So, what repair manual do you guys suggest
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So, what repair manual do you guys suggest
This seems too much like Cagiva Raptor.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
That is a Cagiva, that is what is made in the factory that once made the Aermacchi motorcycles, Cagiva is who Harley Davidson sold off the Aermacchi factory to, it was bought by MV Augusta /Cagiva, that now makes the Raptor. It has nothing do with Jiajue.
Seems that Jiajue has a distributor in the Ukraine, GEON. They are offering two bikes with the Zongshen 249cc water cooled single, it is a SOHC 4-Valve
Geon Tossa
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...033faeb3b8.jpg
Geon Issen
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...238e46639c.jpg
The Iseen could have black forks and also a cover for the aluminum radiator, who wants to see all the little bent over fins? They could make a louver cover for it, something otherwise it is not a bad looking bike.
The Tossa is just a CBR250 clone.
Prices: 29,340 RPH = $3,602.00 USD
Tossa? Are you freaking serious? :lol8::lol8::lol8:
Don't sell in Britain 'Hello you Tossa' everywhere you go.
Tossa not Tosser, a Tossa is a expression that describes a person that did not shake the dice before a roll. A Tosser is a Wanker or a noun form of the verb as in wank/toss. In America it be the equivalent of a Jack off.
But your right for the UK it be to close.
Yes, Ukrainian importer, company "Svitmoto" offered to customers those bikes at the end of the winter, they were mentioned in Geon forum ( http://geon-club.com.ua/forum/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=2866 ), but it seems that there is still no buyers.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
You did not see all. Combing Russian and Ukrainian moto forums, I found a lot of interesting names for motorcycles: Zonder Gans (when you pronounce it, sounds like german words Sonder Hans (Special Hans)), Defiant Cizeta (this Cizeta is so similar to word Chezeta, how are, long ago, nickanamed chech ČZ bikes), Eriskay Marlboro, Nexus Roar, Bonez, Musstang, Lizard Lux, Alphamoto Harley (mini chopper with horizontal engine). For me are particularly funny names written in Latin script, apparently transliterated Russian or Ukrainina words; for me, that is lingustic fornocation: Viper Zubr (OK, Viper is venomous snake, but Zubr means bison, so we got the creature which was not devised even in Greek mythology), Korsar (Corsair), Irokez (Iroquois), Sintez (Synthesis), Hors (I hope that the one who "baptized" this bike, was reffering to sun god in Slavic mythology, not simply left out the letter "e" at the end of word).Quote:
Originally Posted by ZMC888
The Issen is being advertised for less at $3,499.00
http://makeevka.don.slando.ua/obyavl...a-ID6BKGx.html
Issen has no real meaning, but has some possible interpretations. A one hit kill,
http://onimusha.wikia.com/wiki/Issen
Worth a penny
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issen_gorin
Is the manufacturing of these Honda copies a Chinese motorcycle industry cooperative initiative? They are all collectively making these simultaneously? It is the oddest damn thing.
I like the approach that Jiajue is taking to the market, they primarily sell scooters and added 250cc motorcycles.
They offer motorcycles versions with either the Zongshen 250 which seems to be getting some traction in the markets. They also offer a DOHC 4-valve single 250.
Close to 30hp for some of these engines, which means that they are not under powered. They also both have 6 speed gear boxes so they will not vibrate too much at higher speed cruising.
I personally would like to see a less assuming design, for the engines.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...bbd95d17a2.jpg
This a revision of a Sanglas, a once Spanish brand,. the original had an air cooled engine. It is a simple and unassuming design. This is the work of Oberdan Bezzi, he really does not want the design to be recreated with Chinese parts, he even states that in his comments on the proposed rendition. He wants it to be robust.
I personally believe it could be made in China and also made robust, I think it could use either the NX250 engine,or the Zongshen NAC250 or even the Loncin 300cc, certain details could be taken from other models, one for sure would be the headlight and gauges off an early model Suzuki GS125.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...11gs125m-1.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...gs125d09-1.jpg
Certain element of the design should not be lost, the air box extends forward to cover the carburetor, the radiator is shrouded, the rendition that Oberdan offers has a 660 Yamaha single, I believe that a 30hp single in such a design would suffice.
I am pretty sure that Jiajue is partnering with Asiawing, they share some models.
Jiajue spawned Motrac that spawned PEDA, seems they are considering or attempting to offer the 450cc single that Asiawing makes into their sport bikes?
http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j0...er-Cooling.jpg
Jiajue did have a 450cc prototype they have circulating at trade shows.
Seems that neither Asiawing or Jiajue are committed to the 450cc version, however the people behind PEDA seem to think it will be something they will be offering? It is queer the way they are pretending to be Italian or maybe some Italians are bind PEDA, which is a stupid brand name.
WK seems to like the N10, but not for the 250 they are taking it as entry level 125cc, they actually knocked the ugly off it.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...a62581f74c.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...b69080916f.jpg
Bike is not on the WK website yet though, they do have the faired models though in 125cc versions.
http://www.wkbikes.com/50cc_motorbik...Motorbikes.htm
PEDA seems to have other names in other markets? Like Tauris?
http://www.taurismoto.de/de/default_tauris_de.php
http://www.tc-motoshop.si/si/page/group/grp/1325/o/12/
In the UK they are sold under WK Bikes along with re-branded CFMOTO, Shineray and CPI models.
WK Bikes toned down the 650i with a white and black version.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...4acfcf01a4.jpg
The Jiajue N10 is kind of a cheaper little brother.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...6f108df13a.jpg
Seems that CFMOTO really missed the mark when not offering a 125cc single for the UK market. The leader and V-Night are 150cc and are not marketable as a learner bike in the UK.
The engine they developed should have been developed as a engine family…125-200cc and the goal would be to keep the hp to liter ratio consistent to that of the 149cc if that could be attained the range would then offer 12-20 hp and have a higher level of marketability.
A 20hp 200cc bike would compete with what will be coming out of India in a couple years, bikes like the KTM 200 Duke.
Rebranding does not help - from what I can read in the local motorcycle forums, "Peda", regardless of the "Italian connection" which is often emphasized, makes scooters, according to various local scooter mechanics, that we should go around them in a wide berth.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
Well the English version website is an abomination for sure, the Italian site is better.
I think this 2 stroke 50cc is slick.
Jaijue Vogue
http://www.jiajue.com/uploadfiles/pr...1617112540.JPG
PEDA School
http://www.pedamotor-italia.com/imma...a-2-grande.jpg
I do not suspect the Jiajue scooters are total crap, PEDA seems to have been around since 2004.
I also think that their distribution network outside of Italy is weak.
I would not mind one of these if it could top out at close to 40mph it be fine for getting around. I also like the Benelli PEPE
http://axismy.files.wordpress.com/20...x125-small.jpg
No, slick was/is his ancestor Aprilia Scarabeo 50. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
These clones are simply not able to "spoil" ingenious design. As far as I could see, this same design uses several Chinese factories - for example, "Kinbo" from Shanghai, powered with a standard GY-6 clones (50-125-150cc).
If you only knew what a flood of these scooters "con ruote alte" began after introduction of this 50cc Scarabeo - Italjet Torpedo, Malaguti Centro, Atala Carosello, Honda SH, Piaggio Liberty...
That 50cc two-stroker "Chinarelli", with some tweaking and affordable performance parts, can reach up to 50 mph.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
But the fuel economy is not one of his strong points... :sad:
I missed that these are copies of the Aprilia
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/cro...100_600x0w.jpg
You know the Jiajue N10 is copy of the SYM T2 for the most part.
http://cdn.autos.goo.ne.jp/protoucar...1111900100.jpg
KINBO is not a factory though, they are a trading company, a wholesaler.
They are selling Jiajue and some other manufacturers, like Lifeng.
They are already making copies of the new Honda Super Cub.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...06759e2b78.jpg
They could make the cross CUB
http://www.newsbeast.gr/files/1/2013/03/15/CC110_8.jpg
It sounds much better, when you say that the design Jiajue is a copy Honda CB1000R design. :icon10:Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
I'm tired of "who is who in C-moto industry". :gaah:Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
I know this one on the top, black and white cub, is also seened on the Andes motos website, named Tango 110. And what is more interesting, branded as Gilera, I suppose, the one from Argentine.
Andes, gets the award for making its own design…in its PUMA 200.
http://www.kingtonmotor.com/images/p...9111054446.jpg
And also in its Jaguar 200
http://www.kingtonmotor.com/images/p...9121572431.jpg
Be careful asking for originals?
WK Bikes has added the Jiajue N10 125, the bike has a 125cc OHV water cooled engine made by Lifan.
WK SP125N
http://www.wkbikes.com/images/125N-RED.jpg
WK sells bikes manufactured by Jiajue, Shineray and CFMOTO.
Jiajue added it C8 Tomahawk to its website.....that is the copy of a KTM Duke that showed up in Milan.
http://www.jiajue.com/proInfo.aspx?id=372
Motrac added their copy of the Honda Grom mini to its website.
http://www.motrac.cn/products_detail...099315740.html
in addition to a copy of the Honda CRF450 (Asia Wing)
WK has also added the 450 Honda copy to it UK website.
http://www.wkbikes.com/50cc_motorbik...Motorbikes.htm
I would say that Honda's intellectual property division either needs to hire more staff or fire some?
http://www.wipo.int/edocs/mdocs/aspa...11_ref_t15.pdf
WK also added the SP250 to its offering in the UK and they are asking $4,500.00 USD for it, they have it detailed as a 249cc DOHC single, however the images show a bike with a Zongshen 249cc SOHC…the images have a version with a NC250 Zongshen single overhead cam 4-valve engine. The bike is a Jiajue R15 the Jiajue bikes can be configured with either engine. Jiajue calls the DOHC a CBB250 and offers it in their R11 the WK SP250 is on Jiajue’s website, as a R15/SP250 and with the NC250 engine.
http://www.wkbikes.com/images/SP250-BLUE.jpg
WK has it also details the SP250 as having a 5-speed both engines have 6 speed gear boxes, they also have ambiguous power ratings listed and obviously incorrect bore and stroke specifications. The engine is likely the NC250 and not the CBB250 DOHC.
Is WK technically Taiwan based?