Re: Avialable Chinese Bikes vs actually registerable!
Have a look at m review of the DD250G-2.
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...aptor-DD250G-2
The DD250G-2; in short a good bike, but poorly bolted together, with some very so-so components, but the engine does produce 14KW, being a reverse engineered Honda CMX250 rebel powerplant. The QM200 produces 11.3KW. Certainly the Qingqi with its Suzuki connections will be better bolted together. Also don't overlook the Honda CBF150, which at 8.8KW is a bit lower on power, but its light, fun to ride and very reliable. At the moment I have a CBF150 and a DD250G-2, and I'm torn between which one to sell.
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The Orient Express
If I was going for the cheaper option, which would be a better option QM200 or Regal Raptor DD250G? and why?
Also, is the JH600 the ONLY big Chinese bike that you can register?
Towards the end of 2010 CFMoto (Chun Feng) will be releasing a 650 twin (road) motorcycle both to the domestic and international markets. However as of now, only the Jia Ling JH600 is the biggest (mid-size) Chinese motorcycle that can be registered in PRC with the caviet that registration/licensing applies only in cities/towns/areas that allow motorcycles.
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Lao Jia Hou
For BEIJING riders ... a city that is not exactly motorcycle-registration-friendly ...
Now, here's a Beijing kicker ... there is a new law in Beijing effective July 1, 2010. All new registrations will only be permitted for bikes that meet the new Level 3 emissions criterion. I have no idea what chaos this will create, but TIC (This Is China).
** Update **
Well, I bought a JH600 - it is here in Beijing. BUT, getting the thing registered has been, shall we say, pure H3LL
So, right now in Beijing, there is a lot of confusion about the July 1 emissions / registrations. Nobody really knows what is going on, nor does anyone appear to know when they will know something.
My JH600 was built / purchased before July 1 (well, technically no, but I now have paperwork that says it is true). So, for bikes built / purchased BEFORE July 1, 2010, you have one month (i.e., the month of July) to register it with a Jing A plate (and all the bureaucracy that entails).
For bikes built / purchased AFTER July 1 (e.g., now), you are in the land of limbo. The real confusing question appears to be "which bikes are on the China 3 Emissions list and which are not?" The existing lists (see my earlier post) are now out-of-date. But nobody knows when / how, new lists will be forthcoming. I stopped by a MC dealer yesterday who sells numerous approved Chinese bikes "on the list" and he said that NO bike can now be registered with a Jing A plate. They tried to register a few bikes on the list and were turned away. They have no idea when / how it will change.
For bikes built before July 1, sold after July 1 ... welcome to H3LL. Hopefully, the factory/dealer will like you and issue you a "genuine" fapiao with a pre-July 1 purchase date. If not, you've apparently fallen between the bureaucratic cracks from where there is no escape.
Anyways, fingers crossed, my JH600 should have shiny new Jing A plates later this week.
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Lao Jia Hou,
Sounds like an awful predicament. Imagine buying a legal product, then being treated like a criminal for trying to comply with the law in its use. No, you don't have to imagine this: It's precisely what you are undergoing. Hopefully these bleeding bureaucrats will come to their senses.
The situation here in Shanghai seems less onerous with respect to the 1 July emissions restrictions, though I heard today about a different but equally laughable problem. A JH600 buyer presented himself at the vehicle registration office but was turned away because the passport number on his Jialing sales receipt (a tax bureau fapiao) differed from the passport number in his passport by one digit. His passport number has 8 digits, but the computers in Jialing's tax bureau will only accept ID numbers of 9 digits or more. So they simply added a zero at the beginning or end of the number. Of course this meant it no longer matched his actual passport number. Efforts are being made by Jialing to persuade the tax bureau to reissue the fapiao with the correct 8-digit number, but the answer of course is that universal Chinese answer to all situations that fall outside the expected: 没办法 i.e. "mei banfa" or "it cannot be done". 没办法 usually does not actually mean something cannot be done; it just means that it's too much trouble to bother, so you have to pluck up your reserves and apply pressure. This now is being done on behalf of this buyer.
So, Rule No. 1 for buying a motorcycle in China: Do not hail from a small country whose passports have 8 or fewer digits in them. It may be less trouble to change your nationality, or perhaps apply for a new passport.
"I'd like a new passport, but the number must have 9 digits or more."
"Nine digits? But why?"
"So I can register my motorcycle in China."
"Oh, but of course! Why didn't I think of that?"
As bikerdoc, or is it lao jia hou, or ChinaV, or chinabiker, is fond of saying, TIC. (This is China.)
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Lao Jia Hou,
I bought and registered my JH600 last month here in Nanjing. Had to go thru the Nanjing auction to buy the plates. I was told same thing but my wife would not take no for an answer. We ended up registering it in her name as she is local. I now have plates and I am completely legal here in Nanjing. I only tell you so you do not give up. I have not had much time to ride since I got the bike but when I have found time to ride it, I really like it and mine still has not had anything done to it. I hope you enjoy yours too. Good luck.
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euphonius
So, Rule No. 1 for buying a motorcycle in China: Do not hail from a small country whose passports have 8 or fewer digits in them. It may be less trouble to change your nationality, or perhaps apply for a new passport.
OMG! My Canadian passport is 8 digits (BIG country, small population).
Please, oh please, oh please ... great gods of Beijing ... permit your humble servant a simple registration!
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Lao Jia Hou
OMG! My Canadian passport is 8 digits (BIG country, small population).
Please, oh please, oh please ... great gods of Beijing ... permit your humble servant a simple registration!
No, thats N....O.... NO, oh wait there's no, no in the Chinese language, as there is also just as likely no kNOw either LOL...
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Lao Jia Hou, 老家伙，哈哈，the name itself just too funny, hehe.
The government fear crime done in motorbike(agile, fast) and horrible traffic accident, they limit the registrable bike to 250cc. But more people demand for more powerful bike now (just see how much profit smuggling sell undocumented bike, there is a whole town in Hai Lu Feng doing that business), and bike community is going strong, the government are likely reconsider motorcycle industry, that's when good stuff more to come.
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Lao Jia Hou
** Update **
Well, I bought a JH600 - it is here in Beijing. BUT, getting the thing registered has been, shall we say, pure H3LL
Anyways, fingers crossed, my JH600 should have shiny new Jing A plates later this week.
** Update # 2 **
Bloody H3LL.
OK, my passport number passed. The JH600 passed. What failed was my visa duration!
My Canadian passport expires next year, so to have the clear 6 months before expiration, I only have a 6 month "F" visa right now. Visa valid from June 12 to December 10 (180 days). The balance of my passport is filled with consecutive visas for YEARS. I own other vehicles, registered in my name. Married, own property, residence permit, etc, etc, etc ...
Well, the nice lady at the Traffic Management Bureau said ... "Your visa isn't 6 months. It needs to be from June 12 to December 12. If it was December 11, maybe we could have made an exception."
NO amount of rational logic or argument helped. The ONLY thing that helped was my lovely Chinese wife ... we registered it in her name. We'll transfer it to mine after I renew my passport (5 years) and get a new 1 year visa.
Oh, my six year driving license is up for renewal soon, so we asked if I could get a 10 year license ... and the nice lady said ... yup, no problem, because you only need a 3 month visa. OMG, I am going crazy with the logic.
Rules, rules & more rules.
Anyways ... rumours at the Traffic Management Branch are that it will be August 1, 2010 when the new list of "approved bikes" comes out. Folks, get your visas in order!
Grrrrrr.
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What a circus, I can't believe you tried logic...like that has ever worked here :rolleyes1:
My license expires in September and my Visa renewal is October...looks like I will be driving for a month without a license... better yet, I bet they make me re-aply and re-test because it will be expired when I get my new visa.
You know the reason traffic is so bad in China is because half the country is bouncing around between government departments trying to get shit done.
Ah the joy of bureaucracy.
Cheers!
ChinaV
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Lao Jia Hou
** Update # 2 **
Bloody H3LL.
OK, my passport number passed. The JH600 passed. What failed was my visa duration!
My Canadian passport expires next year, so to have the clear 6 months before expiration, I only have a 6 month "F" visa right now. Visa valid from June 12 to December 10 (180 days). The balance of my passport is filled with consecutive visas for YEARS. I own other vehicles, registered in my name. Married, own property, residence permit, etc, etc, etc ...
Well, the nice lady at the Traffic Management Bureau said ... "Your visa isn't 6 months. It needs to be from June 12 to December 12. If it was December 11, maybe we could have made an exception."
NO amount of rational logic or argument helped. The ONLY thing that helped was my lovely Chinese wife ... we registered it in her name. We'll transfer it to mine after I renew my passport (5 years) and get a new 1 year visa.
Oh, my six year driving license is up for renewal soon, so we asked if I could get a 10 year license ... and the nice lady said ... yup, no problem, because you only need a 3 month visa. OMG, I am going crazy with the logic.
Rules, rules & more rules.
Anyways ... rumours at the Traffic Management Branch are that it will be August 1, 2010 when the new list of "approved bikes" comes out. Folks, get your visas in order!
Grrrrrr.
There's one thing that explains it... you know it, I know it, but they don't know it.... TIC? What are TIC's good for, they are like parasites, sucking blood from their host.
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ChinaV
What a circus, I can't believe you tried logic...like that has ever worked here :rolleyes1:
My license expires in September and my Visa renewal is October...looks like I will be driving for a month without a license... better yet, I bet they make me re-aply and re-test because it will be expired when I get my new visa.
You know the reason traffic is so bad in China is because half the country is bouncing around between government departments trying to get shit done.
Ah the joy of bureaucracy.
Cheers!
ChinaV
I agree, and sympathise - some of the rules and how they're applied can sometimes be "arse about face" but having said that to be fair... China is a DEVELOPING country, and it has that label for a reason. Step back 15 years and most of China was countryside with poor infrastructure and mostly a frugal peasant class, even the major first tier cities lacked much in the terms of sophisticated development. Much has changed in those past 15 years or so, and thankfully the change is constant sometimes at a dizzying pace. I guess the frustration (challenge) can be that such changes are not always consistent or always applied appropriately and in a manner that would be prudent or beneficial when all factors are taken into consideration.
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TIC is really something shameful, merely dictatorship blindfold their people. consider 100 years ago we have noble owns most people (peasant), let along rights and freedom, and today we discuss bureaucracy. and the face, the unequal, servant to master relationship has gone though thousand of years in mind. Face has made role of being government servant switch to noble like, as this soil still in medieval age but with modern technology.
In last 30 years it has been industry revolution, vastly developed infrastructure. But some other stuff (if you know i mean), stay the same or even gone backward.
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ChinaV
You know the reason traffic is so bad in China is because half the country is bouncing around between government departments trying to get shit done.
Hahaha ... that is EXACTLY what we were discussing in the car as we were driving from pillar to post trying to get this JH600 registered.
However, I do have to step back and ask myself "Why am I in China? Why not just move back to Canada, where a vehicle registration takes 5 minutes?"
The answer is simple ... Canada is soooooo boring. Everything works as it should, everyone follows rules as told, and life is easy, predictable, and comfortable. In China, if one is ever bored, one only has to go for a walk down the street ... something completely bizarre will be sure to unfold before your eyes.
I love China, despite its warts, and feel a little bit lucky to be witnessing its evolution first-handedly. Preceding comments are correct ... only 10 years ago, private vehicle ownership was just being considered. But, selfishly, I sometimes wish it's development would progress even faster.
We are lucky to have forums like this where we can "interact" with "understanding" round-eyes like ourselves.
Now that the JH600's in my oversized foreign hands, I can start my evaluation of the JH600 as a possible bike for a commercial North China touring operation. I'll keep you posted in another thread, but my lovely wife commented as she was looking at the shiny black bike ... should the radiator be exposed like that? Hmmm, good point sweetheart.
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Maybe everything works smoothly in Canada but this red blooded Texan can attest to the fact that the USA Government is certainly able to screw up trying to boil a pot of water. My wife is from China and after filling out the BS required for her freaking USA visa, I can assure you that the Chinese have nothing more ridiculous. Have you tried getting on an airplane in the USA lately? TSA is a complete joke. Worried about 80 year old women while OSama walks around the back door with a bazooka. Anyone ever try dealing with the USA's IRS? Talk about abuse of power. I could go on and on but bottom line, you are correct that the rules in China are complete chaos, I just tell you that the grass is not much greener when dealing with my American Federal Government.
On a positive, I am really enjoying my Nanjing registered and licensed JH600!
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There are a few things that do surprise me about the US. Living on the US/Mexican border, there are times that things are needed in Mexico (medications, carton of cigarettes, cheap tequila). Having lost my passport (maybe my wife hid it thinking I was going to sneak across and have Mexican hookers??!! LOL), I needed to get across the easier and closer of 2 border crossings. The problem is, this particular crossing closes at 10 pm, and it was 9:20 pm, and it is still about a 12 minute drive. I got there, and the pay parking lot was closed, and the free parking along the highway was recently taken away (both are on tribal lands, so it had something to do with the tribe funneling all the parking to their lot--which was closed!!??). I took the plunge and drove across into Mexico, parked at the market which sells groceries, cigarettes, liquor, and has a pharmacy attached--all in one!!) Got what I needed. Drove back to the border with 10 minutes to go. Just showed the Customs agent my drivers license and birth certificate (showing US citizenship), answered some official questions and had small talk with him (probably disguised official questions), and I was good to go. Don't know if they had already established that I hadn't gotten a large shipment of drugs stashed in the car, but it was easy and quick, nonetheless.
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I heard that the YBR250 is no longer made in China. Can it still be registered here then? And if so, what's to stop other imported 250s being imported and registered here such as the 250 Ninja?
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I heard that the YBR250 is no longer made in China.
Sounds like an odd rumor, they still have the bike on their websitehttp://www.jym.com.cn/Simplified/Main.asp Also at the price they've been asking for it there are probably some unsold examples around in their warehouse.
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what's to stop other imported 250s being imported and registered here such as the 250 Ninja
The 100% import taxes, other taxes on top of taxes, and the non CCC compliance. There are a few bikes which are imported with CCC certification, the Suzuki GSX250 and I think there is a nighthawk (Honda CB250) which might have compliance, but maybe only for the police http://www.honda-motorcycle.com.cn/import/index.html.
Most of the other bikes with CCC compliance are the Yamaha R1, Honda ST1300, most BMWs, most Harleys plus a few others.
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Yamaha R1?! Really? Does that mean you can register one and ride it in downtown Shanghai?
Any idea if you can import by yourself and still register the bike legally? Otherwise any idea what the 'on-the-road' price not inc plate is?
How does it work if you import a second hand R1 and then register it? Is this an option or is the CCC compliance only for 2010 bikes?
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The Orient Express
Yamaha R1?! Really? Does that mean you can register one and ride it in downtown Shanghai?
Any idea if you can import by yourself and still register the bike legally? Otherwise any idea what the 'on-the-road' price not inc plate is?
How does it work if you import a second hand R1 and then register it? Is this an option or is the CCC compliance only for 2010 bikes?
A member of this forum (lago888) has an R1 for sale in Beijing - it is legal and has Beijing A plates - contact him for more info. With a legal plate in Beijing, I would assume it is possible to transfer it to Shanghai, although you'd still need to purchase a Shanghai plate.
Unfortunately, it is virtually impossible to legally import a second-hand R1
