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Jape,
Quatrophenia... I still got my Mod outfit but grew out of it twice meanwhile I guess. We were using fox-tails in Germany...real one if you were a countryside boy like me hahaha... Didn't make many miles on the JH600 so far. Just some trips in the area of Fuzhou, where I sometimes work. I ride a lot in other places and wish to find some time to do more riding in China soon.
AW.
That's an awesome setup sir! I really hope Jialing are following this thread!
Yes Felix,Quote:
Originally Posted by felix
this would be cool. Imagine, a JH600 in a real adventure bike setup like a Yamaha XT (but lighter) or a BMW Xchallenge based Adventure bike or a single-cylinder KTM adventure bike (both not existing ex factory). Our world surely needs a light weight adventure bike thumper. I wonder why the motorcycle industry does not see the potential here and only goes bigger and heavier and more powerful.
We will not get close to something like that with the JH600 but it still is a lot of fun doing the changes and seeing, that riding and traveling gets even better. Let's see, if Jialing is coming up with some ideas in our direction.
Hope you will continue to enjoy this report. Greetings,
AW.
Like-wise I been flowwing this thread, and the other on the JH600 with lots of interest. Really like the way that this JH600 is shaping up, though I did like the addition/change of the front guard to the higher position. Such a simple change cosmetically altered to the look entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pfaelzer
I too hope like anything that Jialing would follow this thread, and perhaps take some cues to make some changes being adopted within. Perhaps Franki could pitch this when he next contacts Jialing officianados :) and talk them through the changes/additions/alterations being made.
Pfeazler what are you up to for the May holiday? Fuzhou isn't that far from Ningbo, so if you have some time... from May 1st, then... :D
Hi bikerdoc,
Thanks for the invitation. May 1st I planned a trip on my R80GS to the Alsace Lorraine area (France). But business finally does not bring me there this time so I was thinking Korea... Anyway, things change all the time so don't be surprised if I come back to you on this one.
Cheers, AW.
BTW: The top fender isn't completely out of the picture. I finally got the new wheels done in Germany 21' front, now put some Heidenau K60s on those and ship all to China. Once the wheels are at my garage, then we will see how to proceed.
Hi,
got news from the factory - the bike is ready to be picked up. I will go there (Zhejiang Province) on Tuesday and ride it back to my garage in Fuzhou. I got a small pic, first glance:
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...0_3qfFu-XL.jpg
I like it a lot. Windscreen and mirror still missing. You will see more pictures once back in Fuzhou. Modifications are by far not finished yet. A lot more good stuff is still to come.
Looking forward for the ride :riding: .
HAPPY EASTER!!!
AW.
I hope you have a GPS tracker included in all your accessories, that is a good looking bike and some tea-leaf will take a fancy to it.
Dear AW,
Looking sweeter and sweeter by the day! Can't wait to get mine, hopefully this month in Chongqing.
I don't remember you mentioning the center stand. Was that stock, or a mod?
Also, did you go for the 2008 model or the 2009, which Jialing claim is substantially different to the earlier models?
Very much envy the ride you'll be making from Zhejiang to Fujian. Have you plotted a route yet? Fujian seems to have tons of rural twisties!
Would love to get you on the phone to discuss further, if your schedule permits. I'll PM you my contacts.
cheers,
Jeff in Shanghai
Hello Jeff,Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
I have plotted the route already and yes, its going to be very twisty. The chart says 569km so I am not sure if I will make it in one day - not going to rush it. I'll take some photos and if they are good then you will see them later. My bike is a 2009 european model. I'm not sure about the difference to the 2008 models - Franki is the specialist here. The alu-plate on the center stand is not stock. It came together with the engine guard and engine crash bars, which the factory in Zhejiang made for me - as well as the luggage system. I'll post more about these parts once the bike is back in my garage.
Don't worry too much on the new bike and modifications. The JH600 is a decent bike already in stock set-up. Most of my mods here are for fun and you can decide over the time if you need or like some of them or not. What really improves the bike is the modified exhaust system and - at least for my feeling, the suspension. I guess, once I have found out the configuration of the original springs in the front and then changed them to progressive springs, this will give the bike another real improvement.
Keep in touch. Looking forward to see pictures of your new ride soon.
AW.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pfaelzer
AW has bought the bike in 2009 and is the same as 2008. The newer 'improved' model came out in Nov. 2009 and the changes are minor. It has been listed in my JH600 thread. The only big 'improvement' is the optional plastic penniers. It may look good to some riders but I have seen the test model and they are just too flimsy for serious long distance touring in China. The alu pennier AW has got is the best there is available in China.
Would be really cool if there was some info on those panniers, like dimensions, materials, prices and how you can get a pair with the mounting racks :deal:Quote:
Originally Posted by Franki
Bike looks fantastic AW :thumbsup:, hope you have a great ride on Tuesday.
Cheers
ChinaV
Hi Franki,
you are right of course, its a 2008 model, which I bought last year. Do they really sell the JH600 now with those disco boxes? I can't find anything on the Jialing webpages about it.
Hello ChinaV,
I'll ride the bike back to Fuzhou on Wednesday. I'll surely post then more details on those panniers and other modifications, which were done up in Zhejiang. If you want to get rack and panniers I suggest you to drop a PM to Franki :deal:.
Greetings,
AW.
Guys this is a great thread, I'm getting closer and closer all the time to making up my mind just to buy one of these things, now that I've sold one bike I've some more room for it in my garage between my other two bikes and my car LOL. Ofcourse still have to convince my wife about having a third bike again ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pfaelzer
Pfaelzer did you come up to ZJ today to collect your bike? Where are/did you have to collect your bike from? If you're anywhere near Ningbo, just hola. If you need a place to stay overnight or something let me know, we have a spare room. Hell if I'd known in advance I'd have organised to ride to meet you, even it was elsewhere in ZJ province.
Yesterday was a nasty day here though for riding. Today was much nicer with sunshine nice and bright for half the day.
Who's looking to collect a new JH600 bike from factory and ride to SH? The offer for a bedroom is there too if wanted, including some company on the ride from Ningbo to SH. I know some great rides to get from here to there as I've done it often enough!
regards to all...
Hi,
just a quick note first to let you know that I arrived well back in Fuzhou. The ride took one and a half day. Stayed the night in Fu'an. I had a blast...,met nice guys in Yongkang (Zhejiang), 1st day of the ride dry and cold, 2nd day wet and cold - other than that? It was over too soon!
bikerdoc,
The JH600 offers lots of space compared to smaller bikes - also for two up... This might be a good teaser for your "better half". Thanks a lot for the offer to visit you. I hope I can do it on another ride. I didn't plan much time for this one, so Ningbo was a bit off my track. I understand that Jeff (euphonius) is thinking about to pick up a JH600 at the factory. He lives in Shanghai.
After catching up on some work, I will be posting more pictures of the new gadgets on my bike and some pix and details of the ride as well.
Cheers,
AW.
AW,
Great to hear you made the trip safely, if chilled! Wow! Overnighting in Fu'an suggests that you came down from Yongkang via Lishui, Jingning and Taishun -- a route that makes me dizzy just looking at it on google maps! Alas, the Ningde leg was probably a bit more urban...
OK, get your work done. I look forward to reading more!
cheers,
jkp
Hi AW,
Glad that you made the trip back safely. I was a bit worried about the weather too.
It is good that you gave your new gear some weather test. So was there any water in the pennier?
Regards,
Franki
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pfaelzer
Hi,
the update here has to wait a bit. I am about to post an RR :riding: here about some details of riding the JH600 back to Fuzhou. Take a look, you can see the bike with the new mods in action and see how the ride went.
Soon back with updates here as well.
Cheers, AW.
Hi again,
I have edited following posts with new information:
LUGGAGE CARRIER SYSTEM - edited 04-10-2010
ALUMINUM PANNIERS - edited 04-10-2010
Questions on parts, let me know. More to come.
Cheers,
AW.
Phaelzer,
Great threads. You, jkp, and CrazyCarl convinced me. I live in Nanjing most of the time and my wife (local gal) called the factory today. I cannot thank everyone enough for the useful information. I went thru this by myself in 2006 buying my Chang Jiang and it really cost me. Hopefully, I can get a bike by end of May. Keep us posted on your tweaking. I am 188cm tall and 125kg (sounds better than pounds) so this motorcycle is first one I have read about in China that should support me. I have an R1200 Adventure in the USA but I have only put 3K miles on it in 2 years so I miss riding but just could not accept paying $40K for a bike I know I will take soil samples with at some time or another. This option is very appealing to try. Thanks again.
Hi guys, I've been following these threads for a while, and I'm still not quite sure. It's not that I'm against the bike it's just that the bike is designed for adventure touring, whereas I'm more interested in riding down familiar roads that have lots of sharp mountain turns, so something more 'motard' would be more what I'm thinking about. Going the reverse way from you guys and unbolting as many things as possible to make it lighter instead of adding GPS and luggage racks and cases. Obviously in a western country there are plenty of bikes that suit my riding style, but here in China choices are much more narrow it seems either very expensive, 250cc or illegal! The Jialing fits into a unique place in the market, as it's affordable, legal and has more than enough power on these crazy roads.
What I'd like to know never having ridden the bike is how capable would this bike be if it were ridden hard on road? Do you think it would be possible to get your knee down on or wheelie this bike?
Or is the bike really just a bit too tall and top heavy, pegs too high, designed for too much of a specific purpose etc for any of the nonsense I'm talking about? Thanks for your input! :thumbsup:
ZM,
sorry but I have not even sat my fat arse on the bike yet, much less rode one. I am buying based on the threads I have read here. I just figure it has to be better than my cj750. I can tell you I can get the front wheel up on my old XR650 in the USA and it is tall and top heavy with large desert fuel tank and desert night lights and although I have never been a road racer it handled the winding switchback mountain roads of Baja just fine. I will let the experts give you facts on the the JH600. I figure it is worth a shot. Worst case, you have some fun for not a lot of money.
DT
ZM,
ditto from here in Shanghai. okay, i have had my fat arse on a jh600, but it was standing still and attached to a sidecar in a decrepit shop in gubei, so that hardly counts. but, as has been demonstrated by the few posters who have them, it's about the only choice of a big bike that is pretty up to date, and resembles a real motorcycle.
will it wheelie? check out this link
this is something I found in the chinese forums, and has some okay images of the new Mighty Tiger Version, launched in 2009, which is not yet featured on the Jialing website but is in a handout I was given by a Jialing guy who visited Shanghai last week.
If you've not found details about the basic JH600 online, have a look here and you'll see it's a fairly advanced piece of technology.
And finally, here are some images from the factory, also from the Chinese web. They make a lot more of the JH600B sidecar model in olive drab, which they sell in large numbers to the PLA, and which can be seen in at least one image. The "two wheeler" as it's called is made in very limited runs, maybe a few dozen a month. And they are basically hand assembled. Very little automation.
Is it a "motard"? Well, call me back in 5 or 10 years!
cheers
jkp
euphonius, thanks to your link the answer to my questions appear to be http://www.joinbike.com/bbs/attachme...825d400822.jpg
yes.............and
http://www.joinbike.com/bbs/attachme...4468e2a4b2.jpg
probably!
Hi DT,Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasAggie
you have surely made the right choice - as if there were other options...:thumbsup: Actually apart from the CJ, that is the only street-legal bike suitable for you in China so far. Being a GSA rider as well, I have to warn you however, imagine a F650GS with 40% less power on 400 ccm, this will get you closer to what you have to expect here.
I went to the Galaxy factory yesterday with ChinaV, had the chance to sit on an XTR250. Nice cute bikes, built for motocross. I bought one for a friend and consider to buy one more for myself, but different purpose than the JH600. This bike (around 100kg of weight) will surely deliver fun on single trails and in the woods around Fuzhou.
Anyhow, I am very sure you are going to have fun with the JH600. Again, welcome to the club. Hope to see and read more about you and the bike.
Cheers,
AW.
The joys of the cj750. Buying one and then working on it.
True fun in Texas
Here's to hoping the JH600 is closer to True Fun in Texas
Hi ZM,Quote:
Originally Posted by ZMC888
good approach from another but the adventure riders angle. Strip it down an make a super-motard corner eater... I think the bikes design has clearly limitations here. It was built originally - as I understand it - for sidecar use purpose. The frame therefore is heavy and strong and very wide too, especially in the seat area. This is comfy, but given also the rather F650GS style of seating position inside of the bike - makes it hard to plant a foot on the street next to the front wheel... For a nice drift - power/weight might be the next issues.
however, for me it is still fun and you can go fast with good lean angles in tight corners. It reacts well, and with a bit of counter steering I think it possible to keep up with a regular bikes, with the only limitation on acceleration and speed due to the of the lack of power. Still a good deal for me in China.
Anyway, there is surely stuff, which can be done to make the bike more sporty and lighter. Look at this:
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...9_wiyMN-XL.jpg
...and the guy here didn't even take out the main stand (which is a bit weakish and at the wrong position anyway) and he could replace the aluminum rack as well with something lighter.
By the way, do you notice the steel plate at the side? This is a valid modification - even though the execution is not the best example of esthetics. The original plastics are looking good, but in the leg are are getting even more wider, that the already wide seat. When riding in standing position - you feel more like John Wayne than a motocross rider. Hard to hold and control the bike firm with the legs and keep a good stand on the pegs. This is one of my longer term projects - making more sportive plastics for improved off-road riding. Would be great to find some solutions out there (except for the one on this pic).
Other than that, if you happen to be in the Fuzhou area, give me notice and you can ride my bike for testing. I would take the boxes off for you then... :riding:
Cheers,
AW.
Pfaelzer, thanks for the reply, the offer for a ride and the photo. :thumbsup:
The guy's straight through pipe, luggage rack, center stand and tires are not to my not to my taste. I'd go your way with the laser muffler and maybe think about changing the bar height. Obviously the height of the bike is a concern for knee down antics, but then again not having to worry about the pegs grinding before the bike is at full lean angle is an advantage anyway and with a nice rear tire the bike would drift a fair bit I'm sure so would certainly keep me entertained. I'm not keen on over-modding the bike just really bobbing it down to a lighter weight, mainly by taking off metal parts a without altering light-weight aesthetics like plastics. Or possibly putting a bigger rear sprocket on it.
If the bike is 195KG curb weight and it has 3KG of oil, 2KG of water and 15KG of fuel is 20KG, minus some metal could see the dry weight down to 170KG, very reasonable for a 600 single.
HI,
time for another update on the recent modifications done up in Yongkang. The guys completely developed the new skid-plate from scratch.
Making a paper gauge first:
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...89_tRbWf-L.jpg
Welding and bending work:
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...68_xW5WC-L.jpg
The raw part. Some more welding and final anodizing still needs to be done:
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...64_yAnFK-L.jpg
Finally completed at the bike including a plate on the main stand. All of this should prevent damage and also help the bike to slide over off-road obstacles such as wood or rocks:
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...80_yxfi6-L.jpg
The engine protection helped me for sure already during my ride back to Fuzhou when pushing the bike over a land-slide. Things got a bit rough and the marks can be seen on following pictures:
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Biking/Z...98_bsopZ-L.jpg
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...97_MobnC-L.jpg
Summary: The new skid-plate really looks good adventure style. It works too, definitely protects the engine. Two points, which I will think a bit more about.
Aluminum quality: The repair of the dented plate was rather easy. Some work with the plastic hammer - all done. This makes me think if there are stronger, automotive grade of aluminum sheet materials available in China like for example a 5083 or 5086 type.
Mounting: The parts are "hard-bolted" to frame and center-stand. For ideal protection the plates should be rubber-mounted so that they can give a little way when stressed. It also can help on vibration problems - which I can't find on this assembly here.
So long. One more good news: The new wheels are at my place in Germany and ready for shipment. Bad news, due to the volcanic ashes over Germany, no air traffic is possible, which means, delay again.
AW.
...back to overview.
I share my point of view. It is not possible to obtain Serise 5 or 6 aluminium alloy plates in Yongkang in small quantities. Min. order quantity is half a ton and wait for at least one month. Your decision to make the sump guard was just before the delivery of the bike and you wanted everything done in 14 days. That left us very little choices. If you can supply the 5083 or 5086 plate, we would be more than happy to make it for you. The same goes for the rubber damping washer as we didn't have enough time to find these parts. This is an one off job and not a production run where we can source materials in quantity and have a production lead time. I made up the design as we are building it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pfaelzer
Hi Franki,
I try to find some aluminum sheets for future use and let you know then.
Having said that, don't get me wrong here, I like the job, which the guys have done in Yongkang and would do the same procedure again - no doubt. Things are looking good and they work too... but you know Germans, always looking to improve things for a better quality - that's why the world got Benz and ass-kicking BMW motorcycles :dirtbike:
Greetings from Shanghai - AW.