Sounds like your bike is cold and needs choke. If you are using the choke it may be that the choke isn't connected to the carburetor correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Braillace
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Sounds like your bike is cold and needs choke. If you are using the choke it may be that the choke isn't connected to the carburetor correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Braillace
I use the choke to start it when cold, for a couple minutes only.
Then remove it and she dies when I pass the 1st gear.
Just found out that passing the 1st and 2nd and then 1st again etc.. a few times before to start the engine makes the thing not kill the engine when I pass the 1st with the engine running.
Still happens then but light enough to just push the bike forward a couple centimeters, that's it.
When worm never a problem.
Weird.
Don't worry, my Kinlon 200cc has done the same thing for two years, as soon as I get a few metres along the drive, it is fine. I think it is a carburetor adjustment needed but have never been bothered enough to sort it out,
I second ZMC about the choke. Also you might want to get the clutch cable looked at to make sure it is engaged completely when you have the lever pulled. In my experience on 3 bikes with these engines, the clutch cable loosened and made it very difficult to change gears after the first month ("Where the hell is 5th gear?"). Also, on two bikes with these engines the head gasket was not put on properly so on the first real ride they started leaking oil like crazy.
Ok.
Doesn't seem too big of a pb, I'll see my mechanic soon, I'll mention this pointing the choke and the carb, to see if it rings a bell in his mind & if he can sort it out.
I don't want a big oil leak.
Thanks for advises & opinions.
Does anybody know if they're bringing out a 2011 model of the DD250G?
I've just been drooling over this bike (on Pubei Lu) and don't think i'm gonna be able to hold off from buying it?
I checked the Regal-Raptor website and saw a NAC25 listed. It looks similar to the DD250G. http://www.regal-raptor.com/eng/prod...&bid=2&types=2
Is this available in China? How does it compare to the DD250G-2?
Would it be worth raiding the bank for the YBR250? My wife prefers the RR and loves the fact that it's cheaper, so i'm gonna have a hard time selling the Yamaha.
Shineray have also brought out a similar model, the XY250-5. I wonder how this compares to the Raptor?
Thanks for the great reviews of this bike.
NAC25
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DD250G
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Shineray XY250-5
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Big difference between the two raptors is the 250G is air-cooled while the NAC25 has a radiator. Specs show little difference apart from that. If the Pubei shop doesn't have the NAC25 or even know about it, that probably says something. Maybe call Lifeng?
Have you contacted Brice (braillce), who bought the air-cooled 250 just a few months ago? Review his posts and you'll learn his views on that bike.
good luck!
Wasn't ZMC888's conclusion on the matter that the YBR is actually worth the extra cash?Quote:
Originally Posted by dewsnap
Yeah but his was the older model. I'm hoping the new version has ironed out a few of the issues he mentioned. And the YBR250 is 25K as opposed to the 14k Raptor. The difference is a lot of money and I'm perfectly happy to maintain and upgrade the bike with the aide of my local mechanic who is an absolute hero.
In response to my own questions i feel i have a few of the answers after visiting the Pubei store again today. I asked about the NAC25 and the guys in the store said that's just the name of the bike in Europe. The new verson in China is the DD250G-2N, and it's exactly the same bike.
There was the DD250G-2 and the new DD250G-2N side by side in the store today so my untrained eye was trying to compare the differences. Euphonius is right, the new version has a liquid cooled radiator on the front, and after seeing those images of the fuel injection system on this thread, i noticed the new model is fuel injected whereas the old model isn't. I also jumped from one bike to the other and there was noticable difference in weight, although i'm sure you'd need to throw it into a few bends before you can offer a reliable opinion.
Brallice mentioned he bought the DD250G-2 a few months ago for 13K. The guys in the store quoted me 14,800rmb, at first i thought i was getting the laowai special but it seems the newer model is a bit more pricey. 1800rmb for the new systems seems reasonable enough tho and possibly they'll come down a bit. There were a few minor cosmetic changes but nothing noticable. The dials are still cheap, mirrors very ugly, and the foot pegs were huge, as somebody already pointed out. None of that should be an issue in China as cosmetic things like that are dirt cheap, and i'm sure i'll not be getting the knee down anytime soon.
I'm certainly gonna take my time but i definitely want this bike. It sounds amazing, looks great, and it's fantatsic value.
On a side note, the Shineray XY250-5 isn't available from Pubei Lu or anywhere else in Shanghai or so they tell me. It seems rather strange as the store has posters and flyers of the bike everywhere. Oh well. Here's a few pics i took from my phone highlighting the changes.
NAC25/ DD250G-2N
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DD250-G
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Very nice, but it will certainly need a bash plate, radiator and exhaust pipe guards with all that stuff sticking out. Not a counterbalanced engine either. Nice having a 18.5 litre tank though.
I would go for the 350cc if I was going that far toward a road bike. Comes with back rest, crash guards, windscreen and a flashing red light on a pole too!
I think regarding the plates situation in Shanghai bikes under 250cc can register cheaper.
Hope that's true, but don't think so. So far as I know only two classes: 50cc and smaller or above 50cc. Where you'll save some bucks is if you can get by with a 沪C plate instead of the 沪A. I had hoped to get some definitive gossip from local riders today, but it was too bloody cold outside to linger for chat with bikers.Quote:
Originally Posted by dewsnap
maybe tomorrow. I'm taking my Jialing out for the first time in ages. to hell with the cold.
cheers
Dewsnap, maybe the DD250G-2N is a little better, there seem to be improvements around the exhaust area although there are probably restrictive things packed into those headers and the single piece is better than the muffler box underneath, so I'd think about that model. My friend has a 2008 and I have a 2009 DD250G-2, the differences in component quality and assembly competence are zero, the only differences are in component choices. The problems with the bike have only ever been due to sloppy factory assembly and cheap components, the basic design is sound, other than the exhaust system. You'll probably have all sorts of teething issues with either bike, which will cause lots of headaches, you'll likely have problems mostly with bolt tightness and some other random niggles. You'd probably be best stripping down and reassembling the entire whichever bike you choose from new, making sure all the welds are sound and all bolts are thread-locked at the correct torque. You could pay your Chinese mechanic to do it for you, but unless you watched them do it, they would be certain to cut corners such much that it would be a pointless exercise, unless you did all the work yourself or micro-managed all the work being done.
I know a good mechanic or two, speak pretty good Chinese and it took me about 2 months to get a solid decent flowing functional exhaust system on the thing, worth it now and after some other issues I now have a reasonable bike which is like a low-grade CB250 Nighthawk. Don't ask me what I did, it would be like writing half a Haynes manual.
OK, The Yamaha YBR250 is a tad pricey in comparison, but it is gonna be a heck of a lot more reliable. A few months ago China V and I were discussing the new Honda CBR250R, and fact is the price for the Yamaha YBR250 is about right, when you consider the price for any Japanese branded EFI 250cc bike made in any other developing country. The fact is the 250cc manufacturer's Chinese bikes are cheap because they use cheap parts have poor to abysmal quality control and do almost no research and development.
I looked at both the YBR and the Regal Raptors. I also have a Yamaha Cygnus Z scooter I bought last summer. Between the Regal Raptor and the YBR, I chose the Regal Raptor Cruiser only because I am shorter and like cruisers. To me, the YBR was much bigger than the Raptor street bike, but I really liked it since I love my Yamaha scooter. It has never had a problem though I only have 1500km on it. And it is FAST. I can only imagine how fast the YBR250 would be. My Raptor crusier, I love it too. But mostly because of style rather than substance. I don't know bikes that well - just the throttle and brakes, so I can't be that detailed in my descriptions. I can say that my Raptor cruiser has about 500k on it and sometimes "abnormal" things happen with the electronics. Little things like being in neutral and the lights pop on and off or headlight flicker, or headlights stay on even with the keys out of the ignition. Since I am ignorant about the innards of bikes, I just think the damn thing is haunted. :)
I think the difference you would be paying for between the YBR and Raptor is essentially insurance. The YRB is proven to be reliable and the Raptor isn't (as from what I've read on this forum). I am concerned about taking my Raptor on long trips since I don't know how to fix bikes. My only assurance is that my bike is based on the old honda 250 rebel so parts should be relatively easy to find.
The other way of looking at it, if you plan to stay in china for a while and get yellow "Hu A" plates, and plan to keep the bike for a while considering the write-off of the bike for China is 10 years and he cost of labor is getting higher too. If you were to pick up the YBR, the difference between the cost of the yellow plate and the increasing prices could offset the difference between the YBR and the Raptor. However, if you were to get the Raptor, the cost of maintenance could exceed the difference between the bikes over a long lifetime of the bike.
If you don't plan to keep the bike for a while, the resale value of the YBR may be better too. The downside is the YBR is a nice bike. I would be very concerned about bike theft. Keep it locked down! =)
I was hoping to bug the Raptor owners for more info regarding this bike. I'm still very interested for a number of reasons (value, sound, appearance) I'm hoping to buy in the next month or so and i wanted to know if there are any more precautions i can take to protect this bike and hopefully improve it's longevity if i decide to buy.
You've already shared a lot of info so i hope i'm not starting to grate...
So from the outset, i should get a mechanic to take out the engine and put it all back together tightening the bolts using loctite along the way? Is there anything else i could do? Shoud i try to hunt down any Honda Rebel parts, things like engine seals, bolts etc? Are they even available? Would it be worth finding some better quality brake pads even from new? And have you found any taobao shops or anything similar specifically for Raptor parts?
Anything would be great. Thanks.
Well, for me, 6 months, 1500 km, and 2 oil changes later the bike is working ok. Quite a few false neutrals but that could be my problem. No major problems now but going to take it to the dealer this saturday to check it out. My is not the DD250G2 (street bike). Mine is the dd2509e-b (cruiser). Thus, all the Rebel parts should fit very nicely on it. I've bought a few Rebel parts (pegs, battery covers) and they've fit without a problem. For the street bike version of the Regal Raptor, I'm doubt it. I have to say though that I think the bike is a little low on power now. I can out accelerate most cars from the stop, but as soon as I plop on a passenger, the bike tends to drag. If you do a search for the chinese name of regal raptor (Dah Di Wang) you will find a ton of part though some look like it's salvaged from older bikes.
Here's the name search:
http://s.taobao.com/search?q=%B4%F3%...ilterFineness=
Here are some great compatible parts with the 250 cruiser:
oooohhhh.... http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=8979293941
Aaahhhhh.....http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=8979758097
:)
Have you actually tried swapping out your tank yet? I have had some major problems with putting a Regal Raptor tank on my Honda Rebel. Lots of vibration which in turn caused a lot of noise. I've been working on it with liberal applications of dampening foam, some new longer bolts, washers and grommets, but so far with limited success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrangler
I'd love to see some pics/links of your new footpegs. The passenger ones on my bike were replaced with some generic ones ages ago.
That Taobao link is just what i was looking for. Thanks Wrangler.
Another positive for the Raptor.
Post some pics of your bike if you get chance brother. Respect.
Dewsnap, here are some pics of my bike in a post from Felix. If you want, I can meet you at the Pubei lu Raptor dealer Saturday. I am going anyways. Just PM me.
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...ghlight=suzhou
Nuhaus, thanks for the heads-up. I haven't tried using the Rebel tank yet. I was going to buy a cheap one and paint it matte black and fit it on my raptor, but now have to reconsider. They have some old Raptor tanks but those run 300+ vs 150+ for some of the Rebel tanks.
Below are some links to the footpegs. The ones I got were actually salvaged. Beware of that. The springs were crappy and there's a fat washer that the footpeg pivots around. Mine were worn. I just replace those parts with the good ones from my floorboards. Some of the links have similar pictures because everyone steals each other's pics and also confirm whether they are just sending one footpeg or both.
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=7507566495
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=7464420004
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=8209236681
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=7225900092
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=7734901048
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=7460162839
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=7567081897
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=3963277408
Thanks for the links Wrangler, much appreciated.
Specifically posted by request of Nuhaus the exhaust system on my Regal Raptor DD250G-2:
Firstly the ends (at the manifold) were cut off the headers and some new header tubes were bent, one needed to be welded.
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The baffle box or under-slung muffler was removed and straight through pipes were added with new attachments to the frame.
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Then at the end of each pipe we added (welded) baffles much like these except hand made and tuned to make the bike quiet at idle and scream if ridden hard.
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Please note, bike is dirty and exhaust system currently could do with a few spot welds and a clean with wire wool, but you get the idea I hope.
Excellent work :clap:
Awesome sauce. Thanks ZMC, much appreciated. I was wondering how you coped with the rather odd exhaust setup on that bike. I love the hand made muffler. Was that done by your mechanic or did you take part in fabricating it? I was thinking one could attach some kind of scooter muffler on the rear pipes but could not imagine how that would look. I have a mechanic here who can fabricate something similar. Wondering how this kind of mod would work on an EFI bike.
I got rear ended by a 3 wheeled gas powered bike on Thursday, and it appears that the much aged and beloved Honda (Ha!) Rebel might be out of commission. Just about the same time last year that I got knocked on my keister too. I am fine (and so is the other driver), but the bike has a weird noise and shimmy that needs to be dealt with.
Anyhow, efforts to find a new bike are renewed.