if they dont consider the correct coefficient of the used materials they have a problem.
no matter whether the steel grade is suitable for this application.
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if they dont consider the correct coefficient of the used materials they have a problem.
no matter whether the steel grade is suitable for this application.
Passion Moto (PM) is on the south perimeter road at GoldenPort Raceway. Call owner at 133 8144 6789 for specific directions. It is an independent importer of legal bikes, including BMW, Triumph, etc. It currently has a limited edition Guzzi & the Diesel Jeans Ducati (each are new, legal) sitting in its shop. A new, legal F800GS is low 200s plus tax, plates, etc. PM had two remaining in stock last week - it had six in March.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShuBen
A shop in South Beijing (Fengtai) also has a couple of illegal F800GS (around 100K+) - but the skid plate on one had salt stains (someone had tried to remove/hide most) - salesperson said it came out of an auction in Japan (draw your own conclusions). Check weifengtang.com for more listings.
"GW group" is a riding group of GW250 owners - we get together for weekly rides. At the beginning of last week's ride out to Pinggu, I selfishly convinced them to first stop by Passion Moto to check on the F800GS bikes.
scroll down for bike pics.....Quote:
Passion Moto (PM) is on the south perimeter road at GoldenPort Raceway.
http://hoghd.cn/viewthread.php?tid=11888&extra=page%3D3
http://hoghd.cn/viewthread.php?tid=12000&extra=page%3D2
....and a 'wing...
http://hoghd.cn/viewthread.php?tid=12124&extra=page%3D1
Thanks a lot! will find my way there today...
ask them if they have one of the BMW 800GS 30th.anniversary editions in stock, they looked very nice in the Shanghai dealership / importer warehouse a few weeks ago....Quote:
Originally Posted by ShuBen
starting to miss my black - yellow Aussie BMW 800GS "Bumble Bee".....
Just want to let you know....
I picked up another brand new X5 from the dealer last days.
This time the gear switches good so far. But it seems these bikes have a general problem.
Both bikes, old and new, have a smooth clutch as long as the engine is cold. While the engine/clutch/gearbox heat up they start to get a rough clutch behavior feel like the chain jumps over the sprocket. You can hear and feel it.
The chain was checked and is OK. Not too loose, not too tight, no damages.
After talking to my German Expert I learned it might be a problem with the clutch tolerances. The steel friction discs might stuck in the clutch basket because the heat expansion of the parts. Anyway it is a heat related thing. As soon as the engine is cool again its gone.
As soon as I have time I will disassemble the clutch and follow my friends advice to measure all parts and check where are too tight dimensions. The use a fine file to improve. Let's see if it works ... keep you updated
Does the technicians here have some tips for me?
thx ShuBen,
looking forward to your report (sorry not techi enough to give any advise, but eager to learn :icon10:)
Hi ShuBen,
I discussed the clutch thing with a friend... He rides a JH600 and had similar issues in the past. He found out that in his case it was the oil... Not sure... maybe worth checking?
Hi all,
I went to on of the dealers here in SH (Knight Rider)... and bad luck he didn't have a bike there... but lucky me... a guy showed up with his X5 and let me ride :icon10: Long story short... yes it's really a nice bike... quite agile when u pull the throttle :riding:
But I could see similar issues like described in detail from ShuBen... see pictures...Attachment 11524Attachment 11525
The fever is back.... :scooter:
He told me to wait till 15.06. as he will get the new bikes by this date... they alos move... here the new adress (after 01.06.2013)
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Best
... As soon as I have time I check the thing with changing the oil type. Thanks to Snev313. And the same advice I got from my German Expert too.
Now I am waiting to get the bike plated back. Should be done by tomorrow.
Do you remember? With our CJ it was the same. Changing to another oil type solved the problem for some time. It comes back after a while, don't know why
Got the X5 Jing A plated today. All paperwork OK and legal even it is a carburetor version.
The dealer told me today that Shineray will send new clutch parts to replace them in my bike.
seems they found the problem.
Now lets see what Taobao has to add some stuff.
Did they say what they changed...? I reckon I'll buy a X5 next month and would like to be able to tell the dealer straight away that I want the model with the new clutch, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShuBen
Today i changed the oil after the first 250km. It had quite a lot of debris in it and dark brown color.
From TaoBao I got oil filters for the X2 at 25RMB/pcs. It was the right assumption that the X2 filters matches the X5, see page3, post #22. (Thanks once more to Milton, who came up with that hint)
After checking with professionals I decided to use the 20W50 oil that I still had from my Harley. Under current weather condition it is a good choice regarding viscosity. Let's see how that affect the clutch problem.
I still have to ask Shineray what they found out regarding that problem. As I mentioned they will send new parts. So I think they should know what was wrong.
Here still a photo of the removed oil filter:
Attachment 11558
From TaoBao I ordered new turn signals as the original ones are not reliable to see in the sun light. That's the choice:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=...id=24580700402
Some Acerbis hand guards I got delivered too but the inner fixation brackets do not match the handlebar pipe profile. I have to file them to shape. Photos will be delivered once its done.
a) After the oil change to 20W50 the clutch problem is a little, little bit better.
Anyway the Shineray guy gave me feedback. He said the materials for the clutch to be delivered to me stay unchanged. But they have a mechanical change. Details he did not mention.
I am very eager to see the effect.
I have the impression that they really care the customer feedback because he sends me an internal punch list where various problems have been listed with measures to be taken for improvement and its actual status.
b) I got my turn signals from TaoBao today. Instead of hanging in the pub I installed them this evening. The front installation had been easy, but for the rear installation I had to rip the whole bike to pieces. Finally it work out. Here is the result.
b1) the new signal surface is bigger (but safety over styling)
b2) the arms are longer
b3) IMHO the visibility is improved
b4) I must check about the visibility in sunlight (was poor from the old ones)
Front & rear Old to New
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Spot on!
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dimension comparison
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Today I took the time to fix the ACERBIS hand guards.
Here the result:
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Good News for the X5! Have been with TB-Racing and another German friend in the BJ mountains. After a 320km curvy ride with gear switching marathon and the 20W50 oil replacement my clutch problem is gone. So now I still have to figure out whether the reason is the oil change only. I will put back a normal motorcycle oil 10W40 at next oil change and then we will see. Anyway in this case it is not a mechanical failure.
Got last days a luggage rack from Moto66 via TaoBao.
Today I have assembled but. Unfortunately it is the typical “good” Chinese stuff.
Better than the standard crap but still far from what I consider “Quality with Fit, Form,Function”.
Especially the shaping is a headache. Without a good tool set (I advise SATA tools) and certain skills it will not fit. I had to bend it at various points to achieved a shape match that allows assembly without big stress in the frame connection and the rear foot peg connector. One hole related to foot peg connection I had even to file wider to get a fit. Also the required bolts and nuts do not come with the rack and I had to measure and organize by myself.
At the end its attached …. But I still have to check the clearance between foot peg connector and swing arm. Not sure whether the swing arm moves that far up, but if…. It looks tight.
Foot peg situation before bending the rack:
Attachment 11871
Filed enlarged hole at foot peg connector:
Attachment 11872
Tight side clearance between rack holder and swing arm:
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Attached rack:
Attachment 11874
bought Saddle bags: brand MENAT, ca. 400RMB, first quality impression = good
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FYI, there is an 8 page review/test of the X5 in this month's Motorcycle magazine. Lots of pics, and also the dyno results.
Dead tree edition only, or is there an online version of Motorcycle?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lao Jia Hou
cheers!
At the front of the paper magazine (where the editors, etc., are listed) is a website:Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
www.bikemedia.cn
But I have never been able to make any sense of it. Sorry.
Hi ShuBen,
Any update on the clutch problems with this bike? Has the problem returned or has it been smooth riding since?
I hope Shineray can get this bike in shape as I'd love to order one asap.
Another question for you: How did they ship it to you? Was it all in one piece or was there some minimal assembly required. Forgive my ignorance, as I've never had a bike shipped to me before? Also, how much was the shipping from Chongqing to BJ?
Finally, do you know if the bike is "GuoSan" (Can it be plated?) I heard that you opted for the carb version over the EFI version. I'm assuming that the carb version doesn't meet "GuoSan" specs.
Thanks and keep up the great review!
The Clutch problem is gone since I changed the oil to half synthetic 20W50. Works absolutely smooth now.
For the other question:
a) I had nothing to do with shipping, the bike dealer cared all of this
b) The Carb version that I bought is at least in BJ OK to be plated. I have an A plate on it
One new thing I found out:
The gas tank has two connection possibilities for taps. when only one is installed the bike will not get enough fuel if the throttle is fully opened for few minutes. It starts sputtering.
First I thought it is a ignition problem, but then some nice guys from MCM gave me the right hint. Thanks.
C'mon... You're serious? :eekers:Quote:
Originally Posted by ShuBen
I guess it has to do with the way they filter the fuel.
Inside the tank on top of the tap is a kind of porous ceramics pin where the fuel has to run through.
I guess it's a problem that can be resolved at a local shop, but still - it's annoying.
some bike porn from the way up to WeiChang (400km northeast of BJ)
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TB-Racing, the German Rudi and myself had a overnight trip to WeiChang.
Nice road to get there through country side. Another way around planned back, but we end up with full 400km distance rain from 1st to last second.
The X5 did well. Only the chain seems to be made from cheap weak materials and gets longer and longer. In 2300km i readjusted the length 3 times already and after this tour its necessary again.
Any statements from the community? (Maybe I buy another one from Germany.)
very comon to stretch chains on a single that has some grunt to it my preivous bike I was adjusting it most weeks as it would stretch from how quickly the torque came into action on it, would advise Renthal chain they are good quality but do come at a price.
Kennon
The more I read this post, the more I want an x5! It's looking like a great option for China.
Also did you get the issue with the tank worked out? Or was it just a matter of discovery with those taps. To be clear, you have them both connected and they are currently not presenting a problem?
The more I read this post, the more I want an x5! It's looking like a great option for China.
Also did you get the issue with the tank worked out? Or was it just a matter of discovery with those taps. To be clear, you have them both connected and they are currently not presenting a problem?:confused1: