Congrats, Felix. Nice to see a happy ending.
cheers
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Congrats, Felix. Nice to see a happy ending.
cheers
It's either fake or a photoshop trick :lol8:
Congrats dude, glad you're legal again.
Cheers!
ChinaV
Yeah, thats a happy ending in his right hand ... !!!
What do you think folks, should I ban this member as a poor example to others or shall we give him another chance?
I say photoshop. Felix would never grab his crotch like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinaV
It's what he was grabbing that required photoshop.
Cheers!
ChinaV
Could someone clarify the measuring they take for alcohol? The original poster mentioned .2, but I'm familiar with the US having BAC (blood alcohol content). Most states have a limit of .08 with .02 like less than a beer. Is the .2 measurement strict and is it like this all over China?
thanks
We could do with a good source for this?
Probably best go with the lowest meanwhile!
the confusion is between BLOOD alcohol content and BREATH alcohol content both sometimes called BAC
0.08
http://www.breathalyser.org/BAC_Limit.html
some sources say as low as
0.02
http://www.drinkdriving.org/worldwid...ing_limits.php
http://www.rhinocarhire.com/Drive-Sm...y-Country.aspx
some say
0.03
http://www.driveandstayalive.com/art...BAC-limits.htm
citation: Shanghai Star 2003
yup, ZERO tollerance in China. Like you saw in Felix's post, he wasn't even close to drunk, yet lost his license. Yes, they are usually that strict all over China, except for less developed areas. General rule, if they're checking, they're serious!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian
Yeah i don't actually know what system they use for reference, so i don't know what this 0.2 represents, or therefore how much you can drink before being the limit. I would think that's very low though, since apparently being hungover is still too much.
OK, it's not pretty and the information is confusing, but here's a google translation of a list of ascending BAC levels and associated punishments from the website of a Beijing law firm, with the Chinese original appended below.
It's clear that the first three categories are all based on blood alcohol content (not breath alcohol content) as measured in milligrams per 100 milliliters of blood, but presumably the blood alcohol content can be determined with a breathalyzer. I'm not sure how these figures translate into percentage figures (i.e., 0.2% or 0.02%), since the ratio measures two different units -- mass and volume. (Yes, I studied chemistry and physics in high school, but perhaps I've had enough tipple over the years that I can't remember how to reconcile this, so I'll "take the fifth". :deal:)
It looks like Felix got hit with the lightest penalty, based not on "drunk driving" but merely "driving after drinking". Interesting that this writeup does not discuss the requirement of taking classroom education and a test prior to receiving the license back.
It should not be hard to find this information in the motor vehicle code. Any of you recent test-takers have this info at your fingertips?
er, cheers! :goodtime:
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Penalties for drunk driving standard
1, driving a motor vehicle after drinking alcohol (blood alcohol content of 20mg/100ml <with> more 80mg/100ml <without>) the following at the 500 yuan fine, note 6 points, driver's license withheld 1 to 3 months;
2, drunken driving in the (blood alcohol content of 80mg/100ml more 130mg/100ml < with > below) impose 8 to 10 days detention , recorded 12 points, temporarily driving 5 months, and impose a 1,800 yuan fine ;
3, drunken driving in the (blood alcohol 130mg/100ml above) impose a 13 to 15 days detention, withheld driver's license 6 months and impose a 1,800 yuan fine, remember 12 points;
4, operating motor vehicle after drinking, driving license withheld 3 months, and impose a 500 yuan fine, note 6 points;
5, operation of motor vehicle driving drunk at 13 to 15 days detention, withheld driver's license 6 months and impose a 2,000 yuan fine, remember 12 points;
6, the year due to drunk driving to be punished 2 times more than his license.
7, according to "apply for and use of motor vehicle driver's license requirements" (2006 on 12 May 20 atRepublic of China Ministry of Public Order No. 91 issued number , according to2009 on 12 April 7 days"Ministry of Public Security on the changes < to apply for driving license and use of the provisions of > the decision "amended ) Annex III to the first paragraph (b) provides that, after drinking or drunken driving, a record 12 points; under " to apply for driving license and use of the provisions of "fifty-eighth Article, the provisions shall 2010 on 4 April 1 date Implementation.
link to the original ChineseQuote:
酒后驾车处罚标准
１、饮酒后驾驶机动车的（血液中酒精含量20mg/100ml〈含〉以上80mg/100ml〈不含〉）以下 处500元罚款，记6分，驾照暂扣1至3个月；
２、醉酒后驾驶机动车的（血液中酒精含量80mg/100ml以上130mg/100ml<含>以下的）处以8至10日拘留, 记12分，暂扣驾照5个月，并处1800元罚款；
３、醉酒后驾驶机动车的（血液中酒精含量130mg/100ml以上的）处以13至15日拘留，暂扣驾照6个月，并处1800元罚款，记12分；
４、饮酒后驾驶营运机动车的暂扣驾照3个月，并处500元罚款，记6分；
５、醉酒后驾驶营运机动车的处13至15日拘留，暂扣驾照6个月，并处2000元罚款，记12 分；
６、一年内因醉酒驾车被处罚2次以上的吊销驾照。
７、根据《机动车驾驶证申领和使用规定》(2006年12月20日中华人民共和国公安部令第91号发布,根 据2009年12月7日《公安部关于修改<机动车驾驶证申领和使用规定>的决定》修正)附件三第一条第（二 ）项规定，饮酒后或者醉酒后驾驶机动车，一次记12分；根据《机动车驾驶证申领和使用规定》第五十八条规定 ，本规定自2010年4月1日起施行。
And then there is this, from the Shanghaiist blog:
http://shanghaiist.com/attachments/s...runkdriver.jpg
Quote:
Drunk driving now an auto suspension on your license
Following up on their major drunk driving crackdown earlier this year, China is now introducing a new law that will tighten the rules even further for drink and drive offenders. The new law states that motorists who are caught driving under the influence of alcohol will lose all of their demerit points.
Previously, if caught drink driving, motorists would lose six points on their licenses. Now all 12 points come off and they are immediately suspended from the road. In order to get back on the road, offenders must complete a seven-day course on traffic laws and pay a higher premium on their insurance.
And it's not only drink-drivers that the government is cracking down on. Motorists that drive in the wrong direction, do illegal U-turns or use counterfeit number plates will all have the same punishment; 12 points deducted and suspension of drivers license.
On the other hand, safe drivers will get pats on the back, with insurance rates lowering for every year they stay accident and demerit free.
Statistics from last year suggested that Shanghai road accidents linked with drink driving were almost double that of national average. With 8.3 per cent of fatalities last year being caused by drunk driving compared with 4.3 per cent in previous years, it comes as no surprise that China's Ministry of Public Security is tightening up the laws.
Still, those holding their breath for a sudden change in people's behavior should probably let it out - bad driving, illegal U-turns, overtaking and general bad road etiquette seems to be part and parcel of driving in China.
As, Wang Hongyan, the leader of a ">Shanghai based research team from Tongji University admitted, "Preventing and reducing drunk driving is really a long-term mission."
Not that Wikipedia is my primary source of information, but there is a good summary about BAC.
Generally the readings of a breath tester have to be doubled - 0.02 BrAC converts to 0.044 BAC. Given the Chinese regulation of a 0.02% BAC limit, it is bad news if the breath tester shows over 0.01 BrAC.Quote:
An ethanol level of 0.10% is equal to 22 mmol/l or 100 mg/dl of blood alcohol.[2][3] This same 0.10% BAC also equates to 0.10 g/dL of blood alcohol or 0.10 g/210L of exhaled breath alcohol or 0.476 mg/L of exhaled breath alcohol. Likewise, 0.10 mg/L of exhaled breath alcohol converts to 0.02% BAC, 0.022 g/dL of blood alcohol or 0.022 g/210L of exhaled breath alcohol.
The law, at least the English translation on the Beijing Traffic Bureau website, doesn't state any figures.
Therefore I think the legal limit is zero, but they may tolerate up to 0.02 BAC (<0.01 BrAC) as zero without consequences, over 0.02 to 0.08 BAC it is driving after drinking and over 0.08 BAC it is drunk driving.
Thanks for the information. I didn't realize it was so strict and would be very cautious even after a beer at lunch. Probably the crowd I'm with, but my Chinese friends don't mind getting behind the wheel after a few drinks.
If only the chinese authorities could come up with a way to define crappy driving/riding and clampdown on that!