New CFMoto 650NK blog x2

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

I think I've got a coolant leak coming from a seal around the front right hand side of the bike, probably the water pump.

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Hi ZMC888

You have read my post about the water leak on my bike link here:

http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...ght=water+leak

I did post a picture of the parts we used.The new parts did not come from CF, the job was not hard to do i can talk you through process over the phone if you like or just go back to the dealer i found the water leaks mainly happens when you first start the bike or when you stop the engine . It took about 1 hour to do and have put about 500km on the bike after i done the water leak and is spot on now .

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Originally Posted by Prince

You have read my post about the water leak

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I tightened the bolts around the pump cover and I haven't noticed any more leaks, but I'm monitoring the fluid level because the heat could dry any leaks pretty easily.

The headlight hanger and some of the frame threads seem to be made from pig iron and thread as soon as you look at them the wrong way.

Pretty annoyed, they go to the trouble of having good suspension brakes and efi, then they drop the ball on bolts and stuff worth a few yuan, pathetic really.

Horn got fixed today, was only a small adjustment by the boss losening a Phillips screw on the horn mech itself.
Took some shots...take a look.

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I've put that Scottoiler I won to good use.

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Rainy day, but I managed to avoid the worst, and only had a few light showers, although some roads got wet and bike was splattered.

Nice one there ZMC888. Looks great in the all blacked out look, though I prefer white for the conspicous element being even more essential in PRC. Be safe, be seen! Still does look nice. I particualry like the exhaust in black, which I have noticed on some newer model 650NLs & 650TR's like the one Buck and Amy are riding in their 'great ride of China' I'm wondering if the same supplier is manufacturing the exhaust for CFMoto or if another company like Laser exhausts is. I know that Laser Exhausts (foreign motorcycle exhaust company from the Netherlands based here in the NETDZ Ningbo) were approached by CFMoto to make a prototype some time ago. Will have to check with my sources.

It's difficult to see from the photos, but does the exhaust look like it's just the same design as previous versions and just been finished differently in black? It looks as though is slightly longer, with the exhuast outlet facing downward more and not so much out to the side. Still has that huge collector box of tricks though...

Shitty about the bad bolts, but looking on the bright side it's easier to upgrade a few bolts than the brakes/suspension.

Looks super sexy all in black. My favorite version by far.

So I'm going for a ride, get a red ECU light on the dash. Bike stutters at around 6000. Riding it back to the dealers, bike totally no power, will only idle. Switch off for a while, bike works again, red light comes on again a bit later get to the dealer bike works again. Ride it home bike dies half way. Take it to another mechanic spends the afternoon with it. Apparently it's the throttle (节气门) sensor. Busted, can confirm he tried another one from a different bike. None available on Taobao, asked dealer for warranty, I'm expecting foot-dragging and a ruined October 1st holiday riding season, not impressed.

Throttle sensor looks like this:
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Also bike has lost 100mm of coolant in a week, so there is definitely a coolant leak and I need a new seal.

Thus far...........1100kms and 2 weeks.

1. 4 threaded nuts, 3 on headlight brackets one on side cover.
2. 2 threaded bolts one on petrol tank to frame one on rear set.
3. 2 partially stripped out bolts on rear-set panel.
4. 70% of bolts not torqued to spec from factory.
5. 70% of bolts not/poorly thread-locked from factory.
6. Leak from seal on water pump needs replacing.
7. Throttle sensor malfunctioned needs replacing.

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Thus far...........1100kms and 2 weeks.


1. 4 threaded nuts, 3 on headlight brackets one on side cover.
2. 2 threaded bolts one on petrol tank to frame one on rear set.
3. 2 partially stripped out bolts on rear-set panel.
4. 70% of bolts not torqued to spec from factory.
5. 70% of bolts not/poorly thread-locked from factory.
6. Leak from seal on water pump needs replacing.
7. Throttle sensor malfunctioned needs replacing.

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Shit that bad luck or maybe not bad luck or just bad build !!! as i said most of the TR and NK have a water pump leak. very easy to fix more so on yours as i had to take of some tupperwear to get to the pump

My TR bike after 2200km in 10 days
1. water leak fixed by me and a friends ..

Not had bad bolts, not torqued, poorly thread-locked because i have not checked them if it works leave them untill it is a problem

Hope you get it fixs soon and back on the road if you need help on the water pump just ask

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Originally Posted by Prince66

Not had bad bolts, not torqued, poorly thread-locked because i have not checked them if it works leave them untill it is a problem

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That's what I did on my last China bike, but an engine bolt wasn't torqued properly from the factory and caused a cracked frame and engine casing crack. Maybe better to open the can of worms, that way you can deal with it before you get a bigger issue later.

Nice bike, it looks badass with that black finish.

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

Soberpete and I pulled the trigger on some new CFMoto 650NKs last week,

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Sweet indeed, congratulations.
Work your way through the issues, fix it right, and they can be forgotten.
Good luck enjoying the new lady.

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Rusting bolts, Soberpete's bike left outside in the rain uncovered. Some powdercoat and better alloys, I feel after paying 34,500 we deserve better.

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

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Rusting bolts, Soberpete's bike left outside in the rain uncovered. Some powdercoat and better alloys, I feel after paying 34,500 we deserve better.

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We all deserve better but this is china so just remember
caveat emptor when you buy a Chinese made bike I do so I am happy with my CF

Soberpete has a Jianshe Yamaha YBR250, none of these problems. I had a Sundiro Honda CBF150. Both made in China, both waaayy cheaper, both no problems. So caveat emptor is bollox. AKA we can do it properly, but a laowei has to manage us and kick our ass to do it properly.

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

Soberpete has a Jianshe Yamaha YBR250, none of these problems. I had a Sundiro Honda CBF150. Both made in China, both waaayy cheaper, both no problems. So caveat emptor is bollox. AKA we can do it properly, but a laowei has to manage us and kick our ass to do it properly.

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But you just said 2 words which is very importance Honda and Yamaha we have both a CF bike with no help or advise on matter that count . You will get other problems with you bike make no doubt about it and when I consided to buy the CF at 40k I was fully aware that things would go wrong and parts would not last but with all that said when the bike does go wrong or rust it don't mean I am happy about it

Yeah, Prince you've been lucky so far but wait for the time when you can't ride the weather is nice because your bike is in pieces, then you'll be cursing CFMOTOs name. Yes I knew that we'd have some problems, but Steve Halt reported one foggy tach and a fork seal in 7000 kms. Doesn't seem like the same bike we bought, somethings not right. I think CFMOTO have lowered their game to make more money not improved their quality. Like there is some bike-hating money-loving Sanatana-driving manger running the shop floor.

Still bike handles, brakes and accelerates like a dream but I think we are going to have more glitches with our EFIs than an Indian telephone exchange.

EFI Glitch:

Soderpete's bike 280kms: Bike is very hard to start at times and when it does start the error is 2 long and 8 short flashes, main relay error. However if you turn the bike off and start the starting sequence again it will start normally half the time. Probably a loose connector or cheap connector causing problems.

This is honestly what worries me the most about these lovely fancy new China bikes... all the magic black boxes... as soon as we throw efi into the mix then there are oxygen sensors, ecus, throttle sensors and god knows what other little bits of compicated non user servicable dookickies that can break and go wrong... and we all know that they will break and go wrong.. they are not good enough.. a shanzai iphone will never be as robust as the real thing... I've made up my mind on the X5.. but thank goodness it still has a carb :P

Serpenza, some will say that it's just bad luck. But two new bikes with efi issues isn't bad luck, that's crappy something. The CFMOTO stuff is made by an Italian JV in Shenzhen called ITT. If you got a CFMOTO you'd be able to pop down to the factory and get new parts at least....:lol8:

It's not the cost of buying new expensive parts that is annoying, nor even getting them fitted. It's the Chinese mentality of NEVER holding enough inventory. Your dealer will NEVER have your parts in stock, and there will NEVER be any in your province either. So it's always 'phone the factory and get them sent'. Chinese customer service sucks and is uber glacial slow so if your electronics are a bit crappy you bike will be off the road for weeks a year waiting for new parts. That's the lamest thing. Personally I'd love to retrofit carbs, but can't be bothered with the hassle of sourcing them and making my bike illegal.

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

Serpenza, some will say that it's just bad luck. But two new bikes with efi issues isn't bad luck, that's crappy something. The CFMOTO stuff is made by an Italian JV in Shenzhen called ITT. If you got a CFMOTO you'd be able to pop down to the factory and get new parts at least....:lol8:

It's not the cost of buying new expensive parts that is annoying, nor even getting them fitted. It's the Chinese mentality of NEVER holding enough inventory. Your dealer will NEVER have your parts in stock, and there will NEVER be any in your province either. So it's always 'phone the factory and get them sent'. Chinese customer service sucks and is uber glacial slow so if your electronics are a bit crappy you bike will be off the road for weeks a year waiting for new parts. That's the lamest thing. Personally I'd love to retrofit carbs, but can't be bothered with the hassle of sourcing them and making my bike illegal.

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well things is not any better in Vietnam!! i went to dealer to ask oil & air filters and they did not have any.. but in here it seems to be that if one seller sell printers then they ONLY sell printers, so don't go ask for ink or even paper!!

If only they would have parts in stock in city of Hekou china! could just drive or take train to Lao Cai where they have border with china and buy parts without custom fees!

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Originally Posted by Wald0

well things is not any better in Vietnam!! i went to dealer to ask oil & air filters and they did not have any.. but in here it seems to be that if one seller sell printers then they ONLY sell printers, so don't go ask for ink or even paper!!!

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Must be an Asian thing, not just China. Shoe stores don't sell laces in case you only buy new laces and not new shoes!!

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

Must be an Asian thing, not just China. Shoe stores don't sell laces in case you only buy new laces and not new shoes!!

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I agree!! but Vietnam is like little China, think even china consider Vietnam as a province and not a country ;)
why it can't be like Thailand? ou.. but at least in here traffic cops don't want to stop you .. unlike in Thailand where they see white skin and they want your money :)

Pete is back and he's still Sober!
My first report in ages and I'll keep it brief. I still have the YBR 250 but I'm looking to sell it asap. It runs great and I'm sad to let it go but I have to now that I have a new bike.
-16K for the bike, as it came brand new with a little scratch here and there.
-18K for the bike + 4k worth of apparatus and spare parts (I kept a spare of almost everything because I don't like waiting for stuff).

The 650NK:
Pros so far
I just broke the 800km wall and it's loads faster up to 138kph in 6th gear at 6000rpm.
The seat is comfy, the gears shift smoothly, the engine is smooth and sounds great, the brakes are sharp and the shocks soak up the road.

Probs so far
I have problems starting the bike 50% of the time, the little red light comes on and the dials rotate up and down over again even though they already did that after you turned the key a few seconds before. Like ZMC888 said, turn it off and on again once or twice and it isn't an issue and the red light won't display any problems.
I love the bike and I love the ride. If only the cheap raw iron bolts, pegs, gear shifter, brake pedal and the cheap electrical bits and bobs were already replaced with half decent odds and ends then ZMC888 and I wouldn't have the hassle of doing it all ourselves.

Our dealership in Zichuan doesn't seem interested in helping us with getting spare parts any time soon. I wish we had some guanxi to get the boss down there motivated. ZMC888 is going to be bikeless this holiday due to a tiny issue on a brand new 35K rmb bike that's barely done 1000kms.

Had a visit from a CFMOTO 'mechanic'. Damn that guy was a clueless dork. Kept telling the factory the ECU had Ducati on it, is it a code number? No you dolt it's that name of the company who made it. Had to teach him how to take the side panels off. He came to the conclusion that it was the same part broken that my much better mechanic had already said and naturally was of no use other than to waste an hour my time. Is this good customer service? No.

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

Had a visit from a CFMOTO 'mechanic'. Damn that guy was a clueless dork. Kept telling the factory the ECU had Ducati on it, is it a code number? No you dolt it's that name of the company who made it. Had to teach him how to take the side panels off. He came to the conclusion that it was the same part broken that my much better mechanic had already said and naturally was of no use other than to waste an hour my time. Is this good customer service? No.

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At lest you had a vist from a CF dork when my water pump went after 2 days and 50km was told by CF costomer service "Its no big thing just take it in to a bike shop and get it fixs "at my cost so you are the lucky one

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Originally Posted by prince666

At lest you had a vist from a CF dork when my water pump went after 2 days and 50km was told by CF costomer service "Its no big thing just take it in to a bike shop and get it fixs "at my cost so you are the lucky one

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How can a bloke whom is the crappiest mechanic I've ever seen turning up and not fixing my bike be 'lucky'? :eek2:

Bike fixed! Woohoo!

So I used some connections and managed to get the TPS sent quicker on warranty, it came unnecessarily with the whole throttle body attached, because the TPS doesn't have it's own parts number. So if you break this $15 part you'll have to pay 1000 RMB ($150) for the whole thing, cripes.

CFMOTO really need their own official parts selling thing on Taobao. I'm sure I'm not alone in being a much happier CFMOTO rider knowing that any part is only a 48 hour EMS express delivery away. I don't want to wait weeks for things to be sent, it just sucks.

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

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CFMOTO really need their own official parts selling thing on Taobao.

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They do - its a TMall shop though they don't stock everything, however it can be down from time to time when they update parts etc. It's down today, but was okay Friday when I checked at the office. So don;t be surprised when it's offline and not reachable. Give a few days and it'll likely be back up again. Bit like the company website was down for about a fortnight or so. Major redesign and hosting upgrade.

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

It's not the cost of buying new expensive parts that is annoying, nor even getting them fitted. It's the Chinese mentality of NEVER holding enough inventory. Your dealer will NEVER have your parts in stock, and there will NEVER be any in your province either. So it's always 'phone the factory and get them sent'. Chinese customer service sucks and is uber glacial slow so if your electronics are a bit crappy you bike will be off the road for weeks a year waiting for new parts. That's the lamest thing. Personally I'd love to retrofit carbs, but can't be bothered with the hassle of sourcing them and making my bike illegal.

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Maybe it's a world thing here in OZ if you go to a dealer for parts strong chance it's gonna be order in..Sometimes it's quicker getting the part from a online MC shop in the states certainly cheaper.

Seriously loving this bike, after 11 years of small bikes in China I was absolutely desperate for something more powerful, but not desperate enough for something stolen and/or illegal. When the bike wouldn't run because of a tiny electrical part before it was run-in it almost drove me nuts. Now however it's pure bliss, bike running sweetly, all changed to fully synthetic oil, saving for Bridgestone 02's. Hope we can fix any parts supply problems and can get that niggly water pump seal done and rear seat and we're all good.

That's some classic china-bike bipolar syndrome!