the KPR also has a 6th gear, larger front disc compared to the KP
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the KPR also has a 6th gear, larger front disc compared to the KP
KPR150
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...08dd7daa83.jpg
11,800.00 CNY = 1,899.02 USD
KP150
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...72f344446c.jpg
9,805.00 CNY = 1,578.62 USD
Your neighbors may be ridding these?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorge
Hamachi LF200-18 DUKE
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...45393ee4e7.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...807f8e9690.jpg
2V50ML
God knows where did they found those.
I thought that this bike is phased out at least five years ago.
Most interesting thing (for me) is his engine. Looks like compilation of already existing parts: note the cap tappet, oil screen cap, water pump...
Cannot imagine anyone getting excited over one of those, they are cheap though.
Lifan has added more engines to its website, they have a few new small horizontals.
Lifan displayed a 250cc DOHC Motocross standard at a recent trade show, the name on it was “DEEPA” it showed up under the Hamachi brand name, Hamachi’s are sold out of Macedonia.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...6f7ff07acf.jpg
I’ve seen a few You Tube videos of bikes with the Lifan 250cc oil cooled SOHC single and the engine sounded rough in the videos, seemed to have allot of knocking sound out of it?
I have also heard the 250cc DOHC water cooled and it sounded productive and smooth. That engine also comes in a 300cc version too. However not for the DEEPA, it is advertised on Hamachi’s site as there RCX-250-4T and athttp://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...29312d619e.jpg
2,340.00 EUR = 2,559.61 USD
Hamachi is utilizing both engines in that model and for the same prices, their specs are wrong which is disheartening. They also offer very little information or images of the bikes. They seem to both come with either 18*21 or 17*17 wheel options.
There was another model at the same show that bore the DP insignia.
What is most interesting to me is the disconnection between the companies website listed models and what shows up at trade shows. Seems that what is displayed at any trade show should also be displayed on the website. With details about the models, for instance this model looks very interesting, a totally differnt design from what we typically see out of Lifan.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...S/LIFAN/GP.jpg
Deepa is the Sanskrit word for "lamp", "light". ...
I would say somebody needs to turn the lights on.
To use the word at a trade show and then not insure that use of the word with "Lifan" or even Hamachi brought about information. If you combine two words then insure that all your metatags online direct inquirers to websites that contain detailed information.
By the way Hamachi is a Japanese word for a fish commonly used in Sushi called an Amberjack.
I would now like to address the theory that the west has kept the east from progressing....anyone?
I would have thought that Lifan would have embraced MV Augusta for engineering and designs. The whole issue of false pride comes to mind, in that getting to were you want to be is something to be proud of. If you are smart you take the help....if not or you dispute it and its validity and the results of that, that's another story.
OK, so what forementioned DP stands for? Double Penetration? :confused1:
This "Deepa's" DOHC you mentioned, looks to me like a plain "Yingang" AX-1 clone.
I know that you are more interested in classic designs, so, this... concept, transferred to classic design, would look something like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
Attachment 17356
Yes,. I know. It is abomination. :icon10:
You think that is a horizontal engine in that bike?
It is a mini isn't it...
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...LIFAN/GP-3.jpg
I have thought about a horizontal model, but not with a standard frame, it have to be larger and also have a larger engine. Lifan has added some engines to it site.
Model: 1P52FMH-3N
Type: Single-cylinder,four-stroke,air-cooled three-valve
double-automatic clutched 110cc
Displacement: 107ml
Compression ratio: 9.5:1
Primary reduction: 4.059
Bore*Stroke: 52.4mm*49.5mm
Max.Power & Rotating Speed: 7.0kw/8500r/min
Max.Net Power & Rotating Speed: 6.7kw/8500r/min
Rated Power & Rotating Speed: 6.5kw/8500r/min
Max.Torpue & Rotating Speed: 8.0N.m/6500r/min
Min.Fuel Consumption: ≤367g/kw.h
Ldling Speed:1500r/min
Ignition:CDI
Starter:Electric starter/kick starter
Lubrication: Pressure/splash
Transmission:4 speed
http://www.lifanth.com/images/storie...FMG-L(100).jpg
As for what I would put it in it look like this, which is a SL70 modified to have a longer wheelbase.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...f421ff8c5f.jpg
Not necessarily. In his portfolio, "Lifan" has 50 and 100 cc "bent" horizontals (same lower engine exept cylinder shaft moved up, same head, and cylinder fitted with standard cam chain tensioner.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
Which one's new? This 3 valve 110cc?
I think i saw those on their site long time ago.
Remember "Hanway's" li'l retro "Raw" 50, fitted with horizontal and with half duplex "Grissini"* frame? That is good and affordable base for your project bike.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
"Grissini"* - it is Italian word, but not another Italian motorcyle frame or builder like "Tonti", "Verlicchi", "Ceriani", "Ciemme"... I mean, this "Hanway's" frame is thin as much as decent grissini bread stick.
http://lifan-europe.com/ has apparently closed its business in Europe. The headquarters was in Neuss / Germany since 2008. I drive a Lifan 250-4 (Replica of Honda CMX250) and now get no spare parts any more. Neither newspapers nor in the Internet was to read about the business breakdown of Lifan-Europe. They disappeared in avery quiet way. Nobody noticed anything. I had my last contact to Lifan in 2013.
Does anyone know exactly, what was going on with Lifan-Europe?
CA250 clone http://www.h6.dion.ne.jp/~nori-to/re..._database.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Cardillac
List what u need, we may find the alternative that works http://www.impex-jp.com/catalogs/mot.../16kr3fj2.html
It looks like they had some good clearance prices, I would have bought one of the naked 250 for $2100.00Quote:
Originally Posted by Cardillac
Telefone doesn't work, e-mails won't be answered.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
Apart from this: It seems to me as if Lifan has made the mistake, to establish itself by low prices in the German market. But that does not work here. Lifans vehicles were denigrated and called China scrap. That is why the low pricec didn't help further.
There are young people and people with small incomes who would buy cheap and technically simple vehicles. For those people it is necessary to provide assistance on how to repair their bikes by themselves. These aids are, for example, organized in Internet forums. Lifan should have been active in those places.
You can only use the price advantage of Chinese motorcycles, if you can deal with their technical deficiencies and if they can be resolved without outside intervention. No German motorcycle workshop repaires Chinese motorcycles. If you arrive with something like that, they throw you out of the shop.
Motor biking has become something for rich and elderly men in Germany. Therefore, there are mostly expensive and large machines offered here. Young people do not drive bike because they can not afford these machines.
There is no market for small motorcycles in Germany. This market should be created. Lifan did not understand this fact. They thought, they would suceed with their low prices. And now they diappeared in a very silent and shameful way. That's too bad.
Registrations - Year 2015 Monthly registrations of PTWs PTW Powered-two wheeled (MP + MC) MC Motorcycle MP Moped Key markets Blank Not available
Country January February March PTW MC MP PTW MC MP PTW MC Austria 603 263 340 1078 554 524 5504 3672 1832 Belgium 1693 980 713 2698 1837 861 4050 2848 1202 Czech Rep 345 306 39 465 415 50 1580 1414 166 Germany 4620 3444 1176 9866 8003 1863 33104 28600 4504 Denmark 522 52 470 641 83 558 1197 330 867 Estonia 16 15 1 46 26 20 138 59 79 Finland 150 74 76 198 87 111 1076 386 690 France 13493 8483 5010 14079 9274 4805 21692 15718 5974 UK 5051 4486 565 3966 3516 450 16377 15463 914 Greece 1786 1786 0 1548 1546 2 2276 2275 1 Croatia 98 59 39 76 48 28 0 0 0 Hungary 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Ireland 144 111 33 92 70 22 0 0 0 Italy 10758 9296 1462 11391 9943 1448 18510 16570 1940 Lithuania 10 6 4 31 11 20 121 46 75 Luxembourg 57 40 17 118 81 37 285 223 62 Latvia 35 10 25 65 24 41 212 76 136 Netherlands 4460 675 3785 4135 635 3500 7013 1864 5149 Poland 1383 531 852 2166 939 1227 5583 2627 2956 Portugal 1076 939 137 976 862 114 1460 1305 155 Roumania 32 18 14 39 27 12 0 0 0 Spain 7845 6878 967 7964 6884 1080 12111 10934 1177 Slovakia Slovenia 48 15 33 159 57 102 Sweden 145 145 293 293 1332 1332 Bulgaria Cyprus Malta Total 54370 38612 15758 62090 45215 16875 133621 105742 27879
This is a little off center, the headers MP for the last column is missing it has three month of new registrations for 2015.
Germany is the third largest market for mopeds after France and the Netherlands, the largest market for motorcycles sales, bet the lion share of those are BMW.
I would have based them out of Romania, bet that is a large un developed market. But they would have to have better offerings, or offerings that made more sense.
Germany has the same learner class as other EU countries, Honda sells only the CBR125R and for about 4,000 EUR. The 250 in Europe are lame ducks as the beginner cannot ride them, by the time they get past learner they are beyond the 250 for most, they look to 500-650cc.
Lifan should have offered 125cc in Europe, it has been said already they need 15hp 125cc bikes. The CBR125R has 14hp.
If they offered the KP model and with a good 125cc engine it would have and would still do better for them as would having full line of 125cc models. Then a model like the DOHC “DEEPA” could also be offered Honda sell the CRF250L in Germany for about 4,755 EURO so the Lifan bike could be offered for 3,500.00 and should have a 2yr warranty.
How hard would it be for Lifan to offer a DOHC sport bike to compete with the CBR300R in Germany? Not a copy of it like so many are doing, just a similar type offering. It is only a fuel injected 300cc single.
To me everything about Lifan is hair brained.
Part of the assimilation to the EU will be setting up learner classifications....some have yet to do that. In the end all the members will have 125cc classes no?
I bet that Honda of Germany sent Lifan a letter warning them to stop selling a copy of their VTR250. They may or may not have, if they sold them in America they would get a letter eventually. A warning letter stop of we will sue you in court for damages.
Don't forget that there is huuuge second hand bike market in Germany...
BMW remains market leader (16.09%) in 2012 in Germany for all classes, followed by Honda (13.65%), Yamaha (8.44%), Piaggio (8.04%) and Harley-Davidson (7.48%). Within the larger motorcycles segment, BMW’s market share increases even to 23.16%.
Also the second most popular model sold in 2012 was an ER6-n, behind the most popular R1200 GS.
Lifan would do better in Germany selling Mopeds and motorized cycles.
Germany is not unlike America, new products have to really prove themselves. They have to be really well made, really well warrantied and professionally supported. The number of people willing to buy online is few and the markets are already slim. Not every country will want the same products, BMW will take more of a market share with what they develop out of TVS in India and then get to the market through it established dealers and for really good profits to.
Forget BMW. This is for the 60+ generation. Behind every group of BMW-driver drives the technical welfare organization and the ambulance.
In Denmark, the Chinese seem to have a lot of success especially Lifan.
http://www.bikedanmark.dk/
http://www.lifan4you.dk/html/motorcykler.htm
How can a newcomer to keep up with the technical standards of Honda or BMW?Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
If someone like Lifan brings smaller machines on the market in the lower price segment, it has to offer:
- Service hotline with competent technicians
- Clear and detailed workshop manuals
- community, so that you can identify with the product
- Organization of the supply of spare parts, including the not so legal tune-up utilities ...
The Danes have done better, and therefore there is booming business with Lifan motorcycles
The 125 of Honda, Yamaha, etc are bought little because they are too expensive and also the license costs a lot of money. Young people go mainly scooters.
:lol8: :lol8: :lol8: :lol8: :lol8:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cardillac
So true!
This spring in Greece: group of Italian gents from BMW club Ancona and 50 meters away, their support van.Quote:
Pics taken from here - http://forum.bjbikers.com/index.php?...1-hellas-2015/
- Top 10 registered models in Germany – 2014Quote:
Originally Posted by Cardillac
1) R1200GS
2) GT300 Super
3) Duke 125
4) MT07
5) MT09
6) YZF-R125
7) ER6-n
8) Z800
9) S1000R
10) WR125
They are buying the 125cc bikes in Germany, in 2014 Yamaha “L” class bikes three made it into the top ten. The KTM Duke 125 was the third bestselling model. The popularity of the “MT” Yamaha line brought about the MT-125…I think new for 2015 and likely will hit in the top ten for 2015.
Class A1
Category Light motorcycles (125cc)
: Mandatory on the class A1 is
a theoretical training.
A practical training.
Minimum age 16 years
Class A1 Summary
* light motorcycles and light motor scooters up to 125 cc
* Maximum power 11kW (15hp) - no speed limit
* Maximum power to weight ratio not exceeding 0,1 kW / kg
* Minimum in Germany 16 years
. a * Includes category AM The A1 license is not automatically 2 years extended to A2. To this end, an A2 license training is required.
I believe that allot of the used motorcycles end up in other countries, considering the low sales statistic in Romania and the high number of used bikes there and what seems to be relatively cheap prices. http://www.bikeshop.ro/anunturi-moto/sport-touring-1Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorge
Lifan disappeared from Germany without a trace and so quiet, as if it had never existed. Here's a forum post of a visitor of the Lifan headquarters in Neuss/Germany some time ago. With some photos.
http://www.yamasaki-forum.com/t1431-...europazentrale
Very very sad: C
Question for "Humanbeing": do you know anything about this 2V50ML engine? Any pros and cons?Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH