How to get a Chinese Motorcycle License

Dear All,

Just a small update on the "getting your full license in China" subject. I have been checking around a lot with the help of my companies HR-department. But until now it seems to be impossible to do the test in English if you have to do the full motorbike license in China. And YES Shanghai license bureau offers the test in English, and YES they also offer them to driving schools and NO the driving schools are not offering them to the public. Why???? NO why, maybe there is no money in it, or maybe it is to much of a hassle for them or it is just China and its bureaucracy, I have no idea.

So I am gone start from square one and ask one of my friends from another province to help me and see if I can do the test there, but I am not so optimistic anymore about getting my Motorbike license in China.

If any of you guys have some suggestions I would love to hear.

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Originally Posted by Ben Ben Zhu

Dear All,

Just a small update on the "getting your full license in China" subject. I have been checking around a lot with the help of my companies HR-department. But until now it seems to be impossible to do the test in English if you have to do the full motorbike license in China. And YES Shanghai license bureau offers the test in English, and YES they also offer them to driving schools and NO the driving schools are not offering them to the public. Why???? NO why, maybe there is no money in it, or maybe it is to much of a hassle for them or it is just China and its bureaucracy, I have no idea.

So I am gone start from square one and ask one of my friends from another province to help me and see if I can do the test there, but I am not so optimistic anymore about getting my Motorbike license in China.

If any of you guys have some suggestions I would love to hear.

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Yeah I'm sad to also admit that I hit this barrier a few weeks ago. Its a real pain in the arss but hey ho, I guess this is how it's going. Actually, I told them I'd do the test in Chinese because I couldn't be fucked with going to another city. Then after all the health check I return to the school and they ask me "why is your vosa not issued in shanghai?"

At that moment I didn't hit until the woman said we only accept the visas from shanghai. Which is the residence permit visa holders, so working or studying visa holders can take the test but any other visa holder cant.

I'm currently in the process for finding a new way to get it, but with being busy this stuff is hard to sort out.

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Originally Posted by Joshmakesnoise

Yeah I'm sad to also admit that I hit this barrier a few weeks ago. Its a real pain in the arss but hey ho, I guess this is how it's going. Actually, I told them I'd do the test in Chinese because I couldn't be fucked with going to another city. Then after all the health check I return to the school and they ask me "why is your vosa not issued in shanghai?"

At that moment I didn't hit until the woman said we only accept the visas from shanghai. Which is the residence permit visa holders, so working or studying visa holders can take the test but any other visa holder cant.

I'm currently in the process for finding a new way to get it, but with being busy this stuff is hard to sort out.

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I've hit the wall too
All I can do is pay a fortune and go to Haikou to do it semi legal! One day paid service costing around 10000¥ total that's if I convert my car and bike license from NZ

Hit a wall here in Jiangmen, Guangdong. I went to the License department a few months back to ask if the offered the motorcycle License test which is the same for D & E licenses in English to ad to my C1 license I already had an passed the test for it in English on the first try without studying. It took a while to get the answer and they said they offered the test in English, so I paid the money did the health check and setup the soonest available date for the written test which gave me 6 weeks to prepare and practice the road test for the D License. Day of the test came and The test Administrator who they asked if they had in English or not said they only had the test in Chinese. the head of the department had to get involved and told me Sorry. I said I would just take it in Chinese then anyway, and have been trying to come up with a numerical (counting symbols in questions) and statistical study system and hope I get lucky in one of my tries. It has been a month and I still have yet to pass the Chinese version of the test. Is there anywhere I can get a D License endorsement added and I am willing to pay up to 10,000rmb and travel if need be. I have a Resident Permit and my wife is a Jiangmen Local with Chinese citizenship. I find it absurd that they wont just let me take the driving test and be done with this considering I already passed the written test once, which for the C1 there is an even larger pool of questions.

LOL at the Chinese just trying to park a car!!!

Michael in Jiangmen

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Originally Posted by MFarrens

Hit a wall here in Jiangmen, Guangdong. I went to the License department a few months back to ask if the offered the motorcycle License test which is the same for D & E licenses in English to ad to my C1 license I already had an passed the test for it in English on the first try without studying. It took a while to get the answer and they said they offered the test in English, so I paid the money did the health check and setup the soonest available date for the written test which gave me 6 weeks to prepare and practice the road test for the D License. Day of the test came and The test Administrator who they asked if they had in English or not said they only had the test in Chinese. the head of the department had to get involved and told me Sorry. I said I would just take it in Chinese then anyway, and have been trying to come up with a numerical (counting symbols in questions) and statistical study system and hope I get lucky in one of my tries. It has been a month and I still have yet to pass the Chinese version of the test. Is there anywhere I can get a D License endorsement added and I am willing to pay up to 10,000rmb and travel if need be. I have a Resident Permit and my wife is a Jiangmen Local with Chinese citizenship. I find it absurd that they wont just let me take the driving test and be done with this considering I already passed the written test once, which for the C1 there is an even larger pool of questions.

LOL at the Chinese just trying to park a car!!!

Michael in Jiangmen

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The government only allowed license transfers during the opening up period to keep foreign business investors happy. Now with the change of license rules they have graciously translated the car license, next time probably they won't even bother with that, unless other countries play tit-for-tat and refuse to recognize theirs, or they sign up to international rules and gain some advantage for themselves.

The 'unavailability' of the motorcycle license is what I had suspected, they seem to love the car idea of total car homogeneity regardless of common sense.

The only way around this seems to be to transfer both car and motorcycle licenses together, in which case you'll only have to answer the car questions. This worked before the license rules were changed, whether this will still work now, I'm not sure. Cheapest option I believe is to just cancel your current license and start over, sorry to say, but I'm not even 100% sure that would work.

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Originally Posted by MFarrens

Hit a wall here in Jiangmen, Guangdong. I went to the License department a few months back to ask if the offered the motorcycle License test which is the same for D & E licenses in English to ad to my C1 license I already had an passed the test for it in English on the first try without studying. It took a while to get the answer and they said they offered the test in English, so I paid the money did the health check and setup the soonest available date for the written test which gave me 6 weeks to prepare and practice the road test for the D License. Day of the test came and The test Administrator who they asked if they had in English or not said they only had the test in Chinese. the head of the department had to get involved and told me Sorry. I said I would just take it in Chinese then anyway, and have been trying to come up with a numerical (counting symbols in questions) and statistical study system and hope I get lucky in one of my tries. It has been a month and I still have yet to pass the Chinese version of the test. Is there anywhere I can get a D License endorsement added and I am willing to pay up to 10,000rmb and travel if need be. I have a Resident Permit and my wife is a Jiangmen Local with Chinese citizenship. I find it absurd that they wont just let me take the driving test and be done with this considering I already passed the written test once, which for the C1 there is an even larger pool of questions.

LOL at the Chinese just trying to park a car!!!

Michael in Jiangmen

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

The government only allowed license transfers during the opening up period to keep foreign business investors happy. Now with the change of license rules they have graciously translated the car license, next time probably they won't even bother with that, unless other countries play tit-for-tat and refuse to recognize theirs, or they sign up to international rules and gain some advantage for themselves.

The 'unavailability' of the motorcycle license is what I had suspected, they seem to love the car idea of total car homogeneity regardless of common sense.

The only way around this seems to be to transfer both car and motorcycle licenses together, in which case you'll only have to answer the car questions. This worked before the license rules were changed, whether this will still work now, I'm not sure. Cheapest option I believe is to just cancel your current license and start over, sorry to say, but I'm not even 100% sure that would work.

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TIC LFZ...

I'd not cancel the current DL since it is still useful...
Following ZMC888's thoughts...

I'd recommend finding some place else to 'live' or register as living e.g. Hainan or some-place favourable, affordable and doable. You could find a cheap place to rent as a summer vacation/holiday home or some such. Michael, does your wife have some family living some place else where you could go 'stay' and get yourself registered residence wise?

Get oneself registered with the local PSB office for that all important residence slip of paper, then simply go to the local Traffic PSB and then start the all important 'converting overseas issued DL recognition and transfer process' from scratch, making sure to get the car (C1) &motorcycle (E) or sidecar/outfit (D) officially translated as ZMC888 is suggesting above. However. don't declare the current PRC issued DL. Just go about it all as though it's your 'first time' - you PRC DL virgin you...

:lol8:

If personal circumstances don't align with such plans, then there is apparently some method involving a third party who is apparently able to facilitate procuring PRC DL's in Haikou or similar location.

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Originally Posted by bikerdoc

TIC LFZ...

I'd not cancel the current DL since it is still useful...
Following ZMC888's thoughts...

I'd recommend finding some place else to 'live' or register as living e.g. Hainan or some-place favourable, affordable and doable. You could find a cheap place to rent as a summer vacation/holiday home or some such. Michael, does your wife have some family living some place else where you could go 'stay' and get yourself registered residence wise?

Get oneself registered with the local PSB office for that all important residence slip of paper, then simply go to the local Traffic PSB and then start the all important 'converting overseas issued DL recognition and transfer process' from scratch, making sure to get the car (C1) &motorcycle (E) or sidecar/outfit (D) officially translated as ZMC888 is suggesting above. However. don't declare the current PRC issued DL. Just go about it all as though it's your 'first time' - you PRC DL virgin you...

:lol8:

If personal circumstances don't align with such plans, then there is apparently some method involving a third party who is apparently able to facilitate procuring PRC DL's in Haikou or similar location.

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Surely they'd simply look at where his visa/residence permit was issued and tell him to apply there? Worth a try though.

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

Surely they'd simply look at where his visa/residence permit was issued and tell him to apply there? Worth a try though.

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Sorry maybe my reply was not clear...

I wrote that he (Michael) needs to get registered as living some place else. It is possible to register in a different location without having to 'rent' a residential property, provided one can get a person who has the property certificate to 'vouch' for that person as staying as a 'visitor'. Hence my question/suggestion to look at in-laws living elsewhere provided that location/jurisdiction is foreign friendly. Michael with his wife's support could claim to be living or residing there for 'summer' or some such.

Worst case scenario is Michael and wife might want to rent a second place in a foreign friendly location officially so he can use the other option of the property 'rental contract' to claim residence. Once Michael has the all important temporary residence registration certificate (slip of paper) he then uses this to go through the converting overseas issued DL from scratch as outlined.

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Originally Posted by bikerdoc

Sorry maybe my reply was not clear...

I wrote that he (Michael) needs to get registered as living some place else. It is possible to register in a different location without having to 'rent' a residential property, provided one can get a person who has the property certificate to 'vouch' for that person as staying as a 'visitor'. Hence my question/suggestion to look at in-laws living elsewhere provided that location/jurisdiction is foreign friendly. Michael with his wife's support could claim to be living or residing there for 'summer' or some such.

Worst case scenario is Michael and wife might want to rent a second place in a foreign friendly location officially so he can use the other option of the property 'rental contract' to claim residence. Once Michael has the all important temporary residence registration certificate (slip of paper) he then uses this to go through the converting overseas issued DL from scratch as outlined.

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I can't really understand how this could possibly work. Surely his passport number has already been used to issue a driving license, therefore that number is in the system as all driving licenses are tied to the Chinese ID card number (thousands of people called Li Ming or Wang Xiaofeng so they can't rely on names), so I'd suspect that you might be pretty lucky to be able to get away with using the same passport number in the Chinese driving licensing system twice, surely it would get flagged?

At the Gong An the passport and all pages will be thoroughly gone through and the resident visa inspected and photo page photocopied. They would then see that the residency permit was issued elsewhere and that you are normally resident there surely this would be a block?

Possibly. You could be right.

As far as data sharing goes, who knows, maybe... but TIC LFZ, and as most of us regulars know all too well, every little part of PRC acts as its own little kingdo0m.

However, in the case of residing elsewhere while being registered as per the applicable passport residence visa in a different location, it is very possible to also rent/live some place else on a part-time basis.

As an example, Mon-Fri the person lives and works in location A, then on weekends travels to a nearby destination to reside for the weekend (because they prefer the climate, the location [for whatever reason]) in location B. If one rents or stays in a hotel for these weekends in location B, then either way that individual must be registered with the PSB. In the case of an approved hotel that is done automatically, in the case of a residence, the individual needs to undertake this task.

This could be a very feasible option for a foreigner working in SH as example. Live & work in SH Mon-Fri, then travel to Hangzhou or Ningbo to stay for weekends, both of which offer better environments, tourist sites and quality of life than big SH. Bus and trains can easily get the person between SH - HZ or NB in several hours making either destination a doable weekend escape. Actually in reality many SH plated vehicles can be seen in NB on weekends, seeing as the HZ Bay Bridge makes NB a very accessible destination in only 3 hours travel time.

I'm not saying the idea(s) definitely work, but by the same token I wouldn't discount them either. It depends on so many factors - no one situation or circumstance fits all.

TIC LFZ...

YMMV.

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Originally Posted by bikerdoc

Possibly. You could be right.

As far as data sharing goes, who knows, maybe... but TIC LFZ, and as most of us regulars know all too well, every little part of PRC acts as its own little kingdo0m.

However, in the case of residing elsewhere while being registered as per the applicable passport residence visa in a different location, it is very possible to also rent/live some place else on a part-time basis.

As an example, Mon-Fri the person lives and works in location A, then on weekends travels to a nearby destination to reside for the weekend (because they prefer the climate, the location [for whatever reason]) in location B. If one rents or stays in a hotel for these weekends in location B, then either way that individual must be registered with the PSB. In the case of an approved hotel that is done automatically, in the case of a residence, the individual needs to undertake this task.

This could be a very feasible option for a foreigner working in SH as example. Live & work in SH Mon-Fri, then travel to Hangzhou or Ningbo to stay for weekends, both of which offer better environments, tourist sites and quality of life than big SH. Bus and trains can easily get the person between SH - HZ or NB in several hours making either destination a doable weekend escape. Actually in reality many SH plated vehicles can be seen in NB on weekends, seeing as the HZ Bay Bridge makes NB a very accessible destination in only 3 hours travel time.

I'm not saying the idea(s) definitely work, but by the same token I wouldn't discount them either. It depends on so many factors - no one situation or circumstance fits all.

TIC LFZ...

YMMV.

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Yes I understand the temporary residency. To renew my license I had to present a document that showed I had residency in the city and temporary residency would not have been sufficient. Where I am they do everything to stop or block you, when eventually you pull in all your guanxi and have every piece of paper signed and sealed, then reluctantly some document is issued. If Mfarrens came to my city he'd have zero chance.

I mean it's China, anything is possible, I agree.

What we can say is;

If you are intending to ride a motorcycle in China and want a Chinese license for heaven's sake transfer your car and motorcycle entitlements at the same time.

I have been registered as living someplace else 20 times in the last 1/2 year ??? every time I book into a hotel you are registered with the PSB. I think ZMC888 is right about your passport number on your Chinese DL it would be flagged ??? But how hard is it to get a new Passport , if you need a Chinese's DL that bad.

I recently tried going down the route of getting the license in Chongqing also a no go. As I need to have a perminant residency permit in order to obtain a license. I actually just found out now as I called the guy to make sure, luckily I did because the first time my girlfriend called him and she didn't know the different between the permanent and temporary resident permits. He had already told her the situation of the permits and she misunderstood, that misunderstanding got me excited for 2 weeks thinking I can get the license there.

Anyway,
I'm back to square one again

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Originally Posted by Joshmakesnoise

I recently tried going down the route of getting the license in Chongqing also a no go. As I need to have a perminant residency permit in order to obtain a license. I actually just found out now as I called the guy to make sure, luckily I did because the first time my girlfriend called him and she didn't know the different between the permanent and temporary resident permits. He had already told her the situation of the permits and she misunderstood, that misunderstanding got me excited for 2 weeks thinking I can get the license there.




Anyway,
I'm back to square one again

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Hi Josh

You got me thinking what type of permit do I have !!! Now mine only says at the top

Residence permit for foreigner in the people Republic of China

It good for 1 year this one and was ok to get my DL with this permit


For me to get perminant residency permit i need to do 5 years under the permit i am on now and be here in China for at least 8 months of each year to get a perminant residency permit
and if there decide you are ok

so i dont think many people have a perminant residency permit

I think its not what type you have but the "Purpose of Residence" in my case was Family reunion ??? and i am not Chinese by the way

But i could be wrong

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Originally Posted by Joshmakesnoise

I recently tried going down the route of getting the license in Chongqing also a no go. As I need to have a perminant residency permit in order to obtain a license. I actually just found out now as I called the guy to make sure, luckily I did because the first time my girlfriend called him and she didn't know the different between the permanent and temporary resident permits. He had already told her the situation of the permits and she misunderstood, that misunderstanding got me excited for 2 weeks thinking I can get the license there.

Anyway,
I'm back to square one again

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Yeah I also only have a temporary residence permit too. I recently just extended my license so I don't believe the rules have changed sounds like whoever is talked to your girlfriend is talking crap.

I haven't investigated permanent residency recently, last time I did, it was very expensive and really for senior company executives, married to a local. Very few of those around outside massive cities.

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Originally Posted by ZMC888

Yeah I also only have a temporary residence permit too. I recently just extended my license so I don't believe the rules have changed sounds like whoever is talked to your girlfriend is talking crap.

I haven't investigated permanent residency recently, last time I did, it was very expensive and really for senior company executives, married to a local. Very few of those around outside massive cities.

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I heard a Canadian married to Chinese turned Canadian buying and apartment and living in one city 2 years obtaining a 5 year or 10 year green card? Not the tourist visa thing as I'm sure this was before this law
Buying a house got them the status needed to live here or something

Here's my pickle:
I do not have licence from my country, however i got one in Thailand recently(easy peasy an cheap).
Does anyone have a first hand experience with that?
Ive been told its possible for Chinese nationals to convert thaipicence to proper chinese , but
with laowai you never know....
I live in small 3-4 tier city, where I used to get instant 'mei you' at DMV just because they had no idea how to deal with me. "You cant apply for a licence in China", "we dont have tests in English" etc...
Another thing is residency permit, does sit have to be valid 6 or 3months?
thanks for help

Sorry for double, crappy wifi, can someone delete one of my posts pls?

Here's my pickle:
I do not have licence from my country, however i got one in Thailand recently(easy peasy an cheap).
Does anyone have a first hand experience with that?
Ive been told its possible for Chinese nationals to convert thai licence to proper chinese , but
with laowai you never know....
I live in small 3-4 tier city, where I used to get instant 'mei you' at DMV just because they had no idea how to deal with me. "You cant apply for a licence in China", "we dont have tests in English" etc...
Another thing is residency permit, does sit have to be valid 6 or 3months?
thanks for help

Last guy I know who presented a fake licence from Thailand got told
" this is a fake licence from Thailand , go away"

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Originally Posted by zhu

Last guy I know who presented a fake licence from Thailand got told
" this is a fake licence from Thailand , go away"

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I never said i have a fake:confused1:

Well are you Thai?
It's not rocket science buddy
" you must have a licence in your home country"

thanks for reply buddy, but as you know in China, rocket science or not, anything is possible and thats why i asked for first hand experience.
cheers!

It's tricky....Take your Thai license to to the foreign affairs dept in your city...If it's in English they can translate it to Chinese. If it's in Thai they can probably accept a notorized professional Thai translation into Chinese or English of the document. Being China there are no guarantees especially you are not Thai so they may reject it as it is not from your home country.

Heartfelt pleading and guanxi may be effective or useless, impossible to know, so best of luck!

It's in both Thai and Eng.
Small city could be a good thing or bad, you never know here.
Thanks.

If you get all the paper work required and translated it could work, but you will have to brown nose a bit. The problem I could see for you is that you're not born in Thailand, so your passport and license won't line up. Bring a good translator with you, and good luck.

I have a Canadian PAssport and used my Hong Kong driver's license to get my PRC license so I don't know if it helps but different credentials won't be the issue. But I don't know if PRC accepts Thai as a direct transferable license; this maybe a sticky point.

Thank you all for all the information in here.
I'm missing contacts for people that can actually help, if someone knows anyone.

As you say, the easiest way is to get motorbike and car transferred at the same time. However, for some of us its already to late...
I bet most of us have a working permit or yearly residence permit as well as an already transfered car drivers licence.

What to do in this case? Are there any contacts to driving schools here in China or agencies that can help?

In my case I'm willing to do what I have to do (money not an object). However, my Chinese writing/reading is not good enough to take the written test in Chinese.

Thanks a lot for helping me clearing up this topic once for all.

In Beijing, Sante can help arrange the medical tests (which are trivial) and paper work and will drove you to the testing location and get your test scheduled and drive you there for your test (and back for a 2nd testing time if you fail your first day) +86 139 1021 1215. They speak English.

If you've gotten additional verifications on your home county's driver's license (2 wheel motorcycle, tricycle, CDL) I've heard (caveat emptor) that you can cancel your Chinese driver's license, and then reapply for a new Chinese license with your new credentials. E.g. You have a C1 and want to apply for C1E. When you apply, make sure you correctly indicate the new kind of license you want. For motorcycle, and tricycle there is a body of 50 questions, they will add 10 to your test. For CDL (Chinese B), they will add some additional questions. You have to score 90% or better. The test is offered electronically in a bunch of languages (Chinese, English, Korean...)

B is (some kind of) CDL, which means you can drive 8 or more passenger vehicles. (Not sure what the upper limit is but it is at least as high as 11)
C1 is normal car (7 passenger or less)
F is 2 wheel motorcycles 50cc or less
E is 2 wheel motorcycles over 50cc. Includes F
D is 2 & 3wheel motorcycles over 50cc. Includes F & E.

If you can get D instead of E, do.

I heard from a friend in Beijing who's trying to add E to his B, that if he took a motorcycle driving class in Beijing, he'd have to take at least one written test in Chinese. That's also what I've read on this forum.

Unless you really can't work/live without your Chinese dl, the cancel and retest option will probably be cheaper and easier.

Again, haven't done it myself but plan to later this year once I have a motorcycle license from my home country.

Good luck
Ed

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Originally Posted by UlleU

Thank you all for all the information in here.
I'm missing contacts for people that can actually help, if someone knows anyone.

As you say, the easiest way is to get motorbike and car transferred at the same time. However, for some of us its already to late...
I bet most of us have a working permit or yearly residence permit as well as an already transfered car drivers licence.

What to do in this case? Are there any contacts to driving schools here in China or agencies that can help?

In my case I'm willing to do what I have to do (money not an object). However, my Chinese writing/reading is not good enough to take the written test in Chinese.

Thanks a lot for helping me clearing up this topic once for all.

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Sorry, I only came right now over your question.

I used a agency in SHA two years back to get my EU driving license converted. They spoke English and arranged all the practicalities for me incl. providing me with the test questions for studying. They might be able to help you too.

Here are the contact details. Please note, that the address is no longer valid; the building they were in was totally demolished some months back; it was on the opposite side of CJ side car in Hami Lu. No clue, were their office is right now.

Eric Wu

上海驾照服务网
Shanghai Driving Service
1221 Hami Lu C325
Tel：021-51870123
Cell: 13062677070
Web: www.jiazhao123.com

Now I am finally getting ready to do the dead. I live about 2 hours away from Beijing. Although technically in Hebei province Administered by Jhangjiakou City, Huailai County, we are actually closer to Beijing, Yanqing County. Last weekend I was in the City to escort my wife to the airport so I stopped in at the Motor Vehicle Administration Office to pick up the required forms. Actually I found we can get everything online except the form for translating my home country driver license. So now, for the benifit of anyone else looking for this form, I scanned it and saved it here: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/gua...55ot/ChineseDL It is called "translate.pdf". Also in that folder are the forms to apply for the driver license "20130107jszsq.xls" and the medical form that needs to be filled out at a hospital "20130107jsrstzm.xls". Note that these 2 spreadsheets are still available online but the links have been removed from the webpage that used to point to them. They also gave me a brochure which I also scanned and posted to thios folder, its called "brochure.pdf". And just to have everything there in one place is also the list of Beijing hospitals where one can get the medical test done '"bjhospital10001.jpg". This is a low resolution hard to read list that was posted earlier in this thread. I chose to go to the Dong Zhi Men Hospital. The medical check took about 1 minute and cost nothing.

Anyway, the one document I am still missing is the public safety bureau certificate of temporary residence. And since I live in Hebei province (even though only a 10 minute walk to the border with Beijing City), I can only get a police certificate for Hebei province. And I may not even be able to apply for a drivers licence in Hebei because my residence permit is issued in Beijing. So, I will do the same thing as we did to get our residence permits - check into a hotel in Yanqing county, Beijing and get the official public safety certificate from the hotel. Of course when we did it for the residence permit our employer paid for the hotel, this time it'll be me. Hopefully I can get an exam booked in a few days, get my license and check out of the hotel. More important;y, hopefully the Motor Vehicle office will accept the Hotel form. The should, but in this LFZ one just never knows.

Wish me luck.