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This after-sales service/support model, if they can pull it off, is already streets ahead of what Jialing offers in most parts of China. Let's hope that this really does indicate a raising of the bar in service commitment by Chunfeng here in China, and that this indeed will force others to raise the bar as well. This, in turn, could (potentially) raise the visibility of motorcycling in China, thus leading to a more benign/virtuous cycle of more people buying bikes and riding, and demanding better levels of service and care, which results in even more riders -- and ultimately more pressure to stop the march of motorcycle bans.
This does conflict with something that I think you, bikerdoc, yourself said in an earlier post: That CFMoto is just doing the minimum, and is not taking any really meaningful steps to improve the domestic market. Have you revised your views following your latest interactions with CFMoto/Chunfeng?
Fingers crossed!
cheers
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Incidentally, I'd heard recently that Jialing has sacked their entire domestic retail/marketing team in Chongqing, including the notoriously sour Li Shilin but also the kindly Lao Zhou and others. Not sure about sales technician Tang Wei (唐炜), who had been touring China training up local service techs.
Hopefully all of this signals a shakeup that will lead to better sales/service, but I'm not holding my breath. Perhaps Milton knows something following his recent service dealings with Jialing headquarters...
cheers
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euphonius
This after-sales service/support model, if they can pull it off, is already streets ahead of what Jialing offers in most parts of China. Let's hope that this really does indicate a raising of the bar in service commitment by Chunfeng here in China, and that this indeed will force others to raise the bar as well. This, in turn, could (potentially) raise the visibility of motorcycling in China, thus leading to a more benign/virtuous cycle of more people buying bikes and riding, and demanding better levels of service and care, which results in even more riders -- and ultimately more pressure to stop the march of motorcycle bans.
I hope so too, which is why I am a little partial to CFMoto in some respects. That's not to say that the company (and in all fairness to CFMoto; the shops that sell their products) are 100% bang on for the money, but, there is improvement which I think has partly come about by default as CFMoto as a company has reached out more globally, thereby gaining some understanding of what is required to meet the market conditions etc. I've been fortunate to see the facility first hand just how good their production facilities are. They invest >20% into R&D, in rather nice feature rich production/design/innovation labs.
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euphonius
This does conflict with something that I think you, bikerdoc, yourself said in an earlier post: That CFMoto is just doing the minimum, and is not taking any really meaningful steps to improve the domestic market. Have you revised your views following your latest interactions with CFMoto/Chunfeng?
Fingers crossed!
cheers
Correct Euph I did make a statement to that effect, and in some ways I still see it as holding weight. I know that CFMoto is focused outwardly and globally, and I was under the impression that since that was/is their focus; being as I saw it - CFMoto wasn't too interested in the domestic market which, given the state of affairs (cities imposing motorcycle bans, expressway bans and so on) seemed logical. That doesn't mean in anyway that I see CFMoto as just getting by, by providing just the minimum - far from it. I see their focus of global branding ,as being more important a strategy than dealing with a changeable and multi-layered bureaucracy on the home front. Though perhaps from CFMoto's perspective it might indeed be a strategy whereby they can offer a better product domestically in the medium-long term, by dealing as they are with global markets.
I should know better, TIC! I should start thinking more in reverse, or instead of bottom up - top down. Something like that. Euph, there is one caveat to all this analytical thought, I'm not Chinese and therefore the modus-operandi could be anyone's guess.
I knew that the 650 was more than a pipe dream (which I firmly believed to be more than just gossip which was some were alleging at the time) when I frist heard about it. I even had some mates tell me, it was a load of BS! That was one of the ulterior motives I had for going to CFMoto in Hangzhou, to see first hand for myself if the 650 was for real. And if it would be more than just a motorcycle exhibition centerpiece. True to form and here we are.
The crafty move (?strategy) by CFMoto is that they have taken this latest NK and with some wizardry manufactured a police bike and a fairly nice looking one visually at that, especially compared to what's serving those bike cops now IMO, that's a smart move by CFMoto in my book. I only hope it will pay dividends and that some of us can be the benefactors. However like you, Euph, I'm also not holding my breath.
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CFMoto CF650NK specs:
Dimensions (mm): 2120 × 780 × 1100 座高(mm): 795 Seat height: 795mm
轴距(mm): 1415 Wheelbase: 1415mm
最小离地间隙(mm): 150 Minimum ground clearance: 150mm
最小转弯半径(mm): 2700 Minimum turning radius: 2700mm
前轮：120/70ZR17 Front tyre: 120/70ZR17
后轮：160/60ZR17 Rear tyre: 160/60ZR17
前制动盘(mm): 300 Front brake disc (mm): 300
后制动盘(mm): 220 Rear brake disc (mm): 220
净重(kg): 193 Dry Weight: 193kg
邮箱容积(L): 17 Fuel tank capacity: 17 Litres
并列直立双缸: Vertical parallel twin
四冲程: four stroke
八气门: eight valve (4 valve/cylinder)
DOHC: Double Overhead Cam
水冷电喷: EFI water-cooled EFI
排量(ml): 649.3 Displacement (ml): 649.3cc
综合油耗(L/100km): 5.5 Integrated fuel consumption: 5.5L/100km
最高车速(km/h): 200 Top speed: 200km/h
压缩比: 11.3:1 Compression ratio: 11.3:1
功率: 52kW/8500r/min Power: 52kW/8500r/min
扭矩: 62N•m/7000r/min Torque: 62N • m/7000r/min
起步加速: 10 s，超越加速（30km/h开始至200m）8.5s. 0-100km/h 10's, speed from (30km/h - 200m) 8.5s
启动方式: 电启动 Start: electric start
点火方式: ECU Ignition: ECU
驱动方式: 链条 Final Drive: chain
传动方式: 6档常啮合 Transmission: 6-speed constant mesh
润滑方式：压力与飞溅 Lubrication: Pressure and Splash
There has been some Chinese motorbike forum mention of ABS brakes on the 650NK but this is not confirmed. Hopefully I will get to check this first hand in the coming weeks.The first gear is quoted as being quite low thus allowing for easy mono's/wheelies ;)
Final drive chain, bearings (unsure if the reference is final drive bearings, wheel bearings or engine bottom end bearings but the "bearings" in any case) along with the clutch plates are claimed as being sourced from Japan, as are the brakes. A claim also made that some of the 650NK design is from Italy although which design aspects is unclear, and no substantive info on whether such Italian design was from Ducati.
Exhaust is two into one, with the rear muffler being a slip-on which will appeal to DIY for after market modification. Low seat height of 795mm which should appeal to those of lower stature (think Chinese in this case).LCD display with dual bright/dim back light when headlight is switched on for less glare for night riding (something the Jetmax lacks).
The clutch and brake levers are 5 way adjustable. Switches are fairly standard integrated units combining multi-functionality into relevant switches. Apparently the 650NK combines stereo speakers into the package somewhere near the tail section (perhaps a MP3/FM radio combo as found on the Jetmax, V3, V5 and 250T-F) - will check this out.
Headlights are thought to be Xenon HID with projectors, and claimed to be comparable to the bright lights found in many cars in China (where driving at night with highbeam activated no matter other road users is the norm!).
The 650NK CPU integrates an interesting device that sensors when the motorbike tips beyond 45 degrees which after 7 seconds will shut off the engine. When the side stand is lowered the engine will also cut-out, even as I understand it when the gearbox is in neutral (not confirmed). Again there maybe something lost in translation so I will confirm this. My Dragstar will idle on the side-stand, but if I apply clutch and put the gearbox into 1st gear then engine will shut-off if the side stand has not been raised. From early accounts the standard tyres could do with replacement with some better rubber. The rear mono shock is by all accounts non-adjustable.
Brakes are sourced Japanese units, with full floating double calipers on twin discs at the front and single caliper single disc rear (again ABS is not confirmed). There has been some reports of buzzing in the mirrors around 4500rpm, which has been lessened when the tyres have been changed for a better tyre compound.
Will give my review once I get to try one out first hand.
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Hey, bikerdoc, this looks interesting. any chance of changing the text to white so we can read it?
does that really say top speed of 200kph?
six-speed gearbox? sweet!
cheers
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euphonius
Hey, bikerdoc, this looks interesting. any chance of changing the text to white so we can read it?
does that really say top speed of 200kph?
six-speed gearbox? sweet!
cheers
Done Euph, not sure what happened there. Even increased font size so you can read it too. Yes, has claimed top end in excess of 200km/h, with one guy taking a new 650NK past 166km/h - scary stuff for a regular Chinese in my book. 6-speed, and possibly with ABS from what I have read, but I'm trying to dig around and confirm this. Might just have to wait until I try this out for myself later. The 650TR previously mentioned is in production along with the 650NK. The 650RS which is the fully faired touring model with panniers etc is likely to be out first or second quarter of 2012. I'm going to try to pull some strings to see if I can pick up a 650TR since I don't want to have to wait until 2012.
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I previously posted that i've heard a lot of good things about the cf650nk, but i've since heard some pretty bad reviews. It's all chatter of course, but i was out with 18 bikes riding through Zhejiang and the cf650nk was the only bike that had any problems. The guy riding it absolutely hated it. Most of the group said that the engine is terrible and completely untested, and it certainly proved to be the case as the rider had to coast back down the mountain to safety.
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Poor guy - must of sucked having a breakdown, and then everyone jumping on his new bike.
Well, it can happen to any new bike. Anyone who owned an AMF Harley can attest to that.
Still, I am impressed with the new CF650 - it does appear to be healthy competition for the JH600.
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dewsnap
I previously posted that i've heard a lot of good things about the cf650nk, but i've since heard some pretty bad reviews. It's all chatter of course, but i was out with 18 bikes riding through Zhejiang and the cf650nk was the only bike that had any problems. The guy riding it absolutely hated it. Most of the group said that the engine is terrible and completely untested, and it certainly proved to be the case as the rider had to coast back down the mountain to safety.
So what was the problem specifically? Do you know why the 650NK owner 'hated' it? When you write that he had to coast back down the mountain to safety, why so? Was the mountain unsafe in some way? Did he coast down under engine power or otherwise? I'm not trying to pull your 'pud' so to speak - just playing the devils advocate. :P
That's not to say that the 650NK in the group wasn't suffering from some mechanical problems (can you be more specific?), I'd be cautious in saying that all 650NK's have such problems. Even if there is some anomaly that is only just now becoming apparent, I'm sure that CFMoto will more than likely be trying their darnedest to rectify it. CFMoto upgraded several parts on my Jetmax within months of my purchasing it, since mine was one of the bikes from the first production run (beta model perhaps). A number of parts were upgraded between the first and subsequent production runs. Moreover I'd wonder just how this particular 650NK has been handled by said owner since purchase? Being that regular and routine maintenance is frequently overlooked and not done in PRC, on most things both expensive and inexpensive.
As you rightly point out, a lot of the chatter you heard is most likely unfounded gossip and if such chatter is from the average Chinese then also likely quite biased too as I've found in my experiences in PRC. I know that many Chinese here believe that anything foreign, or with a foreign name has got to be better - and while that MAYBE the case in some instances it ISN'T so.
Most of the group that you rode with stating that the engine is untested means almost nothing, if they cannot substantiate such a claim with evidence - do any of them work for CFMoto per chance? Have any of them been to CFMoto facilities in Hangzhou as I have and seen the facilities and the testing centre along with the R&D dept, first hand as I have? Me thinks, highly unlikely! Have any of them been to any of the other Chinese motorcycling manufacturing facilities as a comparison? I have, as have others here, and from my point of view it's akin to comparing chalk with cheese. CFMoto have a state of the art facility and stand head & shoulders above other motorcycle manufacturing facilities I've seen here. I know just how lengthy a testing period the 650NK has undergone according to what I was told and shown on my visit to CFMoto. I'm assured and fairly confident, that the 650NK (and engine) wasn't just manufactured and then sold, without undergoing extensive testing first. It's been tested for at least a year as far as I recall. Not to say that there could be some problems not found in testing that have now come to the fore in the wild so to speak.
While this can have a dramatic effect on the big picture, lets first look at the specifics in detail. An aspect often lacking in PRC, by the AVERAGE Chinese person. Dewsnap, can you provide more information? I'd only be more than interested to know specifics and then contact either the Zhejiang agent and/or my CFMoto contact in the company to discuss the issue.
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If Dewsnap says this fellow rider -- one of the first 650NK early adopters -- was having serious frustrations with the bike in a posse of riders, I'm certainly willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Surely this bike is an early production model, or perhaps even a late beta, which could explain a lot. As bikerdoc notes, CFMoto has a record of beta testing bikes on its paying customers. If this 650NK owner had to coast down the mountain, I'm assuming this was because the engine, transmission or drive train was malfunctioning somehow, and that was his only option. Sounds to me like a resourceful, thoughtful rider.
This is the first first-hand account of the new bike's performance in the wild, and, as such, it's far from hearsay or rumor. It's fact as witnessed by Dewsnap. It would be fantastic if that rider could join mychinamoto and post up about his experiences. Hell, give me his number and I'll interview him for MCM. it's one of the most promising new bikes on the horizon, a fantastic prod for keeping Jialing and others on their competitive toes, so let's do our best to cut through the murk and emotions and get straight to the facts.
Dewsnap, can you help us to contact this 650NK guinea pig?
cheers!
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Lao Jia Hou
Poor guy - must of sucked having a breakdown, and then everyone jumping on his new bike.
Well, it can happen to any new bike. Anyone who owned an AMF Harley can attest to that.
Still, I am impressed with the new CF650 - it does appear to be healthy competition for the JH600.
Too true, to have a new bike, and a Chinese one at that and with the associated price point, there will be many a Chinese that will point the finger figuratively and say "I told you so" A close mate of mine in NZ, going back 15+ years who rode in our riding group, bought a brand new 1200 sporty and I swear it broke down from the get go. Every ride he (and a few others) would carry an array of tools just in case. Admittedly those tools weren't always needed on every ride we did, but his was the only ride that I recall that ever needed significant & reoccurring attention on the side of the road or some other such place from time to time. Aside from a much older Ducati Dahma DS900.
That to me didn't mean that all HD's were unreliable, nor in my mind did it mean that all 1200 or even 883 sporty's were either. As is often said, there is often a lemon in amongst the oranges (sic) - author unknown.
There is a motorbike workshop not far from me, that has a collection of mainly mid-sized Japanese motorbikes in varying stages of dismantle with a few European motobikes just to add some flavour. Many of these are almost complete engine related rebuilds. There's even a nice near new 650GS with major ECU chip problems, that was bought by a guy that has just left the motorbike in the workshop, and his bike has been sitting in the corner of that workshop shop collecting a substantial layer of dust/dirt for months and months. Not sure why he hasn't just bought a new ECU chip - perhaps it's cost or availability related?
Reading a number of motorbike/scooter forums one can find various motorbikes with all kinds of problems, some of these are new models, or newly purchased, and some with reoccurring themes. Just sayin...
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Hey guys. I realise my post was a bit vague and probably a bit unfounded. We were riding in heavy rain on a steep twisty mountain, the bike was spluttering and losing power for about half an hour until the engine stalled and wouldn't start again. It could have been a simple electrical problem. He had to roll back down the mountain in neutral to the nearest villiage, and we never saw him again. The bike was brand new, and from my own experience with the Regal Raptor from new, i also had many problems so i'd assume that most China bikes need an extended breaking in period. I told the group that i was interested in the bike and the owner of the cf650nk expressed his disliking of the bike. I don't know specifically why, but he had many problems and a lot of the riders were quick to put me off stating the engine was poor. Again, i don't really know on what basis. I do know Tony (the leader of the group) works at the Benelli shop on Pubei Lu and is a bit of a guru when it comes to China bikes, well respected amongst the Motor Fans crew. I'll speak to him again and try to get the owner of the cf650nk's details. I'll mention this forum and the thread and hopefully he'll chime in. My apologies for slating the bike, i'm just going on what i've seen and heard, i can't state that all cf650nk are junk just because this one guy had problems.
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Thanks for that honest and forthright update, Dewsnap.
Needless to say, I think the bottom line for all of us is to have CFMoto and Jialing and other contenders seriously raise their game in design, production quality and support. We as customers deserve no less.
cheers!
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Hi guys, I spoke at length yesterday with the Zhejiang based agent of CFMoto and I raised the point that there seems to be some problems highlighted by some about the new 650NK. The agent was very frank and forthright, stating that admittedly there had been a problem with the first production run (which were all sold out) with 10 bikes (from what I understand coming to buyers in Zhejiang) and possibly 20+ bikes for China as a whole (nb. there maybe something lost in the translation here, as I can't be sure that he meant 10 bikes for Zhejiang out of a total initial production run of 20+ units). That aside they were all sold, and the only issue that became apparent was to do with paint quality, and none to do with engine, transmission or electrical problems. The agent said, he has not heard of any of the buyers complaining about their 650NK.
CFMoto are already well into the second production run of the 650NK and already many of the units are sold. I'm hoping to be able to get to the CFMoto agent in Taizhou in the next 7 days or so, but a lot of other items pressing on my available time, so this might be delayed for the time being. I will see.
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Why do they (the Chinese) have to copy machines from other countries all the time? It's been quite a few years now since they've become a bit more mainstream and all they seem to to do - is copy, copy and copy.
It's quite disgraceful really, why can't they move on, where's their own ingenuity?
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wozza
Why do they (the Chinese) have to copy machines from other countries all the time? It's been quite a few years now since they've become a bit more mainstream and all they seem to to do - is copy, copy and copy.
It's quite disgraceful really, why can't they move on, where's their own ingenuity?
Hmmmm ... I guess the Chinese are copying the Japanese who have been copying the Americans (e.g., the long run of Harley-look-alikes that are coming out of Japan).
I hope bikerdoc picks this bike up and acts as the test-subject for us - I kinda like it. I had the benefit of Pf, TA, Euph, Franki, etc., testing the JH600 for me.
@Dewsnap - no problem, man ... you're just reporting what you experienced, which is great - helps all of us. I just feel for the poor sap ... I've been in his shoes (boots?) and it ain't fun.
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Yes I agree with you over the Japs copying Harley, but most of their machines still have their own touches and you know straight away it's not a Harley. Now look at the this new 650 CFMoto you would have to look twice to see that it's not a kawasaki.......
Surely the Chinese can start making their own influence on machines. Did they really have to copy the styling of the Kawasaki? No, but as usual they did.
The Chinese are phenomenally clever people, so why copy all the time?
Look at Jonway's GTS500 twin scooter that was supposed to be released in 2009. It's still not released yet as it's proving technically difficult for them. All it is, is a sleeved down Honda 600 Silverwing.
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I have to chime in here and ask: why does everyone say it looks the same as a kawasaki er6? The geometry and engine or whatever may me a blatant copy, i don't know, but the styling is absolutely not copied. Look:
http://img.hexun.com/2011-05-29/130059389.jpg
CF650: Angular, carved surfaces. Poised, aggressive styling.
http://www.bikemonkey.com.au/images/...aki-ER-6ne.jpg
Kawa ER6n: softer more fluid lines to make it look less intimidating, as it's pitched as an entry level bike.
Look at every detail on the bikes, healight, side cowls, tank, seat, tail, pillion pegs, anything; not a single one is the same on either bikes.
If anything, the CFmoto takes more styling cues from KTM, which also have a very angular design language.
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The Chinese are phenomenally clever people, so why copy all the time?
You're just stereotyping to suit your argument. They're no more clever than 'us', you just have that image in your head.
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The Chinese are phenomenally clever people, so why copy all the time?
The Chinese education system puts almost its entire emphasis on High School Exams that mostly rely on memorization and rote learning. Also there is a huge pressure in the job market where many people buy their way in to a good job and use family connections, rather than the most skilled candidate getting the job. This is why imaginative and innovative designers are few and far between in many Chinese companies.
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Lao Jia Hou
Wow thats really awesome, in orange it looks great and too attractive also, its features are very nice and also comfortable to ride on these bike, it is really great bike.
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Just looked at the cfmoto 650 ( i am in love ) i like the look of it , wish now i waited and never bought the honda lol, well TIC! and i wanted to buy locally, been reading lots of threads was up until 1am this morn reading them,,, then back on from 11am continued to go through the pages and pages of usefull info and then came across the CF650.
Never mind maybe next year.
As a point of interest , on the videos that are posted on chinese sites , the people who are demonstrating and or buying a motorcycle , WHY do they REV the fecking hell out of them taking it to the red line, if baffles me somewhat, i would never dream of doing that to someones motorbike, even at the dealers i would not do that, can you imagine what the engine would be like if everyone who come to see joe bloggs bike done that, jeezo, i would make sure if i was selling mine that no one did that , because if it broke , WHO`D pay....but still a nice CF650, away to cry now (sob)
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Robeta
As a point of interest , on the videos that are posted on chinese sites , the people who are demonstrating and or buying a motorcycle , WHY do they REV the fecking hell out of them taking it to the red line, if baffles me somewhat, i would never dream of doing that to someones motorbike, even at the dealers i would not do that, can you imagine what the engine would be like if everyone who come to see joe bloggs bike done that, jeezo, i would make sure if i was selling mine that no one did that , because if it broke , WHO`D pay....but still a nice CF650, away to cry now (sob)
ahh yes, the bike test:: It goes vroooom .. ok? Yes? You buy? Here, look, it very very vroooom. You buy?
That and what I saw them doing to bikes to 'restore' to brand new looking condition put me off buying second hand. Next time someone wants to inspect a motorcycle, print this before you go http://www.clarity.net/adam/buying-bike.html
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@ slabo - that's a great link, helpful as a check list for anyone thinking about buying.
@ robeta - right on bro about the rev'ing a bike. I still remember my dad yelling at me for rev'ing a car after I started it. This was followed up by my Grade 11 auto mechanics teacher yelling at me for rev'ing a car after I started it. Later in life, my bike mechanic yelled at me for rev'ing a bike after I started it.
Finally it sunk into my thick skull ... when you start an engine, it is cold and there is VERY little oil acting as lubrication. It takes time for the oil to warm, become slippery and viscous, and for the oil pump to do its job. Rev'ing the sh1t outta an engine is always just plain stupid, but especially when it is cold.
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I saw this at the JC Moto place in XuHui near the Pubei lu dealer. It said "duke" on it. Not sure if this is the same bike as the CF650 but it looked impressive.
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It said "duke" on it. Not sure if this is the same bike as the CF650 but it looked impressive.
KTM makes a "Duke" and it looks like that (appropriate KTM color, too).
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Lao Jia Hou
KTM makes a "Duke" and it looks like that (appropriate KTM color, too).
I like it. Very big, beefy bike. At first I thought it was a Benelli. My preference though is for the bike on the left side of it. :lol8:
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Can the Duke be plated in China?:riding:
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Don't mean to dig up an old thread but I figure it's better than making a 4th thread about the same bike!
The 650NK (Ninja King?) WILL be available in the US by years end, 2012. This has been confirmed by two dealers here in the States but they don't know anything more than that. :(
Any one have any new experiences with the 650NK since 2011? I have to imagine the bike has been out for some while elsewhere in the world. I'm really planning on taking a good look at this bike when it arrives to the US. If someone wanted to grab me a brochure or something of the NK from China to stare at for 6 months, I would be incredibly grateful.
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I was interested in the 659TR - CFMoto said they have "production problems". It is even not advertised on their website anymore. But this just as quick info.
I wonder a bit about comments regarding why and/or why not riding bike XYZ is "the best" in China, in general and whatsoever... Guys, be happy that finally there is some movement in the chinese mid-size/big bike market. JH600, CF650, BJ600GS - wow, who would have imagined this a few years ago?
And be happy that there are now big-bore one cylinder-, two cylinders- and even four cylinders-engines with sufficient horse power. And they all offer a different riding style and pleasure. :icon10::icon10::icon10:
More important is that it increases competition! After-Sales, Service, Warranty, Quality - here we need improvement (in China)! And here we (the bikers and the buyers) should work together, independently of the brand we are driving! This forum is a great place and gives a very good opportunity - and I assume that the different motorcycle companies are reading our posts. Do not let us dilute our main interest, which is, I guess and hope, to enjoy motorbiking and to get the best for our money!
