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Wonjan is part of China South Industry group, they are
Chongqing Wangjiang Industrial Co., Ltd. (CWIC)
They rank 29th overall in total production and 35th in exports.
It is actually a three party JV.
Look at their numbers they are not shrinking they are actually growing, both in production and also exports over last year. Both exports and production are up 75%.
As of June 2012 CHONGQING wangjiang Motorcycle Manufacturing Co., Ltd.
Posted a 56.13% gain in production over the same period last year.
They now rank 30 out of the top 50 motorcycle manufactures, they grew while the entire industry shrunk 11%.
Wonjan is currently holding the the 33 rank out of the top 50 producers in China.
They also made some changes on their website.
http://www.wonjan.cn/
They have this bike front and center, however they advertise it on Alibaba with a 172FMM engine and then provide specification for a 250cc engine, the list the engine as the 172FMM and then that it is a 150cc with 10Kw for power.
http://pic.58.com/images/yellow/1292...8821446147.jpg
There are not many images of the bike, its another CBR250R knock off, claiming it has a Suzuki engine and then not offering any accurate details is really bad adverting. Then they add all sorts of extraneous information pictures of people? Who cares! Even the detailed pictures are so bad.
Here is the actual specs of that engine.
http://image.cn.made-in-china.com/2f...A6WJ150-16.jpg
I really doubt that the engine offers 13hp, the Haojue HJ150-9 and EN150 only have 11.4 and 11.9 hp and those are their top of the line 149cc offerings.
Wonjan really needs to change its business practices, they leave off any specification on the enterprise website and then their marketing channels are exaggerating the engines.
It is possible that this engine is different, but without some actual documentation and details it can be assumed it is not.
Wonjan has a feedback Q and A section on its website, it is in Chinese…
This comment I found humorous, or at least the translation.
I think the screen name choice is rather preemptive.
http://www.wonjan.cn/feedback/
Your wife is a negative message:
2013-3-8 9:38:10
How even the specific parameters of the models are not! ! !
Re:
Hello! If you want to know the model parameters, you can contact the dealer or Wangjiang Marketing!
Here's charming representative of Wonjan's low-end offer - WJ 50 C.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMcT4k_0wdM
I've seen different versions of this design from several manufacturers, but this Wonjan's white has its own charm.
Oh I know Russians love those, they are very nice, that one even has a front disk brake.
Well, not those, but countless Honda CD clones, as they call them - "Alphas".
This one is made out of same parts, but with different (sturdier) frame, tank, seat and side covers. Extra 50 bucks for this bike, how much they are more expensive than those CD clones, IMO, are money well spent.
I must admit that this design is not always as interesting as this Wonjan's. Most of them have no electric starter, spokes wheels with drum brakes, chrome fenders and that ridiculous crush bar, whose lower part is fixed to the cylinder - http://shuangshimotor.en.alibaba.com...motorbike.html .
Oh, not to forget: if we can believe what it says on Alibaba, Wonjan would sell even single WJ 50-C.
Yeah those are not bad, Wonjan and Jialing both make decent versions of that type bike and sell a lot of the them. Honda brought back the CD50 / CD90 in 1998 for domestic sale, not sure what years they made them after that though. The CD90 had 7.1 hp so it would zip along for sure.
http://picture.goobike.com/870/87003...2080700100.jpg
There is that Thai manufacturer Tiger Motors, that makes a very nice replica. There website has been down for ever.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...iger/white.jpg
Could add another $150 and get a WJ100-H.
The WJ100-H has a cradle frame.
Brand new - Wonjan WJ 300 R: http://wonjan.en.alibaba.com/product...e_WJ300R_.html
http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v1/955...acing_Bike.jpg
This "Space Ranger" is, excluding some small, easily fixable details, is adorable! :riding:
It looks to me that they used Kawasaki KLX 300 based engine (does someone else in China makes them except Loncin?), but still, "Wonjan" guys are insisting on the old "Suzuki engine technology" mantra.
They have more....
GS versions 21800 Yuan...$3,550.00
http://pic.58.com/images/yellow/1292...6605888535.jpg
NK version 19800 Yuan $3,230.00 USD
http://pic.58.com/images/yellow/1292...3782388762.jpg
Wonjan should hire some professional marketing personnel. They also could benefit from some channel marketing consulting, they are improving but still have ways to go. Those brochres should be entire HTML pages and with details linked into them.
That engine is far from the ideal engine for that style bike, its dirt bike engine.
The price at retail should reflect that and actually does.
I can imagine an Italian firm may perhaps have an issue with this bike design Attachment 11801
You mean a German company since Audi owns Ducati, so it be their complaint. They likely laughed at them, with a 26hp Kawasaki single.
Pretty ballsy of Wonjan….but these are not exact replicas by no means.
Calling the models Space Rangers is so counter productive its hilarious….they really do have no clue beyond just imitating others, they have no idea do they.
I would like to test ride them though just for curiosity if they actually managed to make a bike worth ridding. Its kind of an abomination knowing what it really is.
Ballsy or not, but finally someone, besides "Faishen" (and maybe CCM), remember to use that engine on their motorcycle (which is, for itself, quite OK).
I did give them the benefit of being a pre audi design but it seems that the 848 is still in production/Selling through old stock!Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
Space ranger is an awful name! it's a shame that they've simply found an engine that is big but not actually acknowledged how it's going to affect the ride. The design is a nice one to take inspiration from though!
I like them....
http://img.newmotor.com.cn/UploadFil...0529095938.jpg
More photos surfaced...
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The street fighter is still in production and so is the Supebike and are what the Wonjan bikes look very similar too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducati_Streetfighter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducati_848
http://www.ducatiusa.com/bikes/stree...2/tech_spec.do
Both are current offerings on the Ducati website
These are really poser bikes, they are not bad looking though, but considering what they are they will not likely be big sellers.
I would rather have something all its own and not something pretending to be something else, it’s a 300cc single and would sit better in a simple frame, that type of engine is really good for a light weight bike. A bike designed for filtering in traffic.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...a8e79287b5.jpg
Who would get into a street fight with only 26hp?
Those behind the Space Rangers should get off the Opium.
IMO, if "Wonjan" manages to pump out enough bikes, make them available (they are already affordable - factory asks app. 2,000 euros for naked one) on the market, in showrooms in your neighborhood - they will manage to sell more than enough bikes and make a significant profit. I am sure that the worldwide market is saturated and tired of the faceless, slim, 150 cc "bicycles", which are the backbone of the production of practically all Chinese factories. I know that I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
It will be interesting to see how they do with selling these.
Look how cocked up the EFI looks on the GN-250-C.
http://www.i-motor.com.cn/data/attac...rjrbxdd5jp.jpg
What? It's accessible for the maintenance. :icon10:
that Wonjan WJ300 reminds me off a Ducati streetfigter mixed with a Kawasaki ER-6N frame and swingarm, very interesting to say the least.
Kennon
The brochure is too small to read….it is very annoying, I would like to know the weight. How goofy could they be to post brochures online that cannot be read? Seriously I still suspect opium is involved, how else can you explain that.
The swing arm and rear shock look just like the ER6-N, so does the fuel tank.
http://kawazr7.home.xs4all.nl/motor/...n_right_01.jpg
All the foregoing is just one reason that Chinese manufacturers, for all their volume in China, are just not taken seriously in the West. It is glaringly obvious most of the companies have no real passion for motorcycles or motorcycling and just grab onto any other manufacturer's designs and copy, in most cases, VERY badly. That said, can anyone explain how it is that most Chinese manufacturers have models powered by either copies of the 1973 Honda CB125 (OHC) engine, or the 1976 CD125 (push-rod) engine? Did the Chinese Government/Military buy the blue-prints and then supply them to any Chinese manufacturer that wanted them? The great thing about that is that if you are riding around China on a bike with one of those engines, especially the CD copy, you can get parts ANYWHERE. Every town has someone who can fix them (on the odd occasion they break down) or supply parts. I don't know if I'd like to go adventuring in China on some more recent copy of a Japanese bike though.
Who knows, you could write a book on it, however it would be censored by the government, filled with rumors and conjecture, it would never really be totally accurate.
So, like the Obama and Bush administrations in the USA then?
Now we know, BIG Brother is listened (and reading), and is based in the USA. Good to see the Brazilians and Turks doing something about their traitors, but in the USA, home of the formerly free and once were brave, barely a peep. A frightened populace
I am not sure if the Chinese gov't was involved, but my guess is a couple of major players got the blueprints, and there were many suppliers making bikes for the major companies who made the same bikes under their own brand name. Hibird comes to mind from several years back, and their association with Lifan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rewi Alley
Carl visited Qingqi, and pretty much said how they are essentially a motorcycle mfg. first and foremost, without much passion from the management team for motorcycles.