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I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinaV
This is bike maded by Pioneer, in Serbia branded Sprint Pulser. It seems that its design differs from the original Qingqi's a little.
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5...intpulser1.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2884/sprintpulser.jpg
Looks like a good deal for a Chinese bike, but I have a coupla questions.
The seat reminds me of a motocross bike seat for one rider. Can a seat be bought in China for that to fit two riders comfortably?
Can panniers be bought in China to fit that bike?
With me and my wife and panniers on that bike, I recon a realistic load of near 400 pounds. Can that bike be resprung in China for a 400 pound load?
Finally, what about that Asiawing 450? I haven't seen any ride reports on that. Is it out yet?
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Zorge,
It looks like the Sprint Pulser had different plastic... looks more rounded and space-age. :icon10:
FlyingTiger,
Saddles on these thing usually can be customized on your own. Chances of the company producing a longer saddle are slim to none since there's only so much space in the design.
Regarding panniers, you're luck to get a rack on a bike like that. Soft bags may do though.
Smell around the site for Asiawing 450 news.
CC
Found this today--wonder if they actually have it....:confused1:Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyCarl
http://www.bandit-motorsports.com/db...irt-bike.html#
Been a while since I posted an update on the QM250, the Galaxy XTR has been taking up a lot of my time and I had a slight failure which resulted in some down time. I held off on posting about it because I wanted to see how QingQi would handle the incident.
Rolling along one sunny afternoon I started to hear a bit of tapping from the engine. I headed back home to the garage, let the bike cool down, and did a quick check of the valves to see what might be up. Intake was fine, but the exhaust was way out. I put it back in spec and within a few minutes it was tapping again :confused1: . I decided to pull the cam cover off and inspect the top end.
http://www.contactdi.com/2009/qm/QM0067.jpg
It didn't look good. For some reason, the top end was starved for oil and most of the parts were pretty cooked.:eekers:
http://www.contactdi.com/2009/qm/QM0068.jpg
I fired off an email to QingQi with all the details. They were as surprised as I was and asked me to dig deeper into the oil pump to look for clues. So off with the side cover to get a better look, the oil pump system is hidden behind the clutch.
http://www.contactdi.com/2009/qm/QM0069.jpg
The first thing I did was look back through my old photos of the QM200 as I remembered the oil pump was driven with a metal gear directly off the crank.
http://www.contactdi.com/2009/qm/QM0073.jpg
The new system of the QM250 uses the same Mikuni oil pump as the QM200, but it's driven from the back of the clutch. The gear is made of a very lightweight "plastic" material. It looks like a PA66 resin, but it could also be Stanyl. Manufacturers use this type of gear to reduce weight, cost and noise. Under most circumstances I think the gears would be fine, but I remember the 87-99 Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 had some issues with the same type of gear. Mine looked OK, but I then noticed some small plastic shavings in the oil.
http://www.contactdi.com/2009/qm/QM0070.jpg
On the back of the clutch, the gear in the middle was not making good contact with the plastic gear.
http://www.contactdi.com/2009/qm/QM0071.jpg
Over time, the plastic was slowly shaved off and eventually the gear was barely making contact. I tried to rotate it with my finger, sometimes they would catch and sometimes it would slip. Here you can see the damage inflicted on the plastic.
http://www.contactdi.com/2009/qm/QM0072.jpg
Again I fired off an email to QingQi with my opinion of the problem. They felt it best to send the engine back to Jinan for further evaluation and I agreed. A few days later I received a call confirming my findings. They asked if I wanted to rebuild the motor or wait for a new one. New sounded good, but it would be a few weeks to make that happen so I put the project on the back burner. Although I was disappointed with the failure, there is no way I would say it's indicative of a major problem with the QM250. The bike is not yet in serial production and mine is one of the very first QM250's QingQi built for testing and showcasing. I personally saw test bikes sporting this motor in Jinan with well over twenty thousand kilometers, so in my case it could have just been bad luck. Time will tell, as I obviously will be checking the wear on this gear in the new engine.
A few weeks passed and eventually a big box arrived at my office. I opened it up and pulled out the new motor. The folks at QingQi made sure everything from the carb clamp to the sprocket was already in place and ready for a quick install. Here it is before getting started.
http://www.contactdi.com/2009/qm/QM0076.jpg
Everything set up, this should be easy, right?
http://www.contactdi.com/2009/qm/QM0077.jpg
The difficult part is getting the frame and swing arm pivot to line up here.
http://www.contactdi.com/2009/qm/QM0078.jpg
An extra set of hands would make it pretty easy, but I managed to finally get it in using the lift and my car jack to raise the rear swing arm. A little swearing helped as well. :icon10:
http://www.contactdi.com/2009/qm/QM0079.jpg
Once you get the first bolt in, the rest is pretty easy. I marked the frame mounting areas with letters and the various screws with numbers. A&D are the main load points for the engine followed by B&C. Letter E is just there to protect the bottom of the engine and provides mounting for the skid plate.
http://www.contactdi.com/2009/qm/QM0080.jpg
And here is a view from the other side
http://www.contactdi.com/2009/qm/QM0081.jpg
Once the engine was in, everything else was pretty easy and it only took about an hour to get the rest of the parts back on. The bike really is a joy to work on because it's so simple and doesn't require any special tools. All things said, I'm glad I went through this as it's always nice to learn a little more about your bike, could come in handy out there in the wild :mwink:.
Sometimes, bad things happen to good motorcycles. In this case, I really think the people at QingQi deserve a bit of praise for the way they handled the situation. They asked how I wanted the issue resolved and allowed me to decide on how to proceed. I chose to do my own labor and some extra goodies were shipped with the engine to compensate for my time and effort. Although it did take some time, they delivered on everything that was promised and I'm happily motoring down the road again. Thanks QingQi (specifically mister j) :thumbsup:
Oh... and about those goodies... looking pretty good as a dual sport :mwink: (new shock and 21" / 18" wheels)
http://www.contactdi.com/2009/qm/QM0090.jpg
Cheers!
ChinaV
Excellent write up and pictures as usual V! I'm glad that you had such a good response from Qingqi on your problem. Just a question. Did you have to take any precautions when you took the top of the head off? I think it was posted in another thread that there might be things underneath that might fall out. The reason I ask is I have the Qlink XF200 and would rather take the top off to check the valves if possible because of the tight clearances between the frame and the head.
That's a good question david, it's a bit of a pain doing it though the inspection caps, unfortunately you have to leave the top on. When you pull the cover, the rockers come with it and the gap can't be checked.Quote:
Originally Posted by david3921
http://www.contactdi.com/2009/qm/QM0091.jpg
Cheers!
ChinaV
Thanks for the quick response. I checked them last summer through the caps with some feeler gauges that I bent at the tip. It worked but was clumbersome. I suppose I could pull the motor if I was overtly concerned. It is running well so I guess I did it right. Thanks again.
I don't know if anyone else saw this on the QingQi website, but it looks like the've made some more improvements to the QM250.
Liger QM250-GY-B(A)
Nice looking color changes in the forks and plastics.
http://www.qingqi.com.cn/uploadfile/...7;图.jpg
Improved rear brake.
http://www.qingqi.com.cn/uploadfile/...0GY-B(A)-3.jpg
Electronic Fuel Injection (EFI)
http://www.qingqi.com.cn/uploadfile/...0GY-B(A)-4.jpg
Sweet :thumbsup:
Looks like I might be begging for more parts :naughty:
Cheers!
ChinaV
First class commentary and photos as usual CV! Did they say if they replaced the plastic gear with a new material?
The new version looks nice. It would look even nicer if thy put the exhaust pipe contact shield on in the right direction.:icon10: EFI will be a major plus for them if they can get it sorted quickly.
A really strong and reliable 250 (even if it is a little "low" tech) would be a huge plus to the industry. We got these 250s and now 400's out there but I have a sneaky suspicion the long term testing and durability may prove to be a problem despite their good looks. :deal:
CC
Looks like you had some fun there ChinaV. When are they going to start selling this model in China? When are you going to get the brake and F.I. Upgrades?
...and if the rear brake hose was given some slack so that the clamp would actually hold it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyCarl
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Hi All.
I am riding on QingQi 250 in Tokyo Japan.
It bought it for $1,700.
Because the road in Japan did not match to the tire, it changed it.
QingQi 250 is a very good motorbike.
However, the motorcycle of China is acknowledged as a dangerous vehicle in Japan.
It is sad.
That's a NICE looking bike and maybe an overall better value than it's Suzuki counterpart. I think you are the first known report of the 250 QingQi being sold in Japan. What is the Chinese motorcycle market like in Japan?
Where did you get your bike? Also, I noticed your bike has a polished exhaust header. Did it come like that from new or was it added on later?
Cheers and welcome to MCM!
CC
Hi Panda5,
I really like the look of your motorcycle, very nice :thumbsup:
I have the same questions as CrazyCarl. How did you get a QingQi in Japan. I have been trying to get an exhaust header like yours for many months but can not find. Your bike also has silver forks and handguards, are all the QM250 in Japan like that?
Thanks for sharing with us.
Cheers!
ChinaV
Thank you for welcoming CrazyCarl & ChinaV.
I obtained it by the auction to which importer “BS-NOAH http://www.bs-noah.com/ " exhibited this QM250.
It seems to have imported about ten motorcycles of a Southeast Asian specification from Qingqi so that the importer say.
All QM250 that entered Japan is equipped with Polished exhaust header, Silver forks, and a big disk brake.
Hand guards was added on later with the product of China.
The market of the motorcycle made in China has not been established to Japan yet.
The motorcycle that the importer imported is sold by the WEB auction.
Therefore, there is little support. There are not parts either.
I cannot obtain it though I want the Outer skin of the orange.
In Japan, people who get on QM200 have exchanged information by the blog.
It introduces a boast that breaks still and effective parts.
It introduces the blog of the QM owner in Japan.
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/fzxkiiro/MYBLOG/yblog.html
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/j19711102/MYBLOG/yblog.html
http://rider65157.at.webry.info/
Panda, thank you very much for sharing your experience! It is very good to know the bike is also in Japan. Like everyone, it is too bad you also have trouble finding parts. Have you tried Suzuki parts in them yet?
I wish I could read Japanese because it looks like there is some very good info on the blog...including a good trip report.
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If you have the time, we'd love hear more about riding in Japan. I'm sure it is a beautiful place to explore by small motorcycle.
CC
How can I get one ?
Dang,
That's a simple question but the answer is complicated. Please provide us with more background info otherwise nobody will be able to answer you.
CC
I have a dealers licence in southern California. I contacted Q link the only importer for US I know of and they still have 150 of the 200's left and they do not plan to order any 250's until their sold. So do you know of any other source. Or how can I order direct. This might be a question for china V
Dang, thanks for the info. If there are any of these 250's on North American shores it's a pretty well kept secret since I don't believe the unit has been tested for EPA and CARB requirements. Even if it passes EPA, CARB requirements probably wouldn't get the green light until they finalize their fuel injected version.
ChinaV will probably be along soon with some input.
CC
Thanks, I did see the EFI sticker on a swingarm somewhere.
The 200's are being sold all over N a
Yes the 200's are available nationwide but they are not the same engine and will need to be retested. The frames are even slightly different.
QingQi did not simply stick a bigger head on their 200 case and call it a 250. Nor is this a 230 they're calling a 250. This 250 is very similar to a Suzuki GZ205 or the TU250.
You can check the EPA web site for cleared machines but I"m not sure if the database is constantly updated. Not saying it's not possible but there's a lack of information out there right now.
I can try to find out about the status of the EPA cert.
CC
Yes and thanks, I did know it's not the same engine. Can ChinaV order one for me ? Did he just go to china and ride one and then have it dilevered ? Can I call Him ?
ChinaV lives and rides in China. You'll have to work out some contact details with him.
CC
Thank You, CC !
ChinaV himself kindly let me have a go of his qingqi 250 on the twisty roads by his house (severe location jealousy), here is what i think:
Oh yeah! What a brilliant little machine! I found it more exciting to ride on twisty mountain roads than his BMW with almost triple the power.
Compared to my XTR (both with 17" motard wheels) it handles better in the corners, it feels more planted and holds it's course easier. It feels more purpose built, and encourages you to lean harder; i even scraped some pegs which i had not done on the galaxy.
The engine has a bit more power and that counter balanced shaft makes a big difference. The qingqi is also lower and more comfortable.
I only tried it on road and so i've no idea how it compares to galaxy as a motocross bike.
As i hardly ever do any serious off roading, if i was buying a bike again i would probably go for the Qingqi rather than the XTR, provided they ever decide to release it...
I sold my original QM250 and expected to move into something different, but alas, QingQi wasn't quite ready to offer the "Rock" based QM250GY-2D, so I decided to have another go with the QM250GY-B(ASD) "Liger".
So as not to confuse anyone...
This is "The Rock" QM250GY-2D, an adventure touring based version of the QM250 slated for mass production sometime in 2011.
http://www.contactdi.com/Processed/DPP0028.jpg
And this is the newest rendition of "The Liger" QM250GY-B(ASD), which is currently being mass produced and sold in several countries.
http://www.contactdi.com/Processed/DPP0031.jpg
About a week ago I took delivery of my new Liger, so it's time to update this thread with what's been improved over the last year and a half by QingQi. I'm also going to do an extensive amount of "farkling" in an attempt at creating an adventure touring bike for the 2011 riding season.
http://www.contactdi.com/Processed/1080980.jpg
The very first thing I noticed with the new Liger is the console. The gauges are now electronic and they added an LCD to right side. A nice improvement over the old setup, as you now get a clock and a trip meter (helpful for fuel consumption). The center has a numeric gear indicator, a green light to indicate your turn signals are on, and a blue light for the high beams. If you have the older style console on your QM200 or QM250, I'm not sure it will be so easy to swap over. Both the tach and speedo require additional electronics that aren't currently on your bike. I also haven't tried playing with the computer to see if you can change for different size wheels. Get to that eventually.
http://www.contactdi.com/Processed/1090065.jpg
The next thing you notice is the new oil cooler. This could probably be added to any of the QM250 models, but it would require a new side cover, as the hole for the oil hose above the oil filter is not there on the old model. You can also see that the exhaust header is now closer to the frame and should allow for a larger front wheel.
http://www.contactdi.com/Processed/1080995.jpg
A new MV30P carburetor has greatly improved the response of the engine and eliminated a lot of the popping on deceleration. I don't know if this is made in Japan or just designed there and then manufactured in China.
http://www.contactdi.com/Processed/1080990.jpg
http://www.contactdi.com/Processed/1090007.jpg
I'm sure there will be fuel injected models available soon, but I like the simplicity of the carburetor.
The last major change is with the brakes. The QM250 is one of the first motorcycles I have seen in China with a floating brake disc. The stopping power with my previous QM250 was great, but there was fade as things got hot. Hopefully these new discs will improve on the dissipation of heat.
http://www.contactdi.com/Processed/1080959.jpg
Not a lot of changes, but a couple of nice improvements. All the important bolts on the bikes were marked as being torqued and many places were lubricated and treated for corrosion resistance. By far, this was the nicest assembly job I have seen from any factory in China. It looks like QingQi is really improving their assembly line processes.
Got a bunch of parts to put on, so stay tuned for the beginning of the farkle process.
Cheers!
ChinaV
Please proceed masterV, i have a feeling this bike is going to be something pretty special. I'm pretty happy to hear it's even an improvement on the last one. As i wrote last year in post #87, i had great fun on this thing!
I reckon this new one will make a suitable upgrade from my XTR, I am beginning talks with Qingqi!
Felix,
While you are talking to Qingqi ask about this one.
"This is "The Rock" QM250GY-2D, an adventure touring based version of the QM250 slated for mass production sometime in 2011."
Thanks,