You're right. The IW22 is for my Yamaha XV1100. The correct one is the IX24. Sorry about that, I'll edit my posts.:rolleyes1:
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You're right. The IW22 is for my Yamaha XV1100. The correct one is the IX24. Sorry about that, I'll edit my posts.:rolleyes1:
Matt,Quote:
Originally Posted by firefightermatt
Did you ask the seller if you can get just the pipe? The shipping is pretty steep for this one even with the extra stuff;
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...3AIT&viewitem=
No I didnt ask the first time but I will send them a message asking if they will just sell the exhaust can by itself. Most of the weight will be in the exhaust can so eliminating the down pipe probably wont lower the shipping to much also alot of ebay sellers will sell the product for cheap but charge alot of shipping because they have to pay ebay a percentage of the selling price but they dont have to pay ebay anything on the shipping.
I will let you know as soon as they email me back.
You may not need to change the slow jet. It depends how the bike is set by the maker for different markets. On mine the adjusting screw was something like 2.5 turns out and unscrewing further did not make any difference, it was at the limit of its range. Changing the slow jet allowed me to back off the screw and obtain full range of adjustment.Quote:
Originally Posted by firefightermatt
On CV carbs the slow jet/mixture screw has great influence on the entire range of engine speeds, much more than on slide carbs. You can quite often get away with turning out the mixture screw to richen the entire range, except wide open throttle, to sort out stumbling or hesitation and flat spots.
Have to remember that on CV carbs screwing out or anti-clockwise richens the slow mixture, and on slide carbs you turn clockwise to richen.
You need a cut-down screwdriver to be able to reach the screw. Just use one of those cheapo electrician drivers and hacksaw most of the handle and blade away. then grind a new flat blade tip on what's left of the blade.
Always aim to obtain the correct idle speed consistent with the smallest opening of the butterfly valve. Excessive opening of the butterfly will uncover the transition ports situated by the bottom edge of the butterfly and cause what they call "hang up", where on blipping the throttle the revs don't die down properly and just hang up at 2 or 3k revs.
Thanks Matt. According to forchetto, the pipe is a little over 3 lbs. $45 is way too much for shipping...more than 1/2 the price of the pipe!Quote:
Originally Posted by firefightermatt
Yeah I agree that the shipping is way to high since it doesnt weigh much but I bet its more like he is selling the exhaust for $100 and paying $14.95 for shipping to save on ebay charges.Quote:
Originally Posted by david3921
I heard back from the seller and they said they will only sell it as it is listed as a kit which at $114.95 USD will probably be around the same price if not cheaper than Xian Racing shipping to the United States. Xian Racing exhaust comes out to about $90 USD and I emailed them a few days ago about getting a shipping quote but havent heard back yet.
So I found this;
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tchlink:top:us
It comes with adapters to fit and the price looks right. I'm in Michigan so the shipping charges aren't very high.
I also found this;
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=110361010070
which is pretty close to, if not exactly, what Volksjagger has. The shipping to me is just $9.95.
I would like your thoughts on both, thanks.
The first link looks like it would be almost perfect but you might want to try to find out how big it is, it looks a little bigger then the one talked about in this thread so it might not fit to well behind the side cover. If its about the same size I would say try it out.
As far as the second link, that is exaclty what Volksjagger has and the few thing I dont like about it is its a 2 stroke silencer and I like more of the tucked in look and that pipe hangs out the back alot.
So ended up getting the first exhaust that I posted above. I like it for the most part. The main problem is the inlet is large and you have to use the reducer. The seller asked me the size and I got the correct one. The problem is when you put it all together, it sticks out the back too high and far. I cut the reducer down a bit and the only way it fits right is if the reducer is slid into the pipe. It works but doesn't look too good. I could cut the muffler and the reducer to see if it fits better but I am leary to do that. Another option is to take off the head pipe and cut and move the stop ring down. I'm going to see if I can find (or make) a piece of pipe that has the correct inner and outer diameter to slip on the head pipe and allow the pipe to slip on....
Now for the good stuff. Like forchetto says; "what a difference"! It's definantly louder but not overtly so. I did go to the 125 jet but not the larger (what we call) pilot jet. I don't see a need yet. I didn't know where it was until Carl posted the manual. THANKS CARL !!! I couldn't read it but I could see where it was in the pictures (as men, we don't really read instructions anyway). I no longer have to choke the bike to start it. It could be because it's a little warmer outside now but I don't think so. I think it's that the motor just doesn't have as much to "push" against now. I happy with it and it was a total of $78 shipped to me from Canada to Michigan.
got any pictures?
Well I got my exhaust and wanted to share some pics. It was a pain trying to get it to fit up right but I made it work.
Here is the link to the one I ordered off Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Gy6-S...ehicleQ5fParts
I paid a total of $114.95
Here are some pics out of the box.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k1...t/IMG_2647.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k1...t/IMG_2648.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k1...t/IMG_2649.jpg
I reused the rubber spacer from the stock pipe to move the clamp out from the frame a bit.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k1...t/IMG_2657.jpg
I had to bend the back mount in order to keep it from rubbing on the pipe.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k1...t/IMG_2658.jpg
Here are some pics of it mounted up.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k1...t/IMG_2656.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k1...t/IMG_2659.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k1...t/IMG_2660.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k1...t/IMG_2661.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k1...t/IMG_2662.jpg
Here are some pics of the SAI I removed and the blanking plate I made out of brass.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k1...t/IMG_2650.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k1...t/IMG_2651.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k1...t/IMG_2652.jpg
Matt,
Looks great and thanks for the nice pics! What is you impression of the sound and quality of finish. Would you say you got a good deal?
CC
Yeah I would say it was a good deal for sure!!! The quality of the pipe is awesome, it looks like something that should cost $300. The sound is perfect, it makes this little 200 sound like a 600 and its not too loud, its just a real low rumble. I tried to get a video of it but the sound didnt come out at all like what it sounds like. I would highly recomend this pipe to anyone that wants to bring the beast out in this little moto.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyCarl
Sound like good stuff! I hope more people put them on as the stock can does make the engine sound a little anemic. Don't be affriad to put some images of the can and your bike in your MCM gallery.
If your trying to capture the sound on video the distance of the camera from the pipe is very important. If you're still interested in trying, start with the camera about 6 feet back and adjust from there.
:riding:
CC
Yeah the sound didnt come out at all so I will try moving back a bit and see how that works out.
Matt, did you notice any change after you removed the emissions stuff?
It did seem to have a little more power but I dont know if thats because of the exhaust, removing the SAI or maybe a little of both. I still have to change the jets when they come in and thats when I am sure I will notice the most difference.
Ok, here are pictures of the exhaust I installed. Even though I am happy with it, and it was only $68 delivered to my door, it was a ton of work to get it to fit. I do not recommend the exhaust because of this. I can list the steps If someone wants to know what it took. It's longer than forchetto's and Matt's as you can see.
Man, that can is BIG :icon10:. Looks to be of good quality. The only other comment I would make is that it looks as if it could do with another strap a bit further up and anchored to the original exhaust's second mounting hole, next to the grab handle. This hole is visible in the 3rd photo.
It feels as if the vibration and road bumps might shake the can, and, being held so low down it may move a bit and strain the original downpipe.
forchetto, that's where I had it originally but it pushed the pipe too close to the swing arm. I could hear the pipe touching when I sat on the seat. Part of the installation (besides the milling, drilling, welding, painting, and swearing) was bending the completed headpipe assembly with a long pipe and wood blocks. I think that I might have enough room now to move the strap up to the top. I'll check it with a caliper tomorrow. It is a nice pipe for a great price, though. Just a lot of work.
Matt, I noticed on your nice photos that the canister that was above your pipe is now gone. Was this part of your other stuff you removed?
I never had a canister under my seat like you do...I was going to ask you what that was. I have never seen that on anybodys XF200 on here.
I couldn't find in the manual that is posted elsewhere on this site. I'm guessing it has to do with emmisions. I will trace the hoses and see where they go. I did notice that there are two outlets on it that have no hoses. You can see one of them in the photo. I wonder if I got some sort of "California" model.
What do you think it is forchetto?
I wondered about that, as mine doesn't have it either. My Virago California model has the left hand "blister" on top of the engine full of similar gubbins. It shows them in the workshop manual but mine doesn't have them. It's some sort of charcoal filter where the gas tank vents its hydrocarbon fumes and then they get shoved into the intake manifold at certain engine vacuum conditions. My car has that as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by david3921
Well my bike is California emmisions compliant and its doesnt have it so I dont think it has anything to do with that. Its does look like some sort of charcoal canister but I wouldnt know why it is on there...maybe the state you live in has a requirement for it on motorcycles.
I moved the strap up on my exhaust today. I did have to add some rubber bushings to keep it away from my tire, though. All is good there.
Now for that canister thing. I took off the gas tank so that I could see the routing of all of the lines. Here's how it all goes;
The gas tank vent (under the tank) goes to a check valve. This can be seen in my third photo, just right of the canister.
A hose goes from the check valve to the canister.
Two hoses come out of the canister. One is small the other large.
The large one goes to a "T". One side of the "T" goes to the air box, the other to the SAI. Matt's and forchetto's large SAI hose went to the airbox.
The small hose also goes to a "T". One side of the "T" goes to the carb, the other to the SAI. Matt and forchetto's small SAI hose went to the carb.
I'm thinking that since my bike is a newer model (bought a few months ago) it might have more stuff added to comply with tougher standards. Matt thought that maybe it's because of the state I'm in. It's Michigan and I've never know this state to have very high standards when it comes to anything automotive. We don't even have inspections so there is a lot of junk out on our roads.
Before I think about taking all of this off, I would like to know how the gas tank vent is hooked up on your bikes. Does it go to a check valve? I remember Volksjagger having trouble with his bike and said it had something to do with a vacuum lock at the gas tank. I'm guessing it had to do with vent.
I remember Volksjagger's troubles too. It was never made very clear what the trouble had been. I just assumed he meant the vacuum line from manifold to the SAI valve, but I did wonder what that had to do with fuel starvation...now I realise that your device is part of the tank breather and that CAN affect the fuel supply. Bikes without that device just vent to atmosphere through the gas cap.Quote:
Originally Posted by david3921
Forchetto and Matt, do both of your tanks just have the cap for vent or is there an under the tank tube like mine?
Mine just vents through the gas cap. It has a little ball valve on it to prevent petrol coming out if you turn the bike over.Quote:
Originally Posted by david3921
Not sure how mine vents...I guess through the cap. Its doesnt have anything coming out from under the tank other than the supply line.
Thanks guys. I can see if I want to take all of the stuff I'll have too at least leave the tank vent check valve on. I think I'll leave it all on for now. I've got what I want performance-wise for now with the exhaust and the jetting. I did change both sprockets (16 front and 44 rear) a few weeks back but it's been so cold here I haven't been able to test it out too much. I did notice significant changes in RPM after each sprocket change with the little riding I did do, though. I'm looking for high MPH with some performance. Right now, I'm in the process of changing the headlight. Just can't get past the bat-cycle look. Looking at both square and round applications. I'll post pictures when it's done.