You should be able to get the Leatt there are other companies that do the neck brace as well from a American motorcycle online shop cheaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by soberpete
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You should be able to get the Leatt there are other companies that do the neck brace as well from a American motorcycle online shop cheaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by soberpete
G'Day,
Before getting one of the plastic harness would look into the "airbag jackets" on offer: Dainese / Spidi and may be other manufacturers......
Dear SoberPete,
I would do a bit more homework about these braces. I'd be willing to bet that orthopedists, and particularly spine and neck specialists, would have a wide range of opinions about these devices and their potential to help or harm. Just looking at the design, I can imagine they could have the negative effect of forming a fulcrum between your shoulder and head, so in the presence of strong lateral forces the device could have the effect of levering your upper vertabrae apart, with the potential to stress and damage your spinal cord. I have no evidence of this, but just looking at them logically.
At risk of repeating myself with uninvited observations, I'm confused by the scattershot approach you are taking to your own physical safety. As someone else has suggested, look through the endless threads in ADVRider.com, and see what adventure riders are wearing. You will see lots of guys with integrated suits, which have all their armor built in and properly positioned over arms, shoulders, hips and knees. There's probably a fair amount of discussion about strap-on protectors, and the big question will be whether they stay put in a getoff; generally speaking, I suspect they provide at best some protection in the initial impact. But if you get off at speed, you will either tumble or slide. In either case, there are all kinds of forces trying to rip those strap-ons from your body.
Expense is a factor, but safety equipment has to be just as important as your bike itself, actually more important. Each time I visit the US, I dig into Craigslist, which is filled with ads by financially strapped guys who are selling their bike and all their gear, often for a song. Near-new stuff for a quarter of original retail.
Think clearly about the kind of riding you'll be doing, and what kind of protection you'll need for that kind of riding. Then get the right gear and strive to be the best possible rider you can. Gear helps a lot, but is far less important than the skill and judgment and wisdom that comes with experience. (And I speak as a relative newb...)
cheers
These neck braces have been out for a quite a few years now.When they first came out there was quite abit of discussion on the safety side and quite a few opinions like yours.The fact remains people are wearing them still and all say they won't go back many have been in accidents that they say the brace saved their neck so to speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
Yeah possibly he is going abit overboard.I would have just bought a good riding jacket with shoulder and elbow guards in the jacket but he has already gone and bought the gear that he has.As I said I also have a full body armour suit like his it has saved me from injury many a time and no it doesn't move around.I have hit a few trees in my time too and to many get offs to remember .I won't ride with out knee guards or elbow protection even on my trials bike and that is low speed get offs
Dear Euphonius,Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
Apparently the Leatt brace is designed to... well, here's a cut from their website:
With the Leatt-Brace® fitted, the force will instead transfer from the ground to the helmet, through the helmet onto the Leatt-Brace® once contact is made, some of the force will therefore be transferred to the brace and dispersed to the less vulnerable parts of the torso. If the impact is significant enough, the brace is designed to fail in crumple zones (similar to those seen in cars), thereby helping to absorb some of the energy of the impact.
Despite this reassurance I know it won't save someone from everything. I'm still looking at getting one but I know I should check out ADVrider first. That site will take some time to look though:eekers:.
I've glanced at those airbag jackets before but never really investigated them. Does anybody on this site own one?
If you, sir, are relative to a newb then I'm a likely comparable to an unborn fetus.
I've been pretty hasty buying equipment recently. I'm slowing down now and thinking of getting one of those roadcrafter one-peice suits in the future. I believe they have integrated armour and there are even some road-slider Velcro patches that can be added for a little extra cash. Again, I should check out ADVrider first.
G'Day,Quote:
Originally Posted by soberpete
A while ago the SPIDI lifestyle shop Shanghai (Pubei Road) had two black Spidi "airbag" jackets on display.
Highly recommend to try the AEROSTICH Roadcrafter suits if you have a chance before ordering, have two riding buddies here in Shanghai and they ordered over the internet last year and both had to exchange them several times due to fitment issues (sizing).....
They are happy with the one piece AEROSTICH suits after the fitment issue were sorted.
Pete, those neck braces are generally used for dirt biking and downhill mountain biking, I wouldn't bother with one on a road bike personally.
ZMC888 is right.Plus the Chinese will look at you funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZMC888
I don't care how they look at me.
Yeah, um not wanting to wear dirt biking impact protection is just a massive compromise on safety if you ride a road bike with no intention of going off road?Quote:
ZMC888 is right.Plus the Chinese will look at you funny. I don't care how they look at me.
To not explore the dirt roads is just sacrilege.Well up here it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZMC888
Plus most of the tar roads may as well be dirt roads the way they are cut up.
We ride in the city on mostly very smooth tarmac. Shandong is fairly wealthy and industrial. We go for long rides on very twisty mountain roads which are usually concrete or tar. Nearly all our get-offs have been low-side sub 50 km/h hair-pin drops that are caused by gravel or sand on a tar surface or by us riding beyond the ability of our tires. We need mostly a mixture of impact and abrasion protection. Suggesting clothing best suited to motocross or enduro racing is not helping Pete decide on the best protection for his particular needs.Quote:
To not explore the dirt roads is just sacrilege.Well up here it is.
Plus most of the tar roads may as well be dirt roads the way they are cut up.
What does Pete ride on or plan to ride on.Then maybe we can point him in the right direction but he has already bought most of his gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZMC888
Just because you ride on very smooth tarmac and I would ride on smooth to cut up tar to hard core dirt perhaps both of us might be wrong to suggest safety gear.
I see you live in the same city so yeah go and get maybe some full one piece leathers Maybe. Be a shame to spend all your time riding around Zibo though.
Did you actually bother to read my posts. Here is a quote from one "I will probably get one if and when I go back.Riding dirt bikes I think they are another thing to guard off injury as I come off abit.I don't know if I would use it just riding on the road."Quote:
Originally Posted by ZMC888
I think Pete is intelligent enough to make his own decisions hey.
We are both married with young children so its pretty hard to escape outside of Shandong, so I know where Pete will be riding. The summer gets very hot here, so as good protection as leather is, maybe just too hot. I think Kevlar jeans with pads under them and a mesh or leather jacket.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdamo
Why didn't you tell him that before he went and bought all that gear.I'd say it is a strong bet that you know and ride with each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZMC888
So if Pete has young children I can see why he is going all out to get the best safety protection he can buy the alternative is giving up riding for a while.Lost a friend who had a young daughter when he was racing bikes.Looking back wasn't worth the loss especially for his family.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZMC888
Yes we know each other well and ride together, sorry for not making that more open. He decided to buy that gear without asking me my opinion. Actually the boots, helmet and gloves make complete sense. The body armor is more for dirt biking, but it is worth some impact protection, and some slower speed abrasion protection. Given the availability in this area, the cost, and the very hot weather in the summer it's a fairly good buy. If you look at most cheaper mesh road jackets and pants those pads are exactly the same as what is sewn in.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdamo
Thank you Bigdamo and thank you ZMC888 for your considerate posts. I almost feel like you guys were fighting over me :sissyfight:.
Honestly though, thanks. Protection is valuable, especially for guys with a family to support.
The gear I have now is far from the best but, to some extent, it'll protect me from what I'm most likely to encounter: Medium to low speed slides while leaning into a nice, big corner on a clear, wide, smooth tarmac road that's unfortunately been littered with the extra sand and rocks that were loaded onto the back of a lorry drivers vehicle in his attempt to make a few extra rmb per run. I can't blame him though; he get's paid extra for doing it and nobody will stop him; it's just sh1tty that my path meet's with his.
My mesh vest and under-shorts can be considerably cool in the summer and worn under leather in the winter. The boots and helmet are good through any season. I'm holding back on the neck-brace for now; I don't do any off-road riding or large jumps and I only ride a 250cc... for now. Once I get a better pair of gloves I think I'll be set.
I love this place. Feels more like a family than a community.Quote:
Originally Posted by soberpete
That's exactly how I feel too, Slabo. :goodtime:Quote:
Originally Posted by slabo