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Originally Posted by crismoe'
Here's a posting from a Chinese rider who says that he was refused gas because his driving license name did not match the blue book name (simply registered in someone else's name).
http://club.weifengtang.com/bbs/foru...extra=page%3D1
Others' comments in that thread are noting that it is probably nothing more than the case of the gas station woman just not wanting to give gas to a motorcycle. You know, all motorcycles are bad, etc. People should be driving cars, etc.
I wonder what is next? Having the electricity cut off to your home because you ride one of those "annoying e-bikes"?
I sure hope this nonsense comes to an end soon.
Fortunately,i haven't encounter this situation in shanghai, with my "C" loading petrol somewhere downtown and with my chinese friend's name written all over my blue wallet. But who knows...maybe its just a matter of time:riding:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lao Jia Hou
Fuel cards at Sinopec ...
In Beijing's burbs (Changping, Shunyi, Pinggu, etc), the larger Sinopec stations (using the rechargeable fuel cards) have begun designating a separate pump for motorcycles (we are "special" and get to sit in the back of the bus). Apparently, this is under the direction of the police.
To encourage fuel card usage, Sinopec gives a discount on fuel prices ... except for motorcycles. The "special motorcycle pump" is full price (no discount). Only car drivers get the discount at the regular car pumps.
Linkie (in Chinese)
Here's what happens when a station gets a reputation of not asking for the blue book and/or Driving License ...
http://attachments.motorfans.com.cn/...ryLMHl6889.jpg
:lol8:
Seriously, this must be a photoshop. There is no way these guys would line up & queue! :mwink:
If i go to a gas station they will ask me if i have dl? is it work all over china? and how about if i go to buy gas with a small tank (without car or bike) they wont sell any????
It depends on the location of the gas station and the rules applied at the time. No one answer here I'm afraid.Quote:
Originally Posted by b-angel
No, is the simple answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by b-angel
It will depend, firstly most gas stations require an approved container, though this does not always apply, and is further complicated if you look like a foreigner or not, and if you have any relationship with the gas station staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by b-angel
The thing about China, is no one rule applies, nor does any particular norm. China consists of many small little kiingdoOms so what might apply in one place may not in another, and that "other" place might be just around the corner, in another village, another town, another city, another district, another city... another ___________ (fill in the blank).
Here in shanghai gas station normaly ask for the bike's registration"blue wallet ",which for me makes sense. Never once i encounter being asked for my DL. But just like Doc says diff. rules applies everywhere in PRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by b-angel
I suggest just show them both.
I've never even once been asked to show any papers (other than renminbi) here in Shanghai. I did get fined 200 rmb on Sunday for riding on Huaihai Zhong Lu. I entered Huaihai from the east at Henan Lu/Fuxing Lu, and did not see the dreaded "no motorbikes" sign. Bugger!
euphonius
That sucks!!! It came with 3 point penalty i asume. Its a freakin' weekend for crying out loud, why would they even bother:lol8:
On the other hand, what were you thinking dude?:) everyone knows huaihai is a "no go" for us road manace:riding:
Actually, I hate riding in the city and do so very rarely. The bicycle is soooo much better suited to urban Shanghai. Somehow I had Nanjing Lu and Huaihai Lu reversed in my head. There's really no logic at all to which roads permit motorbikes and which don't. TIC.Quote:
Originally Posted by crismoe'
euphonius
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
I know they're screwing with me ... but I can't figure out their game plan.
This last weekend, I went to refill at my least favourite station. This is a station not far from my home, where they ask you to prove your DL identity by stripping and showing identifying marks/tattoos. Well, not really, but they are notorious for being unfriendly to motorcycles ... and questioning whether your DL/Blue Book is indeed genuine.
So, I pull into the station which is busy, as usual, with several cars lined up waiting their turn.
The attendant comes running over to me (I assume he is going to tell me to get lost), and he waves me over to a clear lane that has an Orange Traffic Cone in the middle (preventing cars from using it). It is the preferred lane closest to the cashier/store. Nice.
As I approach the lane, I notice a large, professionally made sign saying "Motorcycles Only." Pinch pinch, am I dreaming?
My riding buddy-ess chats up the attendant and discovers that this is something new the station is trying out. Seriously? Really? Or are you just toying with us?
Incredibly, as we are filling up our little scooters, a massive Toyota SUV pulls up to the cone and starts screaming at the attendants to let him into this free lane. His demand was denied (actually, the attendants just ignored him until he caved and forced his way into the next lane, cutting the queue).
Later, discussing this very strange event over coffee, we wondered if this is somehow related to online reports of gas stations having plain-clothes policemen positioned at gas stations, nabbing unlicensed riders & unplated/fake-plated bikes when the rider was off the bike and the bike was turned off. We didn't see anything unusual, aside from the entire surreal situation of motorcycle riders being treated like Party Officials. We were both very skeptical that somehow this gas station has decided to become motorcycle friendly.
The plate/DL registration book was at the pump, but we simply filled it out ourselves, without anyone asking to see either of our actual DLs or Blue Books. OMG, really? The honor system with a motorcyclist?
Something ain't right.
Not to worry regular Gestapo programming will resume shortly... milk (suckle) it while it lasts. mmmmmwaaaahhh hahahahaha!
Something odd has been happening in the petrol stations outside the special economic zone here in SZ, basically they don't care about me filling up with my bike, but when I arrive in my car they refuse to fill it up, they insist that I do it myself, they even prep the pump then hand me the nozzle and wait till I've filled up, then take it back from me..... they utterly refuse to actually put the petrol in... it's bizarre
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Originally Posted by Serpentza
Maybe the staff are new! and not been trained how to use the pumps yet :deal:
Nope, same people who used to fill my car.. and it's not just because I am a foreigner, all the locals too...Quote:
Originally Posted by prince666
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Originally Posted by Serpentza
Make the most of it...
Not to worry regular Gestapo programming will resume shortly... milk (suckle) it while it lasts. mmmmmwaaaahhh hahahahaha!
:naughty:
A subscriber of mine has just had his CB400 confiscated by the police in Beijing while filling up. Apparently while fillng up(using a fake plate) a cop car drove right up to him, they took his keys and told him to report to a nearby station with his papers...
Just filled motorcycle only pump near WangJing dude in his X6 behind screaming. Lost his shit. Yelled at everyone and refused to move. Staff refused to fill his bmw. Funny as shit.
There are an increasing number of these stories, as the people who believe "it will never happen to me" are caught. One only has to take a cursory glance at the Chinese boards to read about such incidents, or watch BTV's (Beijing TV) daily Traffic Report (dinner time) - it seems to devote one day/week to those evil motorcycles, usually showing some poor sap being carted off, often in tears (good for effect).Quote:
Originally Posted by Serpentza
On the Chinese boards, I've read about undercover policemen at gas stations. Personally, I wouldn't have a clue what to look for. A Chinese person would probably know.
BTW, that "report to a nearby police station with papers" is ominous - be interesting to know the outcome. I know, personally, two foreigners who were told the same. One ended up in admin detention. The other was due to leave the country in 2 days, and never reported. He's never been back.
Strangely (given the government meeting in Beijing the past few days), over the past couple of weeks I have not once been asked for my Blue Book or DL. Maybe half a dozen fills on various bikes, both 京A & 京B plated. Calm before the storm? Or just backing off? No idea.
I've seen on Chinese forums that some riders are now calling 110 (the police) each time a station asks for documents, apparently successfully getting the station to back off. I've no idea how that works.
I got asked for everything today and when I said I brought the blue book for the wrong bike, they just said doesn't matter and filled me up.
hahahahaha... TIFF... ROFL... IAWMP...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kernalpanx
but TIC sums it ALL up!
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Originally Posted by bikerdoc
If the use of forged licence plates is rampant in Beijing and Shanghai, then it seems obvious the police would target petrol service stations rather than pulling people over at random on the roads and causing traffic blockages. They know that people riding motorcycles will require petrol at some point so waiting at petrol stations to check licence plates is dead easy. Better still if they can have the petrol station attendants do that job for them.
Why do people used forged licence plates if having your vehicle confiscated is a possibilty?
Seems very odd...
The majority of fake-plated bikes are stolen either from within China, or some other country (and then smuggled in). The next largest group of illegal bikes would be those that are bought at auction (as an insurance write-off) in some other country (e.g., Japan, USA, etc) and then smuggled in. Next would be those stolen overseas (by special order) and then smuggled into China.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rewi Alley
People buy stolen/junkers because of price. A legal BMW 1200GS is about 250,000 rmb (new) and you have to add 10% tax and the plate price (130K in Shanghai, 60K in Beijing). Alternately, you can go to Tianjin and get an illegal one for about 100K, and pay only 200 rmb for fake plates/documents.
It is simply a question of one's morality (or lack thereof) ... would you want to ride someone else's stolen pride & joy? Or would you like to ride a bike that perhaps has a cracked frame, or has been water-submerged (e.g., from a hurricane/tsunami), waiting for a disaster to happen?
And, sadly, even if your bike is seized, there are ways to get it back. The legal system in China is still developing, and some people (sans ethics) are taking advantage of it while they can.
As stated, TIC, the non-responsibility logic free zoneQuote:
Originally Posted by Rewi Alley
Because they make it so difficult to do everything, and every city has a different policy or procedure. Why bother following the rules?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rewi Alley
Cheers!
^exactly... ChinaV... exactly...
as is said...
'the difficult things are easy, and the easy things are difficult'
It is the case of let the service station attendants police the bikes and not the BPD.....i haven't been checked... have a gas card and just fill it myself... I have only seen those who have no plate being refused and of those only the lower end of the economic scale seems to be subject to the full intent of this new requirement. Traffic blockage has never been the concern of the police but perhaps the free movement of those who would increase the population of Beijing by steaming in from outlying areas buying moto vehicles to commute ..... recently this seems to be eclipsed by the marketing of e-bikes.Quote:
If the use of forged licence plates is rampant in Beijing and Shanghai, then it seems obvious the police would target petrol service stations rather than pulling people over at random on the roads and causing traffic blockages.