was signed 5th June 1987.
Agreement on Legal Assistance in Civil and Criminal matters.
Article 27
Documents prepared or certified by a court or other competent authority of one of the contracting parties and stamped official not require legalization in order to use them in the territory of the other contracting parties.
This is theory, i do not know anybody who has tried to travel with Polish Driver license in China.
On the other hand, i know that the Chineese People can drive in Poland with Chinese driver license without problems.
They must only translate it to Polish.
Oryginal Chineese text:
由缔约一方法院或其他主管机关制作或证明的并加盖印章的文件，不必经过认证，即可在缔约另一方 境内使用
Can someone confirm that he/she for what ever country you come from or what special arrangement your country my or may not have with China has obtained a full chinese C1E without taking the theory 100 question test ?
How about Dutch license??????Quote:
Originally Posted by Pal
I've been riding motorcycles for 20 years here in China.. I never took a test.. They didn't know what to do then so just gave me one.. Tests are straightforward if you have a foreign license.. Someone has said things about a tourist driving license but trust me.. There is no way you can be prepared for driving on the roads in this country. The only thing that works is experience.. Catch 22...
read my blog and live vicariously.. www.simplesite.com/jonsims
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Originally Posted by ZMC888
Cuz... So.. I guess you are fluent in Chinese and regularly go for long rides, chew the fat over a few beers and scoobies with the "gorillas" ... So.. I guess you are talking from experience.. Good for you as there are so many ignorant wankers who ride motorcycles... Lucky you're not one of them eh.. Kia kaha..
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Originally Posted by NZBrakelathes
Cloggie Consultants China = http://china.nlembassy.orgQuote:
Originally Posted by NZBrakelathes
Ride safe, Gong Xi Fa Chai!!! PAL
As an educated person you will be more than aware that had it not been for the Dutch the whole issue of Taiwan would never have got so complicated.. Show a Dutch license to a Chinese traffic cop and he's more than likely to bend you over and leave a deposit in your diplomatic bag.
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Originally Posted by Pal
jon, I'm not reading your blog. Why you think that riding in China to 20 years gives you all the personal answers is beyond me. I have a long extensive motorcycling CV that might trump yours for all you know, yet I see no need to rely on it as a reason to be adamant that all my opinions must be 100% correct start some blog as some kind of authority and everyone else's need to be shouted down, even if most of the time we actually agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonsims
This is us a forum, the idea is we listen to each other's opinions, digest them argue them out in an ideally polite manner and come to a consensus. See if I have 12 years experience in my region, Forum user A has 15 years in Guangdong province, forum user B has 10 years in Beijing and hebei, user C 15 in Shanghai, forum user D 25 years in Sichuan, when we add these years up with our consensus, it trumps the opinion of any one forum user, as together there are lifetimes of riding, ideas and opinions.
I'm not that educated on the Taiwan Dutch connection
What's this all about?
I have a NZ car and bike license 25 years and a Dutch car license about 3 years
How can this help me get a chinese bike license.
Please explain further?
Taiwan was a Dutch colony in the 1600's, but what that has to do with anything about your Chinese motorcycle license is beyond me. Jonsims apparently is suggesting that mainland Chinese police officers all hold some severe animosity toward the Dutch because of their involvement with Taiwan... which is a senseless, ridiculous insinuation. If his logic made any sense, me and my fellow American friends would probably all be banned from China permanently based on past and current US involvement with Taiwan. As an educated person, I'd pretty much ignore him.Quote:
Originally Posted by NZBrakelathes
Back to reality: Your NZ license has a motorcycle endorsement? If so, the process is relatively painless to get a Chinese C1E license (C1 is for cars, E is the motorcycle endorsement... so you'll be able to drive cars and motorcycles).
The point Jon made was meant to be ridiculous just as the statements made by other members about how a Dutch / Poland person can optain a full Chinese DL without taking the test !
Damnit... sarcasm on the internet sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by prince666
Obtained Chinese License today. Let's go over the details.
Aug-2014 Arrive in China without drivers license. (taibenle)
Sept-2014 Find License. At friends house in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Hand license to a snail that hand delivers it to China. (snails meiyoushou)
Oct-2014 Read this forum thread. Ignore trollspam. Re-read important posts. Download Drive in China app. Download test questions. (wohuimeitianxuexi)
Jan-01-2015 Haven't studied one question. Better start that. No word from snail. (manyidian)
Jan-29-2015 Give up hope of snail. Attempt plan B. Use South Korean license (49cc-125cc) to obtain Chinese motorcycle license. Everyone laugh at foreigner. (ha ha ha)
Feb-08-2015 Snail reports successful ocean crossing in Shanghai. (nihao)
Feb-17-2015 Snail arrives with license. So happy that get drunk and sing "Queen" in underwear. (nixiangqu"ktv"ma?)
Feb-18-2015 Wake up with headache and fireworks. Everyone not in office. See you in a week. (xinniankuaile)
Feb-25-2015 More fireworks mean everyone returns to the office. Find police, get residence document. Find translator, get licence translated. Translators manager hires me. (wotingbudong)
Feb-26-2015 Bus to license office. Bus home with license. (wanle)
A more detail description.
Hey. I know there are a few detailed guides out there for how to do this. One more can't hurt. Other guides focus on what you need. Namely Soberpetes guide. It's on page 15 of this thread. I found his information to be accurate. I'll reference his post below. I'm going to focus on how exactly I found the correct buildings and personnel that were able to do it. I needed three buildings.
- Police Office that my Visa was registered to.
- Transportation License and Testing Center.
- Foreign Affairs Translation Center for my city.
For number 1: You need to go to the police station to get a proof of residency form. To find the police station I had to ask the man in charge of foreign teachers at my school. He applied for all my visa documents and has a massive amount of contacts. I had to lie to him and tell him that the proof of residency form was for the registration of Canadians abroad at the Canadian embassy in Beijing. He bought it and told me where I could get this done. He is irrationally hateful towards motorcycles ridden by his teachers because he has had more than one of them buy their first motorcycle in China and then spend the rest of the semester in a hospital bed. At the police station they needed my confirmation letter of invitation and my passport with visa pages. This paperwork was free. The cops who did the paperwork were three cute women in a second story office.
For number 2. This one was tricky to find. So, I got the translation for "where do I obtain a drivers license in Shandong, Yantai?" using baidu translate. Then, I plugged that Chinese translation into baidu. The first result was a Baidu Answers link with a one word answer. Translated, it read something like "Yantai Municipal Transport Permit and Inspection Office". I used Baidu Maps to find out where that is. (If you've noticed, I don't use Google in China. Google is amazing...but in China it's just not useful) It was on the other side of town and took over an hour on the bus to get there. There, I find a large parking lot filled with cars, trucks, transports (Lorries), a dude in suspenders waiting next to a crane, and about a hundred cops. The road seemed to line up with one building that has more pillars and decorations than the others, so I go in there and start annoying some people. The dude at the "inquiry" desk was sitting pretty contently so I ask him, "zai zher, wo huan jianada zhizhao ...uhh...dai ti...uhh... zhongguo zhizhao." This dude was great. He doesn't miss a beat. He smiles and points to a map that has been taped to the desk written on looseleaf in pencil. It makes no sense to me. Dude at the desk already has a pen and paper out. He writes the name of the place and the phone number for it and hands me the paper. I ask for pinyin. He complies and I type it into my phones baidu maps app. It pops up and I verify that this is the correct place. He says "dui". I verify again my goal. "wo gei tamen wo de jianada zhizhao, tamen gei wo yi ge zhongguo zhizhao ma?" He says "yeah". And I'm off to my next destination. It's on the other other side of town and is another hour by bus. A small success in China feels more rewarding than a similar success anywhere else. This place ended up being the correct place. The name that dude wrote down was, "caojiazhuang, 曹家庄“ When I put those three words into baidu maps, it sent me directly to the correct building. This may be specific to Yantai and I have no idea what those characters mean.
At the License Testing Center I found the correct counter after annoying a few bored security guards. I was told the address of the translation office. I also learned where to get the medical done. It was done in the same building as the exam. Very handy. So off to the translation office.
For Number 3 Yantai Foreign Affairs and Overseas Chinese Affairs Office. Address: 烟台莱山，9新苑路。 9 Xinyuan Lu, Laishan, Yantai. Baidu Maps will again send you to the right place using that address, if you're in Yantai. When I got there I entered the wrong door and talked to a security guard who sent me into the office of the actual translator. NOT the person at the counter who takes your money. I found the guy who speaks English, accidentally. He took my license and translated it. Then I showed him my Drive in China app. His manager came in while this was going on and asked what was up. The drive in China app was passed to the manager who then asked my name and position in the office (I wasn't suppose to be there). I was revealed to be an English teacher teaching at a nearby university. As it turns out, the Vice-Dean in my faculty is a good personal friend of this manager. Because she liked the Drive in China app, She asked me to come back next week and start teaching the workers there some English.
This mornings events. Arrive at License Testing Center. A clerk takes all my documents, fills in all the blanks. The Chinese people are looking at me thinking, "Why doesn't she fill in all the blanks for me," Then she hands my papers to a police man who is asked to escort me to the medical exam. He thinks this is the most annoying thing anyone could do, so he makes it go faster. He butts to the front of EVERY line and I am allowed to go next. The Chinese people are looking at me thinking, "Who the hell is that fat foreign bastard who just butted in line?" Then he returns me to the counter. My paperwork is again done for me. I am told where the test will take place. Passed (96/100) and came back. They handed me my license. And that's it.
LASTLY, the questions in the Drive in China app differ wildly from the questions I received. I would say there were more errors and deviations than similar questions. I passed because some of the content was similar and the laws being tested haven't changed. However, I have seen better and more accurate versions of the test questions. Were I to do it again, I would not buy the Drive in China app. I do not recommend it.
ALSO, my Chinese skills are still bad...sorry. I try to make light of it but it's still really embarrassing.
AND, As promised, a link to soberpete's post.
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Originally Posted by soberpete
Interesting that you had to go to the foreign affairs translation center for the license translation. I just had my friend translate my license into Chinese here in Beijing and that was fine... no need for any professional translation (even asked at the Traffic Management office to be sure).
Also, for the written exam, I tried the iPhone app, but ended up studying from this site: http://www.chinese-driving-test.com/
That site comes pretty close to replicating the exam (at least the exam that I took...)
Glad to hear that you got your license! What kind of bike are you going to ride?
Can someone point me to the law that allows foreigners to apply for chinese license? QingYuan near Guangzhou the police are thick as shut and are telling us we can't do it
I need references to the Chinese law
This is from Beijing, so I'm not sure how much it will help you in QingYuan, but you can give it a shot :)Quote:
Originally Posted by NZBrakelathes
Here's the starting point with links to various sections of the Traffic Management Bureau:
http://www.bjjtgl.gov.cn/english/Ins...ons/index.html
Here's a page specific to holders of foreign driver licenses obtaining a Chinese driver's license:
http://www.bjjtgl.gov.cn/english/ure...970/index.html
Required documents for the application:
http://www.bjjtgl.gov.cn/english/ure...983/index.html
Again, this is for Beijing... hope it helps convince the folks in QingYuan to help you out...
http://www.mps.gov.cn/n16/n1282/n349...7/3386943.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by NZBrakelathes
search "境外" in that page
Identity Document =
外国人的身份证明，是其入境时所持有的护照或者其他旅行证件、居（停）留期为三个月以上的有效签证或者居留 许可，以及公安机关出具的住宿登记证明；
I thought I'd update on my current situation in Shanghai. I never got the license in England so was going to do the full process in shanghai. To cut things short foreigners can take the test, but only in chinese. I've been to every possible test centre I can take the exam and they say you can only take the test in chinese because shanghai scrapped the english version of the test last year, so now there is no test in english. However if you transfer a license from your home country they have a test.... In my opinion this is extremely annoying and frustrating not to mention if your chinese you actually can just buy the license. So such a strict law but you can actual buy te license if you're chinese but if you're a foreigner you can't. I will keep trying my best to take the test but as of now they're telling all foreigners to wait for another english exam accordingly...
Well yep, it's China. Porn blocked from the internet, but there is a brothel on every street corner! So long as you call it binguan, lifadien, ktv etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Joshmakesnoise
Must be a loop-hole to do it somewhere else in Asia and transfer it...or maybe it needs to be from your home country only.
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Originally Posted by ZMC888
Yeah, the law is just something else. I'm so confused to why you can transfer you original license and take the test but not just sit the practical and take the theory test as well. It's just making Ch!na lose money, but obviously not too much or else they wouldn't have scrapped the test.
I'm going to get in contact with some friends in Japan and Korea. Although maybe I can get the license I'm Thailand or Vietnam.
Either way I will get the license without going all the way back to the UK to sit the test.
Or, I might just try my best with my CBT license and play dumb with the officers and explain I ride in the UK with this license and therefore I am entitled to ride I'm Ch!na. But maybe this will not work :icon10:
I've got an nz license but here they saying they can't do it for foreigners ???