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Re: Jialing Honda 230 223 Enduro EFI
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euphonius
Dear MJH,
Do you have pictures of the Jialing 250 (223)? I'm a bit confused about this. Is it an OEM bike, or Jialing branded?
thanks
Hi there, been to a dealer at Xiaojiahe (肖家河) yesterday and seen the JH250GY-5 there. It is actually labelled JH150GY-5 (an attempt to fool inspectors at the vehicle inspetion bureau?)
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I had a short testride (maybe 1km) and I was quite impressed:
6 gear transmission
digital rev, gear and fuel indicator
more sophisticated rear shock (compared to the JH150GY-3) even though the rear felt harder than on my old Jialing
contoured and more comfortable seat
very quiet and smooth engine
I asked them many times if it is carburetted or EFI and they insisted that it has a carburettor. From all I could see (and know) it seems like it has a carburettor because I could not see the typical injection valve or wires. But the carb seems much more complicated than on my old bike. The bike lacks a kickstarter (even though the Jialing website states it comes with electric and kick-start) and a choke.
The bike in general feels even more nimble and agile than the JH150GY-3. The handle bar is very low (raisers will be in order). It has slightly less ground clearance and still lacks a skid plate. It has much more torque and a slightly (2,5l) bigger tank (but considering the higher displacement, reach might be just the same).
They told me the bike would be 13600,- without registration or insurance.
It looks disgusting in pale blue but interesting in orange/yellow.
I immediately fell in love with it but I am still confused about the EFI/carburetter issue. Also, it is a new model and there is no information about the bike on motorfans. So I rather wait until spring before I make a final decision...
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Here is the translation, from that thread, I did not edit it so it requires some interpretation.
A total of 300,500,700,900 four grades. Among them, CBi700 with 223cc, EFI, 18-pole motor, is expected to carry the the Jialing new wing Xia recent market.
About CBi: CBi explains the three definitions (i, i, injection, intelligent) performance reflects the role of driving experience, perfect -
① i - I, motorized vehicles and one car moving with me, the car move your feet, stressed engine response, emphasis on user experience, with emphasis in power, sound, vibration, shift characteristics;
② injection - injection, understanding for EFI;
③ intelligent - smart, intelligent engine.
The CBi latest power platform for the the Jialing upcoming layout in the core product, covers the ladder line CBi 300-CBi 900, shows the the Jialing products rich -
CBi 300: carburetor basic, cf Honda the OTR;
CBi 500: carburetor high with type, such as balance shafts, VVC;
CBi 700: EFI type, or AMT basic type;
CBi 900: EFI + CAN bus or AMT type electronic technology;
CBi is the fourth generation of the engine with the latest Jialing, has a number of high-end technology of the motorcycle engine, technically has a "high-energy ignition system the crankshaft eccentric technology", "six transmission shifting," piston to force back the cold , ultra-lightweight technology, duct cooling of the cylinder head, the external file display system, 18-pole magnetic motor power supply system and built-in mute balance shaft system lead
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This is getting downright silly. First they labeled this bike a 250cc, though noting it displaces only 223cc, and now it's a 200cc -- JH200GY-5A.
It sure seems to be the same bike that Fahni saw, rode and posted about earlier in this thread, back in October.
WTF?
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JH200-8, I like the blue and white graphics on this model.
It also has the 700i engine, which is 223cc.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...ng/JH200-5.jpg
The above hyperlink is in Chinese, however it translates to English reasonably well. It offers some insight as to the direction Jialing is going, they are eliminating part counts by modularization.
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They can also go vertical, these are horizontal lines. That being they share the 700i engine.
Then a vertical model line would share the same parts but have different engines.
I would like to work on a standard that would be an addition to the GY and Sport bike in a 700i model line.
This is a CB223 Honda.
http://cdn.autos.goo.ne.jp/protoucar...0021503000.jpg
It could be in the horizontal line with the 700i engine and also in a vertical line with smaller displacement engines. That would offer the greatest economy of scale, that sharing of common parts does that and is referred to as modulariztion.
In manufacturing, ideally we reduce part counts while increasing the number of models. If done correctly and creatively the results offer more options to more customers.
Then we also enjoy homologation, that being able to manufacture a single model or even an entire line of models that meet all standards in all markets. They are pursuing that as well, they are pursuing high quality and also flexible fuel and clean running.
Another matter the Chinese can consider is that of after market custom parts, they can make these and sell them to separate distributors, the cottage taobao businesses could be supported through such endeavors. .However Jialing really needs to stop selling online and only offer their models and standard parts through a formally managed and corporate trained retail dealer network. Those dealers need to be linked relationally through a centralized software driven data driven managed warehouse. The key to that is coding and understanding relational databases.
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Why can't they just bore it out to 249?
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There are big bore and other performance parts for the actual Honda engine, but we both know they are not they same engines but they may be interchangeable, they could go back and start making the RFVC 250 but that would be risky for them.
They have to learn to walk and walk straight before they can increase the gait. Seriously they need to get organized in the value chain.
Boring out can bring about heat dispensation problems....those that do modification know they stress the engines out, but they also love to work on them then they have to meet emissions, we all live in the world we live in and not the one we wish for...right?
I am trying to determine if I am influencing or just forecasting...or maybe both or maybe neither...dunno.
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I believe Xinyuan should consider what Jialing is doing with its RFVC 400, that being offer a horizontal model line based on their 400cc engine.
This 223cc is or may be more versatile for both street and modest off roading, it is just an upgraded commuter. It is actually what I like seeing them do, but I would like to see more evidence of real high quality manufacturing and after sales support, before I see more power and displacement.
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Jialing is offering some images of the JH200-8 on their Turkish website. But are not offering it as a current model yet or any other details.
They are offering a few 150 models priced around $1,600.00
Here are some more images.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...ing/3982_3.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...ing/3983_5.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...ing/3986_7.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...ing/3981_4.jpg
I would say that Jialing is readying these bikes for the markets, they are assembling bike in south America they have a solely owned operation in Columbia. They are not rushing anything they are only offering very simple basic models and all under the Jialing name.
These are obviously going to be the next offerings and they are not bad looking. In markets like Turkey and South America they will likely sell allot of them.
It looks Nice and Comfortable.
Image Search
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Jailing's partner for distribution in Turkey is Ozdemir.
This is a 150 model being offered in Turkey.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...ing/3954_1.jpg
Not a bad get around bike for $1,600.00 USD.
I am kind of anxious to see what they offer the 223 versions for it seems that Turkey may be the test market for the initial bikes? I am not sure why the model name is going back and fourth I've seen the
700i models being displayed as 200,223 and 250? What matters is it a good engine? I read close to 17hp and also that it has a balance shaft and it does also have a 6th gear. I am not personally looking for race bikes out of china or even a motocross at this stage. Only commuter bikes and this engine seems very good to me if it is smooth and has good acceleration. .
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So it seems like the new CBi 700 engines come with ECUs from Delphi. Good news or bad news?
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I do not think for a minute that the Jialing initiatives will be that fruitful. I assume they are developing these engines in an attempt to compete in Brazil. They will not do well in China because the Chinese industry is cheating itself, it has high levels of unenforceable regulations. They likely will sell well in some EU markets obviously Turkey is seen as the best of those.
It has a Delphi EFI and that is the same brand used by HD, it comes from or through the same channels. I suspect that HD and Delphi work well together as for Jialing and Delphi, I doubt they do. Most American companies do business with the Chinese and all say they wish they did not have to.
I believe that Delphi has only been offering its products to the Chinese motorcycle industry since 2008?
KTM pretty much demonstrated how to effectively capitalize on emerging markets through India. They identified sweet spots in the markets and built to capitalize on those. I really do not see a 223cc air cooled engine being a sweet spot in any market, its a high end commuter bike. Compared to the KTM Dukes it is not going to get any serious attention in any markets. Not to say it is not a decent offering it is just not anything revolutionary and it has no real big target audience in an particular markets.
Is it a 125cc learner targeted at Europe, is it a 200cc pocket rocket targeted inside of India.
A 223cc EFI bike offered up in China would get some attention but only if it was very low cost and really reliable and in that well supported, ifs and ands were pots and pans, who cares they are so hard to take serious.
I think the 223cc bikes are alreight, but who get access and what will the prices be? That is the most common question asked by the Chinese audience, they all seem to be saying stop with all the singing and dancing just offer the bikes already, also do not ask a fortune for them as we already do not trust any of you.
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This is the bike I would want with the 223cc engine, with set of upside down forks and a disk brake in front.
3.00 18” tire in front and 3.50 18” in back. I do not care if it has EFI or not, I like the 223cc engine with a sixth gear and also a balance shaft.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...5082299e57.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...d49fd1db75.jpg
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i am just looking for a light and nimble offroad bike for touring and the 223gy would be exactly what iam looking for if it was really reliable. after all the stories abut the jh600 controll units it does not seem very likely. but i think tonremember that the jh 600 units were provided by bosch...?
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I am fairly sure that the Wonjan GN250-C has a Delphi EFI and also the Qianjiang V250 also use Delphi.
These companies pay at least five figures to get a prototype, I believe that is on paper and from the technical data they provide on the engines to Delphi. Then consult probably cost more from there into configuring a working model and also training or developing training etc.
You would not have any troubles with the people at Delphi, but the other side that is forever convoluted.
http://delphi.com/manufacturers/auto...gas/ems/small/
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Jialing will be offering new models this year, the 200 is actually a 180cc and the 250 is a 223cc.
That explains the JH200, its actually a 180cc.
Not sure but believe this says the 223cc will be offered in May 2013 and the 180cc in Sept 2013?
and the prices will be $2,057.00 USD/12800 RMB for the 250 models.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...ng/223-180.jpg
The dual sport also has a release date of March 2013
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...ialing/223.jpg
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Honda has been manufacturing motorcycles in China since 1982, currently has over 20,000 employees within its sixteen joint ventures. In 2010 Honda manufactured 1,580,000 motorcycles in China.
Jialing is a Honda partner, however the are not manufacturing Honda branded motorcycles.
Wuyang is a Honda partner and they manufacture this bike in China.
Cargo 150
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...77b81e9d60.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...661d020b2c.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...74656c54f9.jpg
I personally think that the Cargo with a 223cc engine and Honda PGM-FI with some more upgrades could be a top seller globally, upside down forks, disk front brake. Honda is not developing the 223cc engine in China, or it does not seem to be at this time. Jialing however is developing that engine they may want to consider offering it in a more utilitarian form like the Cargo.
Honda does manufacture a standard with that 223cc engine, the CB223, however the Cargo has some attributes the CB223 does not. A larger fuel tank for one and also the dual rear shocks are more fitting on this style bike.
A cargo with a two passenger seat would be more appealing to some. Basically a combination of the two would likely appeal to many. The larger tires of the CB223 and disk brake. The same seat and rear fender as the CB223 but thicker .
http://www.batting-dome.com/honda/img/cb223.jpg
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Graham
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This also looks good, is it a Chinese bike? in the word that it is available in China?
What is the cc ?
Ball park figure for pricing?
Gra.
This is a Hero motorcycle available in India.
For more details refer to
http://www.autocarindia.com/Review/2...o-impulse.aspx
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Hello friends.
In October happens in the Hall Two Wheels Brazil, Wednesday motorcycling. The Traxx, the company that sells the bikes Brazil Jialing present the TRS 230. Will be sold in Brazil in 2014. Hugs!:thumbsup:
http://motociclismo.terra.com.br/img...to_640x408.jpg
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I got the bike!
I got the Jialing 223 enduro model. It is a second hand one, first registered more than a year ago. BUT: it is carburetted instead of EFI. I had ordered a new one last year but the reply from the factory always was: not out yet, will be available soon....
It is strange: the engine seems to work fine, also with EFI, in the street models. And the enduro frame seems a good build as well. So why can't they bring the EFI enduro model to the streets?
Don't have time to thoroughly test the bike until beginning of May but first impression is goooood. Very smooth engine and transmission.
More insights in a months' time.
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You can buy these new in china now, they are probably selling quite a few of them. Jailings ventures in Brazil and Turkey are failing miserably. Jialings management is simply not that insightful or creative and also seem to not have a good understanding of economics either. Basically they suck.
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http://www.jialingcolombia.co/wp-con...regaleria2.jpg
Jialing is offering its X-Fire in Columbia for $2,600.00
The distributor in Columbia is Zagacol , they are also distributing for Qingqi and UM, under the manufacturers brand names individually.
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Símbolo de versatilidade, resistência e mobilidade, o modelo Fly, on/off-road, da moto Traxx ganhou mais cilindradas para a versão 2015. Agora, além de novo design, vem equipada com um poderoso motor de 223cc. A Fly 250, um dos poucos modelos no mercado dentro dessa categoria sente-se em casa nas estradas de terra do interior ou no asfalto polido das grandes capitais.
A Fly 250 possui motor quatro tempos injetada, com potência de 16 HP a 7000 rpm, torque de 1,7 kgfm a 6000 rpm, monocilíndrico, com comando único no cabeçote (OHC) e duas válvulas. O torque acentuado do motor pode ser sentido nas arrancadas vigorosas. Mesmo em rotações baixas, a Fly 250 apresenta bastante força para vencer obstáculos em terrenos off-road ou, quando usada na cidade, garante maior economia, por não precisar constantes trocas de marchas.
http://imgsapp.diariodepernambuco.vr...606942431u.jpg
| 8,890.00 BRL |
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3,092.96 USD |
Symbol of versatility, strength and mobility, Fly model, on / off-road, new for 2015. Now, in addition to new design, is equipped with a powerful 223cc engine. The Fly 250, one of the few models on the market within this category feels at home in the interior on the dirt roads or polished asphalt of the great capitals.
The Fly 250 has an injected engine, with a power of 16 HP at 7000 rpm, torque of 17 Nm at 6000 rpm, a single cylinder, with single overhead camshafts (OHC) and two valves. The engine torque can be felt. Even at low speeds, the Fly 250 has enough strength to overcome obstacles in off-road terrain or when used in the city, ensures greater economy, by not needing constant gear changes.
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They also upgraded in 2014 the Work 125, which has a 133cc engine with 10.2hp.
http://imgsapp.diariodepernambuco.vr...949391183a.jpg
| 4,399.00 BRL |
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1,533.11 USD |
I am so pleased to see prices in Brazil that are not out of alignment with a global mean, in the past I have seen prices that were well above the global mean price for similar offerings.
