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Sorry Mr Essex boy I have not got back to you with regards to your comment but for the last 50 hours been driving to Thailand for my winter riding tours for the next 5 months .
With regards to your view that you get under my skin !! Please Essex boy don't over estimate yourself !
All other comments I will treat them with the contempt they deserve .!
AHHH THAILAND :icon10:
after some lady boy action, i see where you are going, good luck to ya weirdo ...
Very good marketing for CFMoto, I fell to be a victim of it. A great endurance trip it was. Scenary in Norway is stunning, to say the least, so it would though suck to rush 7000km in 7 days in Norway.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYTEAM
IOM TT Mountain section onboard 2013 WK650 by everyday people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIbAebTFr8w
a honest review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLBBYe9pKPw
and yet another :riding:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpCdW32WfPQ
another honest review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVyuAneiUyQ
but i suppose everyone is lying ? yeah right... :lol8:
With all the CF moto hype that has been writttan over the last few years from Alan Cathcart and such,,it has not corresponded to sales,,I work on the streets of London and never see any 650s,,maybe a ratty WK 125 sports bike...In my opinion,,in the UK they are still overvalued..Buying second hand jap is better value..Anybody have any info regarding the WK adventure 400?
i have`nt seen a kawasaki h2 ninja on the road so that makes them crap ? lol
and how can they me over valued when they are half the price of a equivalent jap bike ?
A 650NK/650i is just a mediocre copy of a 2006 Kawasaki ER6N.
If you can find a 2nd hand low mileage one from 2006-2010 even the dumbest of the dumbest should realize it's a better bike than an NK for the same money.
Paid for positive reviews are a sad fact of life these days. Also how can you get any idea of the long term reliability of a bike from 400 miles ride or two?
You'd only buy a new NK if you were paranoid about 2nd hand bikes having been abused or you totally overvalue the idea of a warranty, that can actually be a PITA in the UK.
If I had a choice between a new CF NK and a used ER6N, I would rather have the Kawasaki.
This is today and real actual options, WK is clearing out the inventory of the 650’s they may continue with new models I doubt they will come with a 1k discount , they will be ABS models and with likely higher price tags. They may have other improvements as well.
The new NK, which is actually likely 2 years old, is 50% off the price of a ER6N however that’s a sale on old inventory, the new if they continue to sell them NK will likely be 4500 and only 25% off the ER6N, unless Kawasaki raises it prices, which are by the way MSRP not what you can actually get them for through shopping and negotiating.
For example just a quick search on Gumtree found a brand new 2015 ER6N for 5k and that is 1k off
I never said the 650 was crap,,but to the general biking public ,,they think its garbage and over valued,,thats a fact!! I bought a chinsese dirt bike (Bashan 250) for #1299,it lasted 7000 miles and then was taken by scroates,now I think that was pretty good vaalue,a year ago I seem to remember the TL650 was selling for about 5000 new ,at that time I bought a 30 000 mile BMW rt for 5000 in good nick..Would you honestly have chosen the TL over the BM,,of course not!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYTEAM
The general biking public is for the most part oblivious to CFMOTO. The company has a fragmented distribution network globally and their inventory is not flying out of these smaller dealer networks.
They are not meeting the order winning criteria, they make a version of another manufactures model. It is less in cost, but not better for less, it’s less for less. Not a horror story, most of the owners have had no or some minor issues, leaking instrument cluster, as in not water tight, warped brake rotors, the worst have had unsolvable stalling problems. All motorcycles have some issues, it is referred to a percentage of defects. The better made major brand have less, which is why the term risk is used, the risk on the CFMOTO is higher as it has more issues, not all only some of the bikes sold had problems, a matter of luck. Then for the minor issues the second class dealers should be able to resolve those, but get a bike that has problems with an ECU or sensors and that is another story.
Buy the way I am fairly certain the bestselling version of the Kawasaki 650 twin in the EU is the VERSYS. CFMOTO was supposed to be developing a version of it, however they may have decided that was not a good model for them since they may now realize that price is not all people consider when purchasing, their low sales numbers actually prove that.
Another thing is that CFMOTO believed that them making a 650cc version of a Concours would do well in markets, they were not correct in that assumption as most in the markets did not even make a connection.
These are also being discounted to 3.5k, a low cost option for a sport tourer at that price, I believe they made some modification to it for 2016 and it is likely to stay in production, which flies in the face of what most manufactures do when a model does not do well, they typically drop it from production and go back to market researching and developing. Which is also interesting, since many of the Chinese’s manufactures have pretty tight margins, they sell cheap and their factories are not highly profitable, their philosophy is that they will eventually displace the competition and then reap the rewards, but that is a fallacy as price is not the only criteria when buying a motorcycle. It is passion driven and in that performance is measured and they often want the most and do not settle for lesser for less, not in the category they are selling into.
you can say what you want but people genuinely like them , and i have yet to find a bad review, except negative comments on here by people who have never owned the 650... :chinese:
In my opinion a bike should have no issues in the first 20 000 km / 2 years, else it is a lemon. 6 months / 10 000 km is NOTHING.
here is a product review out of Australia,Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYTEAM
The guys you are arguing with own CFMOTO's they have created lots of content on this site for the NK650 its not all negative. Most of it is relatively objective, It is a uniquely styled version of a Kawasaki...you are allowed to like them, you can even love them. I would not take it to calling anyone names, I get annoyed at the personal name calling, it comes off as sophomoric.
It got a 3.8 out of 5, the ER6N got a 4.7 out of 5Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
these may have EFI, this image has an exhaust sensor?Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
never mind that image is of the NC250 engine.
lol mind fuck is the new marketing, thank you Han Brothers.
So far I think the score is about 8 to 1 agains the CF all these people can't be so wrong !!
As for bike reviews after 10.000km means jack shit find me a positive review for the bike for 40k + then I we read the review .
Steve from Thailand looking for a ladyboy or 2 as all people that comes to Thailand does!!!!!
at least you admit it Steve, a lot of people would deny such things :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by prince666
Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYTEAM
Hi Essex boy
I have a CF650 TR with over 25.000km on it and have had big isuese from new !
I have a CF 250 Jetlux with nearly 20.000km on it and have had big issues from new !
I have a Yamaha YBR made in China with over 40.000km have replace the engine 2 times now !
I have a Honda CRF 250l made in Thailand and is laid up in Thailand with 20.000km on the clock from new January 2015 no issues
So please when you say bullshit comments read up on people and what bikes they have before you open your mouth .
ok ladyboy lover keep your dress on :lol8:
No far from it but you are on the understanding that all people that come to Thailand must come to find a lady boy is that not what you said ? So when I ride my bike all over Thailand I will keep I eye open fro you !' I am Sure I can direct them to you if you like.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYTEAM
For me I just ride on some of the best senic roads in the world.
when people like you Essex boy freeze your nuts off and can't ride your lovely CF650 back in the UK
Will post some picture in a few days for you but it will be a competition With the pictures " Spot the ladyboy "!£ 10.000.00 to the winner to spot the lady boy ok
Nuff said
Ride safe when the bike is working !
I am sure most people are feed up with you comments toQuote:
Originally Posted by SKYTEAM
Me about ladyboys and you need to keep back on topic which is
Is a CF 650 Nk a good bike or a piece of shit !!
found this on cf moto 650 topic by biker doc, i think he is spot on, the bikes sold in china are not the same spec as export machines.
biker doc wrote,
There are differences between the Benelli and CFMoto export model versus domestic market machines. The export models from both companies are not exactly the same as the inferior shiet sold here - despite 'us' paying about the same for the privilege when all said and done. A Benelli 600GS or GT as well as the CFMoto 650NK or TR/TK has a similar MSRP inside PRC as they do in most overseas markets - despite the export models being supplied with upgraded/better components e.g. higher spec suspension, brake components etc. Effectively the two local companies could be accused of some WTO violations IMHO.