Shanghai Inner Ring Number Plate Price & Registration Process

Dear Shanghaifingers,

I suspected as much. So he's building a bit of a monopoly on motorbikes, at least in central Shanghai, and can play games with pricing. That would explain why he thinks he can charge 2000 rmb above list price for Raptors. They look so cheap next to the bimmers and benellis!

Dewsnap, did you manage to check out the shop in Changning Lu? If they actually have Raptors there, it would at least give you a stronger footing when bargaining with the Pubei mafia.

good luck!

If we're talking about the shop on Changning lu, it seems that it's the same one that was listed as a "Honda motorcycle" shop before, roughly at the corner of Changning road and Zhongshan road, but it's not a motorcycle shop anymore, only e-bikes and scooters there the last time I went to (3 months ago) looking for the Honda bikes....

Now the Honda-Sundiro bikes are very close to this place, at the corner of Zhongshan road and Wuyi road, but no Regal Raptors...

If only i'd seen your post before i left.
I've just made the long trek to Changning Lu only to find e-bikes.
The only Regal Raptor outlet now in Shanghai is on Pubei Lu, and they only had 3 bikes in their store today.

Aaargh, hate it for you, I wished I could have replied sooner ! ;-))

So they really have a monopoly in Shanghai...

Here's another good reason to get your plate. A buddy took a pic of this and another similar bike getting confiscated on Wuzhong lu. Riders were in full gear. NICE bike. Ouch!

Wrangler,
Can't get the bikes back?

I've been inside a vehicle impound yard in Shanghai's Zhabei district -- and cast my eyes on what surely were thousands of unlicensed or fake-licensed bikes. The operator of the yard told me these bikes are eventually scrapped. If you are not legal, I doubt there's any (legal) way to get your bike back.

But it gets even better. I met a very nice guy this week who was riding a decent little 125cc scooter, with legal Hu A plates. It was stolen a year ago, and he began the process of applying for replacement plates. Then he got a call from a police station in Jiangsu province a couple hundred km outside of Shanghai. His bike was there; please come get it. And indeed he got his bike back -- with plates intact -- but only after being obliged to lavish gifts on the local police: meals, booze and 4k rmb in cash. He said he had no evidence that the police were working with the thieves, or that the police units confiscating bikes might themselves be in on the racket, but he strongly suspected as much.

It's widely believed among urban motorcyclists that there are teams of criminals who drive around town in trucks and fall in behind bikes they want to target. When the motorcyclist reaches his destination, and the bike is exposed, these guys need only 30 seconds to hoist the bike into the truck and be gone. If a passerby questions them, which is extremely unlikely in China's "don't get involved" culture, they do not act like criminals. They'll say something convincing like, "repair crew; bike won't start," and finish the theft unhindered.

No one knows if there is official involvement in this, but the guy I met said he strongly suspected there was. The Harley folks told me that many H-Ds had been stolen this way.

stay safe out there!
cheers

I'm curious to find out how many premium bikes are stolen in China - I bet it is a lot - but I also bet that the actual number is tremendously under-reported ("excuse me trustworthy officer, but my illegal bike appears to be missing").

And also, the confiscation / scrapping of an unlicensed premium bike ... really? I kinda doubt that the "scrap yard" is going to crush a BMW or Harley or Ducatti or whatever. If the whole bike doesn't zoom out the back door, I bet the parts do ... and probably end up in a Franken-bike, sold as yet another unlicensed bike. I've heard stories that the guys down in GZ can create anything you wish. They have to get the parts from "somewhere" and I also kinda doubt the parts are imported.

Scary stuff thinking about the apparently very real possibility of a bike getting stolen.

By the way, what happens if a valuable, legally-plated Shanghai plated bike is stolen? Can you get a new plate?

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And also, the confiscation / scrapping of an unlicensed premium bike ... really? I kinda doubt that the "scrap yard" is going to crush a BMW or Harley or Ducatti or whatever. If the whole bike doesn't zoom out the back door, I bet the parts do ... and probably end up in a Franken-bike, sold as yet another unlicensed bike. I've heard stories that the guys down in GZ can create anything you wish. They have to get the parts from "somewhere" and I also kinda doubt the parts are imported.

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Richard, when I visited that impound yard I was still recovering from being knocked out cold in a motorcycle-inflicted bicycle crash, so I didn't look closely. It was also after dark. What I did see, however, was hundreds upon hundreds of scooters of the type that menace pedestrians, bicyclists and anyone else who ventures onto the streets of Shanghai. Yes, the selfsame bikes that I fawned over in a previous post from Jiaoji Lu, known to me as scootertown. Many of the bikes I saw were the garden-variety-mirrorless-and-held-together-with-packing-tape type, but there were plenty of the tricked-out type with all their fancy exhausts, shocks, saddles and lighting. Lots of them had HK8888 plates or similar, some had legal-looking plates that presumably were fakes, but most had no plates at all.

Good riddance, I say.

I did not see, perhaps tellingly, any premium big bikes. You are probably right that these had long since been parted out the back door, or allocated to police departments, or maybe even sold back to their original owners...

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By the way, what happens if a valuable, legally-plated Shanghai plated bike is stolen? Can you get a new plate?

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Yes, you can. I've not met anyone who's done this, but, yes, with proper police reports and probably a lot of fuss, you can get your worth-their-weight-in-platinum plates reissued. OK, I have a vested interest, having coughed up the cash for my plates, but I have to say it's not a bad system. The plates I bought for 42k are supposedly now worth 46k, and can be transfered to any legal bike or car. (Plates already assigned to cars cannot be reassigned to a bike, however, so the pool of available motorcycle plates presumably is shrinking. Good for those of us who have them. Not so good for those who want them.)

cheers

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Here's another good reason to get your plate.

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All i see is a good reason to get out of shanghai!!!

Easy for you to say, short-timer!

Scary prospect about these gangs of bike thieves.

I'm certain a group of builders knicked my first scooter.
Can't prove it obviously but i'm sure it was them. The thieving B@STARDS were working in my neigbours appt so they'd had weeks of scouting my routine. On their last day working in my building, i had my bloody bike stolen. From a guarded compound!! (In a 15 minute window no less, as i nipped home from work to get changed as i usually do)

Sorry about my ranting. Still tears me up to think about it. Haha.

Also euphonius, If the less valuable yellow C plate is stolen can that also be replaced? Or does that only apply for the A plate?

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Also euphonius, If the less valuable yellow C plate is stolen can that also be replaced? Or does that only apply for the A plate?

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I can only assume so, but don't know so. I'll ask around.

cheers

I had my non-registered scooter impounded last summer. Luckily the fapiao was under my name and after much pleading by locals on my behalf, was able to get it back. However, no fapiao, no return. I believe the law is stricter now. This was before the crackdown. My Yamaha was easily the best in the impound. So nice, in fact, someone keyed it, cops dragged it on it's side and used some kind of white-out pen and wrote on the seats to mark it. Still can't get the stuff out.

I don't think the guys will get their bikes back if the bike is grey market.

Regarding stolen bikes, I have heard if you get your bike stolen, you can go to the Shanghai moto market and ask around to see if anyone can find your bike and sell it to you. They are organized gangs. In addition, if you are looking for a particular bike, you can request which bike you want and they can "find" one for you... Those JH600s look awfully nice to me! :naughty:

I've also rode bikes in Wuhan while working there last year. Super lax enforcement compared to here, but still. A buddy of mine wanted a stolen bike and easily found one, complete with fake military plates. After riding around for awhile, it was stolen again from outside his compound. Not a really good idea to buy stolen property, and fake military plates would be asking for trouble.

Anyone have info on what the new A or C Plate Prices are?

I know that the price as of June 15, 2013 were --
A Plate 112,000 RMB
C Plate 14,000 RMB
But I heard they recently went up again - updated info would be nice, or if anyone has the link to the Govt site where they track the monthly / yearly prices....I have the page for the historical prices for CAR plates, but can't find the one for bikes.

For Cars - Plate Pricing (Monthly Stats)
2012 -http://www.alltobid.com/guopai/contents/56/1972.html
2013 - http://www.alltobid.com/guopai/contents/56/1925.html

Anybody have info on what the current Prices are for Shanghai Bike Plates? A / B / C Yellow vs Blue?

yellow

127,000 for inner ring
19,000 for outer ring/ most of pudong

I just spent 19k on an outer ring plate for use in pudong.

getting it on monday

the reason the gov doesn't monitor the price is because it is all private sales for these yellow plates now. no more new ones.

I heard a foreigner paid 160K for his 沪A mid October.

U can sell ur own as much as u want, but u probably won't sell it if it's too much, although CNY is coming and people will want bikes.