Haha nice one Bikerdoc, respect man. Hey so i'm gonna PM you a list of various problems i've been having in life lately, if i understand correctly they'll be gone tomorrow!
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Haha nice one Bikerdoc, respect man. Hey so i'm gonna PM you a list of various problems i've been having in life lately, if i understand correctly they'll be gone tomorrow!
Steve,
Where is the local Nanjing dealer for CF Moto located? Thanks in advance.
They're in 萨家湾 (Sajiawan), at the crossing of 萨家湾 and 马台街。You can't miss it. It's a store on the corner with a big CFMoto 650 TR in the window. Just in case, the guy's mobile is: 18912962226 (He doesn't speak English, though)Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasAggie
Thanks!
haven't been here long time. Thread's dead just like I expected it to be.
Anyways, since I've (mostly) figured out the personal reasons that kept me away from posting here, I'll continue with my reviewing the machine.
Love's not gone. Neither has it faded. It's still there.
First things first: yesterday night had a chance to test the brakes, and, honestly, I with the bike had an ABS. Tight grip on the brake lever blocks the front wheel with ease and it's not easy to figure out how much pressure exactly I should be applying to stop effectively and to avoid lockup. I can live with that - none of my bikes had an ABS, but, c'mon, it's the end of 2012, right?
Next, rain riding. I know it's not a CFMoto 650 TR, in which case I would've been protected from the elements by extensive fairing. It's an NK, where NK is, apparently, NaKed.
Problems are: rear fender doesn't really protect the rider's back from the road dirt. I believe that the pillion's back in the rain would be twice as dirty. The drops can be clearly seen here:
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I could've installed a massive black rubber mudflap like they do on cabbage bikes, but I'm currently looking for a more aesthetically pleasing solution.
Another one is the radiator. See, when you ride in the rain, the front fender doesn't really deflect much of a water stream from under the wheel and most of it gets on a radiator. Be it an intentionally designed passive cooling feature or an engineering drawback, anyways, water, once it gets there, tends to evaporate.
The bike's steaming like a teapot and the steam is pretty visible. At a standstill that fogs up both the helmet visor and my glasses, which is very unpleasant and could be dangerous. The steam fume is massive. And I mean so massive that a couple of drivers pulled over and informed me, quote, that "the bike is on fire and is obviously smoking and could blow up any second, so I'd be better like running away or something".
I tried to catch it on the photo, and there it is down below, but the picture doesn't make it justice.
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Anyways, the oil change was done and the oil was as expected, the new dash's working fine, no misting anymore. The bike starts on cold mornings like it should and everything has been fine so far.
PS: Feels good to be back.
С возвращением!
About the front fender: just google "front fender extension". Or pick up with you tent big enough for a NK and some birch twigs and voila - here's your personal sauna on the road.
About the rear fender: I don't think that you could find a bolt-on solution. It is difficult to modify, more accurately, to extend existing rear fender, in order to protect your back. I remembered the design of the protectors you could see, for example, on the first gen. BMW F 650, Cagiva Canyon, Suzuki Freewind...
IMO, if you manage to install some sort of simlilar construction to the swingarm, there would be no problem to install additional long protective arch.
BTW, if you are still in the mood for a rubber mudflap, I can send you one brand new, with inscription AZLK on it. :lol8:
Steve ,
I want give you my opinion about the raining water / vapor .
In the top of frame there is a hidden concave place where the water is accumulated , only two little holes to drain , directly over the radiator .
Side Effects : that great amount of vapor goes directly to dash, this must be totally sealed for avoid malfunctions .
Enjoy your fantastic bike.
:)
I somehow think the extended front fender will make it look more like a cruiser, but I'll check if I can get something of that sort over here on taobao.com.
As for the rear fender I think I could get the whole rear fender assembly off of either BMW or Suzuki you mentioned and install it (if available in China, that is)
Thanks, man, I'll check.
It is better that front fender looks more like a cruiser, than that you be so dirty, like you've just returned from the moto-cross race.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve_Halt
Here is what I have in mind.
http://images2.revzilla.com/product_...ender_zoom.jpg
And again, I don't think you'll be able to find simple bolt-on solution for your bike.
As I see, the main problem is not where to find whole assembly (if nothing else, it can be fabricated), but how to fix it on the swingarm. Maybe to make some kind of clamps or use holes that are circled in the picture below. I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve_Halt
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I like that BMW pic. I could install that no problem, then I got a hugger over the rear wheel. I could very well install the same fender extension over the rear wheel hugger. Problem solved :)
keep us in touch as I got the same problem with my rear mudguard. Pictures and stuff.
I'll try to figure it out this Monday (at least find a mudguard extension on taobao and post the link if it works)
Actually, I have another weird thing going on with the bike. I posted it in the conversation with Topmanda in his review thread but I believe it qualifies for a repost here. Anyways, the "problem" goes as follows:
When I turn the key and engage the engine killswitch (the big red knob on the right handlebar), the red EFI warning light blinks about 7-10 times and then shuts off. The bike then starts and rides just like it did before, no changes. I wonder what that might be because that light wasn't blinking before. So is it like my speedo started doing a right thing or the readings are off the wall?
You should find information about the blinking warning light in your user manual. Without being able to view the manual I'd say it is likely related to the ignition on, then kill switch operation procedure, interfering with the ECU self test procedure these bikes with EFI management system utilise. The number of blinks gives you the code which you can look up in the manual. If after you switch the ignition off, or deactivate the kill switch so that you can start the bike and the condition clears itself, I'd say don't worry about it. On my Jetmax the sidestand warning light stay illuminated all the time the ignition is switched on, yet I can still start and ride the bike. Under normal operation the side stand down which should then lead to illumination of the said light, should prevent the starting of the Jetmax. Just one of those gremlins...Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve_Halt
Regarding read mudguards a-la F-650/Canyon/Freewind: I remembered that I've seen something similar on Chinese underbones with 13" wheels. On the photos is Yingang's model: http://top.yingangmotor.com/bimg.aspx?id=909 , http://top.yingangmotor.com/bimg.aspx?id=921 . I do not think that these mudguards are expensive, so if they are wide enough and somehow they can be installed in the swingarm, they could be used for experimenting.
bikerdoc, I guess I would've referred to the manual if the condition prevented me from riding the bike somehow. But, since it does not, I'm lazy with my Chinese manual. I should probably still read it just to check if it's not an indication of worse things to come. For now, though, it's not affecting the ride anyhow :)
Zorge, so that's the mudguard you mean! Yeah, I think I could get hold of one of those - would look sexy on a bike too (I suppose). Actually, those underbones you posted do look good and it's a pity I haven't seen them in any of the shops around here. Might very well be for export only. Those tires are definitely a hit and I like the overall design too.
Although basically correct, I should not leave it.
It is indeed an indication system by a code, most likely as on all other bikes, each long blink is 10 (ten), each short blink is 1 (one).
There might be pause(s) between series of blinks, then you have multiple error codes.
Codes refer, as mentioned, to the manual, which then explains which part of the electric system is at fault (like a sensor, switch, fan, etc.).
It might be that it is history-only, from a dealer test-run with some sensors disconnected.
It stays in the memory till cleared, and shows at each start.
Most easy is to have the dealer clear the memory (if you can not do it yourself), then run the engine and check again.
If nothing wrong, the EFI warning light will go off without blinking.
If a new code occurs, you better check and replace the faulty part.
Never know what is wrong, so why leave it?
The system is there to indicate there is a problem, even if you don't notice it on the running of the bike.
Eric
When I bought my SP-2, the owner was desperate cause the engine was running very bad, and the "dealer" had figured out that the bike was throwing 16 (!) error codes.
No one was able to translate those error codes into solutions for him, and no one was interested to buy the bike after a test ride.
I bought it a very good price (and I mean really very good), checked the codes, replaced the fuel pressure switch (300RMB from Japan) which was one of the indications, cleared all codes and the bike runs like new .... and the EFI light stays off.
You can earn a lot of money if you know what you are doing :icon10:.
998S, that's right it terms of dealing with it straight away. I'll count those blinks and check my manual tonight. Still I believe that it's a history thing and I'd start with resetting history and then checking if the error code is thrown again.
Problem here is: the dealer is incompetent and knows not how to do reset/clear the memory.
I know that neither.
I could probably start browsing Chinese forums for solution but I don't really know where to start with.
I'll figure it out anyway I think.
Thanks for the encouragement :)
So, I have three days trying to explain to you, but you just today realised what I mean? I was convinced that my English is a little better...Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve_Halt
Anyway, yesterday I asked Freewind owners on our local moto-forum is there any real benefit from this "thing", this partial fender on the swingarm. They say it really reduces splashing.
I will try one lаst time to explain my idea about the rear fender.
Take a long enough fender (brand new, or extended stock), and place where it shoud be. As additional point of suport for that long fender, use modified rear fender which I mentioned or fabricate a new support point that will be fixed at the same position as the one I mentioned.
Please do not ask me to draw you a sketch.
Yeah I figured it out :)
We've been talking at cross purposes - I was thinking of a fender extension. That separate mudguard is indeed quite helpful - I saw it being installed on a couple of Yamaha scooters and it looks cool and works fine.
Will try to get my hands on one of those bigger ones
I was playing with the bike the other day to discover it was installed with a Ducati ECU.
Could this be genuine ?
Has been covered before on this forum, Ducati electronics have no relationship with Ducati motorbikes.
Dear Eric, do you have a link? I'd like to know how this dual Ducati principle works!Quote:
Originally Posted by 998S
thanks/cheers!
Dear Mr. J. :naughty:Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
I did not write that the principle was discussed in the forum.
OP asked if his ECU was genuine, his question surely inspired by the name Ducati on it.
Ducati electronics were discussed in a MCM forum some while ago, concluding it has nothing to do with the Ducati bikes.
Seriously, I don't really understand your question.
It is a normal ECU, what should be dual about it?
Let me know and I will try to dig up some answers.
Sorry I failed to make myself clear. I'm just curious to know how there can be two companies called Ducati in the motorcycle space, and how big Ducati tolerates this. Or perhaps little Ducati is a spinoff with rights to the name. By "dual Ducatis" I was only grasping for cheap alliteration. I would like to know how these two unrelated but related (through market confusion) companies coexist.
Oh, and of course I was too lazy to google these myself...
I can not answer how this is possible, but it's true - Ducati motorcycles and Ducati Energia are two separate companies.
For decades is not uncommon to see Ducati ignition оn а bikes that are not Bologna's Ducatis.
OK, I checked.
Ducati EnergiaQuote:
Ducati Energia, SpA is an Italian company based in Bologna which produces electrical and electronic components. It was originally founded by the Ducati brothers, Adriano, Marcello and Bruno Ducati. The original Ducati company was called Societa Scientifica Radio Brevetti Ducati. In the late 1940s, the Ducati company began producing engines for bicycles and later motorcycles, leading to the later split into two companies: Ducati Meccanica and Ducati Elettronica. The former specializing in the manufacture of motorcycles and the latter for radios and electrical devices and components.
Ducati Elettronica was renamed Ducati Energia in the 1980s, and currently designs a wide range of electronic components and subsystems for use in automobile, construction, and security.
It has a presence in many countries across Europe and Asia.
Nature says that a certain Adriano Ducati developed in 1962 a magnetohydrodynamic system for travelling into outer space. (source is the newspaper nature)
And here's a PDF describing the Ducati Energia fuel injection system for motorcycles.
Believe it or not, nowadays Ducati (The Motorcycle Company) uses Mitsubishi FI - ECU / Siemens electronics among others........Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorge
See pic attached, ECU used in a 2012 Ducati model.....Quote:
Originally Posted by AussieMoto