Zongshen 宗申产业集团有限公司

I wish Honda would make those in India and sell them here for cheap.


They have a model there they call the CB Trigger, but its smaller and does not have the cradle frame.
The CB300 frame is designed to hold a twin, they could put the 223cc engine in it for the Indian market. They could offer it with their PGM-I they sold them when they were partnered with HERO but replaced that with the CBR250 and 150 I guess.


CB Trigger
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Hero Karizma
http://www.indiancarsbikes.in/wp-con...arizma-R-2.jpg


I think that a CB230 just like what Zongshen is making actually made by Honda with fuel injection would be great and coming out of India they could price them very low, close to 3k I would think for the USA.

The Zongshen 250NC is showing up in the Hanway STR 250NC.
That engine is making its way into the market. http://www.hanwaymotor.com/image/det...20250NC-01.jpg

If you are looking for an RX3 here are several dealers offering them from 19800-23800
http://motor.newmotor.com.cn/ZS250GY...4/baojia.shtml

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After reading the article and frank remarks from Zongshen's founder, as well as daily commuting on a TMEC 200 with a stout Zongshen engine for 9 months, I would very much hope this unique bike makes it to the US. If worse comes to worse, I could somehow fit a Baja designs street lighting kit to the SSR 250 dirt bike, to at least enjoy the engine...

It’s not likely we will see the RX3 anytime soon here in the USA, I wonder if it was considered as an Aprilia? It would look good red and black, they could offer them at around $4,500.00 maybe as an Avvetura 250?


Half the Piaggio USA scooter line is manufactured in china, they could use that same approach with these and Aprilia?


I wonder if the next offering could be a 500 twin utilizing that same base engine? If the developers/engineers behind it were crafty they may have considered that. Its not uncommon in the industry for singles to be halves of twins. Then there could be a Avventura 500 twin next or an RX6 Zongshen.


Aprilia has no entry level bikes for the US market, they do in Europe though, but they are all 125cc bikes. Here it be a 250-500 line that would be considered entry level and in this case priced under the current offering at around $9500.00, so that would be the 4500-7500 retail price range.

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The engine in the RX3 is Zongshen’s NC250, same as the engine used in the SSR 250 motocross, the SSR is an AsiaWing copy of a Honda CRF450 frame.


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The SSR is being sold in the US for about $3,300.00.

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I can't link to the video since I am on a tablet, but SSR uploaded a couple of videos on youtube showing this bike in action on the track. 'SSR motorsports SR250 follow cam Pala Raceway' is the title of one of the video. Looks promising!

http://auto.onliner.by/2013/09/25/m1nsk-2

The Zongshen RX3 is now in the m1nsk product line as their TRX300.

ZS250GY3A- Lightning
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ZS250GY-3 -Thunderstorm
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RX-3
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Hisun lost the production of the Megelli to Zongshen, the bike sports the NC250 engine.
It will likely get the same efi as the RX3 and also be offered in China, in fact for sure in China, but as a Zongshen and a M1NSk in Belarus.

This is old news....LOL


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The perfect combo to me out of these bikes would be the RX3 and Megelli's SM. The entry-level naked and sportsbikes, at least in the US, are already covered by Kawasaki, Honda, and Hyosung. I am not looking for entry-level anyway, so the SM would be cool just to have as a commuter, while the RX3 would make a good, low-cost local adventure bike to explore the rest of Arizona and trips into Mexico. I would even consider riding from my home in Yuma down the entire Baja peninsula, and back on the RX3.

The Zongshen NC250 engine has been the engine in the Megelli 250R from the onset? Its been a Zongshen engine since the get go and is the same engine now used in the RX3...so that engine has been reviewed and has been around for nearly four years.


Now that the Megelli are manufactured by Zongshen rather then HiSun they should get a second look, hopefully the poor material and build quality has been resolved.


http://www.motorcycle.com/manufactur...iew-89622.html

Minsk R250
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The Zongshen NC250 engine has been the engine in the Megelli 250R from the onset? Its been a Zongshen engine since the get go and is the same engine now used in the RX3...so that engine has been reviewed and has been around for nearly four years.


Now that the Megelli are manufactured by Zongshen rather then HiSun they should get a second look, hopefully the poor material and build quality has been resolved.


[URL]http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/2010-bennche-megelli-250r-review-89622.html[/U-RL]

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I was under the impression the engine was a Loncin unit, but if it has been Zongshe all this time, that is better to prove this engine's quality and longevity.

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Minsk R250
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Minsk has jumped wholeheartedly into using Chinese OEMs, or at least Zongshen, which is a good thing vs. Their ancient lineup.

Chinese manufacturers clambering for the Russian market at the moment, it's a relatively easy sell with many Russian companies willing to sort out their own EUROIII COC.

Yes there are David, quite a few some of the operations in Russia and Eastern Europe as well as South America are assembling CKD units. M1NKS is owned by the Belarus government so their interests go beyond just making a buck they actually may want to build and also maintain a national brand.


With respects to emissions, I would consider it unwise for anyone to rely on a Chinese OEM to offer legitimate compliance all products imported should be independently tested. it’s a tedious matter however authorities in some regions take emissions seriously.


In instances like Zongshen and M1NSK and also Loncin there other OEM these larger companies likely are better but still all configuration should be checked as they can and will falsify test data. Then again some clients do not care and in some countries the emission laws are nothing more then international PR and enforcement is non existent and or can be bought off.


Zongshen needs to embrace Megelli and support it as well as M1NSK, they can build on those types of relationships.

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Zongshen needs to embrace Megelli and support it as well as M1NSK, they can build on those types of relationships.

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From that interview with Zhu Zongshen a few months back (I think you linked it, MJH) from chinamotorworld, I think he might be one of the, if not the, person on top of bringing quality to Chinese manufacturers, or at least the only one at least paying lip service to it.

Obviously quality would have to play into any and all joint relationships. Even indirect ones, such as my TMEC 200 Enduro which is powered by a Zongshen 167FML engine; the engine keeps going and going; up to approx. 8000 miles/12000 kms now.

Zongsehn in some sense beat Honda in the market with their Z-ONE, likely a first in China, it was introduced first and Wuyang followed with its very similar X-150. Typically it is the other way around….That would make me believe that the Z-One are selling well and that’s not surprising as they are pretty spot on for the Asian market.

X-150 is officially released in October 17 Chongqing Mobo

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I think that they could make a mono-shock version of the Z-One, basically carry the design elements of the Z-One onto their Z150-38CII (Jaguar) with the 223cc engine, they should work on tuning that engine Hero is now getting 20hp out of their version of it...they could knock the Honda CB300 off it, that being make it lookl less like the Honda and spend some capital on getting more hp out of the 223cc OHC.



Z-One
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Jaguar Z2
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Zongshen Brazilian operation will offer up a version of the Megelli, as their Kasinski Comet 150SR.
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Motorcycle sales in Brazil are down 10% for 2013 over last year, however Kasinski sales numbers are off by 58%....the operation there is a joint venture between Hyosung and Zonghsen.
http://www.kasinski.com.br/novo/

Awkward missteps are nothing new, the combination line under an odd name, the new offering of the Comet 150SR is not on the website. I believe they sell both imports and assemble some in Brazil...retail prices are high.

Another big name in Brazil is Dafra.....they may be a sign of what is coming?
http://www.daframotos.com.br/daframotos/index


Innovation in business model
In addition to the partnership in 2011 with the MV AGUSTA, the most exclusive brand of high-displacement motorcycles in the world, for the production and marketing in key Brazilian markets models of the Italian company, the DAFRA has strategic agreements with BMW, Haojue, SYM, TVS Motor Company and Daelim, and now with Ducati. Together these companies have extremely important characteristics, such as product quality, technological edge over models and manufacturing processes, developing excellence and extensive experience in the two-wheel segment. Moreover, both Haojue as TVS are among the world leaders in production and sales of motorcycles, while Daelim and SYM are references in technology and quality.Partnerships predict not only the manufacture of products manufacturing unit in Manaus (AM), but include the transfer of knowledge and technology to DAFRA and its employees directly involved in the process, and the joint development of models with complete focus on the Brazilian consumer.

For about $1,800.00 USD you can get a 200cc Z-One in Thailand.


ryuka

I am hoping we will get the RX3 in the US. These small displacement sport bikes are ok, but are not on my shopping list. I like any size dual-sport/adventure, etc. bikes, and the RX3 would fit the bill nicely. I already spoke to one distributor out of California, but he has plenty of TMEC 200s, as well as the profit margin is not as big on motorcycles and scooters as on the UTVs they distribute.

Zongshen's Jaguar found its way into Zanella as their RX250 Sport.

In addition to the Zongshen Z-one showing up as the New Zanella RZ20

So they picked up some Zongshen manufactured bikes, but not anything with the 250cc water cooled engine, like the RX3.

I could be wrong but it seems that Zongshen will be selling the bikes they make for Megelli in China as a Zongshen and leave the rest to be sold internationally under the Megelli or Minsk brand names.

Or Megelli as brand may become History?

Derbi 150 launched in Pakistan
http://www.pakwheels.com/forums/bike...isson-byq150-6

please share engine specs if someone knows
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I am not sure you should ignore that the brand name on the bike is Piaggio and not Derbi….just because the forum calls it a Derbi does not mean the Zongshen is being sold under the Derbi brand name, Piaggio does own Derbi, however they are not selling what is coming out of the Zongshen/Piaggio joint venture.

Engine Single cylinder, four stroke
Cooling method Air cooled
Displacement 149ml
Bore x Stroke 62 x 49.5mm
Compression ratio 8.8 9.6 1
Ignition CDI
Startup mode Electric start
Transmission Chain drive
Maximum torque 11.0N.m/6000r.min
Maximum power 8.7Kw/8000r.min
Maximum speed = 90km/h

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Originally Posted by MJH

I am not sure you should ignore that the brand name on the bike is Piaggio and not Derbi….just because the forum calls it a Derbi does not mean the Zongshen is being sold under the Derbi brand name, Piaggio does own Derbi, however they are not selling what is coming out of the Zongshen/Piaggio joint venture.

Engine Single cylinder, four stroke
Cooling method Air cooled
Displacement 149ml
Bore x Stroke 62 x 49.5mm
Compression ratio 8.8 9.6 1
Ignition CDI
Startup mode Electric start
Transmission Chain drive
Maximum torque 11.0N.m/6000r.min
Maximum power 8.7Kw/8000r.min
Maximum speed = 90km/h

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I sure hope it can do more then 90km?!
I like the look and idea but us it that slow?
I would like it and costs8800¥