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Originally Posted by euphonius
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ja du hast Recht, und so ein netter Hintern. I partcuarly wie der Schalldämpfer!Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
Just thought I'd share a price update on a couple of BMW models I'm considering... the single cylinder G650GS (no ABS) is 元99000 incl. tax/fees while the G650GS (ABS) is 元136,200. Meanwhile the twin cylinder F650GS (ABS) (detuned 800cc) is 元198,000 incl. taxes/fees. These prices are out-the-door (just have to pay the applicable license plate and insurance).
BMW Motorrad Retail Price List China 2011
宝马摩托车零售价格/中国大陆地区 2011.08.01开始执行
http://www.roader-bmw.com/service/price_list_2011-1.htm
BMW Motorrad Retail Price List China 2012
宝马摩托车零售价格/中国大陆地区 2012.01.01开始执行
http://www.roader-bmw.com/service/price_list_2012.htm
$50k for a GS adventure . You got to be kidding. And that's with no plates :eekers:
Not sure where to post this item, but here seems good as any.
The geniuses at BMW, whose F650GS was originally a thumper, then became a twin powered by a retarded 800cc engine, not to be confused with the F800GS, which used the same engine without an unretarded ECU, while still producing a G650GS that is actually the old 650cc thumper, though made by Loncin in China, now have cleared up all the confusion by launching a new bike to replace the F650GS that uses the same 800cc engine as the F800GS but with a slightly less retarded ECU that they call -- drum roll please! -- the F700GS!
Confusion dispensed?Quote:
When BMW decided to update the F 650 GS for 2013, it was clearly in a generous mood. The folks in Bavaria gave the street-biased enduro model more horsepower and torque, a shorter gear ratio for quicker acceleration, a second front disc brake, new switchgear and instrumentation, and updated styling. Although displacement of its 798cc parallel twin is unchanged, BMW rechristened the bike as the F 700 GS to dispense with confusion over the model name (though F 750 GS would be closer to the truth). And it did all of this while lowering the base price by $165, to $9,990.
Brilliant!
Tourfella maker Du Rui posts today (via Weixin) that BMW has announced Chinawide, unified retail prices for four bikes:
F700GS 120,000 RMB (I vaguely recall this is an output-retarded mutation of the 800cc twin, as is the F650GS)
R1200GS 200,000 RMB
K1600GT 360,000 RMB
K1600GTL 395,000
Ouch.
These prices were announced at the Shanghai International Car Show, which is ongoing.
cheers
Euphonius
That 元120000 price for the F700GS (twin cylinder) is the base model excluding ABS me thinks. As it is the standard G650GS (single cylinder) was 元99000 while the G650GS (with ABS) was 元136,200 so an additonal 元37200 for the addition of the ABS. If one were to factor in the addition of ABS to the F700GS base price it would amount to somewhere in the vicinity of 元157000 which would seem about right given where the 700 would sit price wise between the G650GS (single), F650GS (twin) and F800GS (twin).Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
Proof will be in the pudding.
Wondering about the release and pricing of the new F8GSADV in China: http://www.bmw-motorrad.com/com/en/i..._overview.html
Sounds like a good long distance touring bike for China's roads..... especially the 2013 limited launch edition model.
ps: had a 30 min. test ride with a BMW1200GS (water-cooled) the other day, nice new bike but large and heavy in my personal opinion.....
Just mentioned about that same bike www.motorcycle.com with Euphonius an hour or so ago. Pricing will be in the 200K+ range I'd suspect. I think it'd be ideal for China, except pricing and servicing options when away from main centres or home base. TIC where a hammer and adjustable wrench on the only tools one needs. As for the 2013 R1200GS being anything but on the lightweight side, TBRacing, you are just to accustomed to your Duc! Not that is a bad thing... anyway the ideal bike seems to be JH600 if only it had ABS... we'll see what comes of the CFMoto/KTM adventurer when it is launched (ETA 411 TBA). 10-4. "click"
Who are the dealers and where are they?
BMWF8GS-ADV as special GS 30th. anniversary colour combo and Nuda 900 engine (more power and very distinctive sound) and BMW can have my deposit any day.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerdoc
BMWF8GS-ADV (regular), did a bit of checking, calling around and looks like the only way to get one is via the well-known parallel bike importers.... 'nuff said.
Well, said it before and saying it again, the JL600's are great bikes as solo / sidecar as long you get the newest version with the improved ECU.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerdoc
The 120K price for the F700GS seemed pretty good, so I went to the Beijing dealer to get the scoop. The guy I chatted with seemed quite knowledgeable and willing to answer my multitude of questions. Here is what I was told:
1) The 120,000 price is a "special" being provided by Germany for a base model. The regular price for the base model is 159,500.
2) This special price was just announced (I guess at the Shanghai car show).
3) It is a 4 month wait time after an order goes in.
4) He had no idea how long this "special" will be offered.
5) The 120K bike is the base model, with no options.
6) The base model includes ABS.
7) He also mentioned that there is another "special", vis a vis the water-cooled R1200GS at 200,000 rmb (regular price is 255,500 for the air/oil cooled bike)
We then had a lengthy discussion about the motorcycle market in China, and he was very informative. I am not sure who he was, but he certainly knew his stuff, spoke pretty good English, and was willing to share lots of details about why BMWs seem to be so expensive in China. For example, I asked how can two equally USA-MSRP-priced bikes (a BMW and a Harley) end up in China with the BMW being 20% - 30% more expensive? Complicated answer, but it completely dispelled my feeling that BMW was somehow gouging Chinese customers. And he was giving more than simple lip service, breaking down a bike's costs, line by line, using an F800GS as an example.
He also went through all the procedures (step by step) of bringing bikes into China and into the end-consumer's hands. Definitely not for the faint of heart, and completely impossible for an individual to do - you need to have a company that is licensed for vehicle imports, as well as several other licenses. One illumination for me was the two-tiered consumer tax system in China (just like Canada, pre-HST) - there is both a federal 10% tax, and a local provincial 10% tax. This explains why used bikes, if sold within the same province do not have sales tax applied, but if sold across provinces do have the receiving province's sales tax applied during registration (same as in Canada).
He then went through the homologation process & costs for each bike, both initially for a model and for the updates - scary stuff.
Bottom line - BMW makes very little (if any) profit on basic bikes. It is very unlikely that you would see a basic bike at a BMW dealer - BMW brings in heavily optioned bikes to sit in their showrooms (the options & service are where the profits are). You would need to special order a basic bike.
Lots more to tell, but will wait for the next no-bike-night in Beijing to fill people in on what I learned.
One final question I asked is ... why do I see at least 20 legal HDs on the road for every legal BMW I see? Actually, the ratio is probably much higher, IMHO, but I didn't want to be too rude. Anyways, according to him, it is all about the "sound" in the Chinese psyche - the HD sound is cool. It announces to the people on the street that you are cool, so that they can watch you ride by. He, himself, owns a several HDs (more than he owns BMWs).
Oh, the BMW G650GS is 105,500 (without ABS) and 125,500 (with ABS) ... Beijing price. The F800GS is 205,500. The top end K1600GTL is 419,500.
Apologies for the long post, but hope it helps any interested parties.
Hey LJH, the two special prcies you refer too (2013 F700GS and R1200GS) were the import taxes and duties added to that, or is that the landed price? Meaning if one went and ordered say the F700GS tomorrow, and 4 months later it finally arrives and gets through customs etc. Would the purchase price be the 120K handed to the official BMW Motorrad dealer plus the applicable consumption & luxury tax? Just curious... ;)
And what is it that you were planning to share at the no bike night there in BJ? PM if more appropriate :D
The 120K for the F700GS is the retail price, including Federal Tax (and everything else), but not the Provincial Tax (10%). The provincial tax is applied to the net selling price (120K retail price minus the embedded federal tax), so it is an effective tax rate of approximately 8.9% on retail.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerdoc
Therefore, to get one out-the-door (in Beijing) you would pay 120K plus 8.9% = 120K *1.089 = 130,680 rmb. Seems not too bad, relatively speaking.
In addition, there would be plates & insurance.
I was going to provide more detail on how importations & bike pricing works in China, according to this BMW guy. He showed me that several of my beliefs about importation & pricing were patently wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerdoc
However, if the planets align themselves this weekend, I just might be riding an Italian masterpiece by next Wednesday. I was going to pull the trigger on a Beemer, but my past (mostly negative) experiences with BMWs back home are still rattling around in my head. I have had really bad luck with that brand, including their cars.
Taking a look at some of the pictures here I couldn't help but notice the uncanny resemblance the F800GSA has to another ride we have seen here on MCM Shineray X5 OK so it's not exactly the same, but the front beak does make the resemblance all the more striking IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by TB-Racing
Attachment 11453
BMW unveils mid-sized 2014 F800GS Adventure
Date: May 6, 2013
WOODCLIFF LAKE, N.J. - BMW Motorrad has announced a new version of the sportiest member of its GS family: the 2014 F800GS Adventure, marking the company’s first midsize Adventure model.
The F800GS Adventure is powered by the liquid-cooled 798cc four-valve twin-cylinder engine featured on the F 800 GS, with electronic fuel injection, a closed-loop catalytic converter and a six-speed transmission. The engine delivers a claimed maximum power of 85 hp at 7,500 rpm, and claimed maximum torque of 61 ft.-lbs. at 5,750 rpm.
Like the F800GS, the Adventure model features tubular steel frame. The rear subframe is reinforced to accommodate a 6.3-gallon tank, which is 2.1 gallons larger than the one found on the F 800 GS, extending the motorcycle’s range by about 100 miles.
Like the F800GS, the Adventure model is equipped with ABS as standard, while further safety and performance-enhancing systems — Automatic Stability Control (ASC) and Electronic Suspension Adjustment (ESA) — are available as factory-equipped options, and in the case of ASC, also as a dealer-installed special accessory.
Attachment 11454
The F800GS Adventure is also available with Enduro mode as part of a package featuring ASC as a factory option. At the push of a button, the rider can increase the slip threshold of the ABS and ASC systems when heading off-road, for improved acceleration and braking on loose terrain.
The F800GS Adventure features new bodywork, a new bench seat, a larger windscreen and new hand protectors. Other new standard features include wide enduro footrests, an adjustable, reinforced foot brake lever, an engine protection bar and a pannier rack that also functions as a tank protection bar.
Other technical differences (the F800GS Adventure versus the F800GS):
- Standard seat height: 35.0 inches versus 34.6 inches
- Low seat height: 33.9 inches versus 33.5 inches
- Low Suspension option: None versus 32.3 inches
- DIN unladen weight: 505 lbs. versus 472 lbs.
- Max load: 496 lbs. versus 507 lbs.
- Dimensions: 90.7 inches by 36.4 inches by 57.1 inches versus 90.6 inches by 36.2 inches by 53.0 inches
- Fuel consumption at 55 mph: 55 mpg versus 62 mpg
The F800GS Adventure will come in two new colors: Sandrover matt and Racing red.
Source: Dealernews
The first small batch of legal imported BMW GS1200 water-cooled has arrived in Shanghai and they are for sale:
http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/us/en/...html¬rack=1
-took one for a test spin again today, get in touch if you want one or need pricing-