Re: Shineray 重庆鑫源摩托车股份有限公司
MASH is also offering these as their Adventure 400
| 5,490.00 EUR |
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6,183.93 USD |
Re: Shineray 重庆鑫源摩托车股份有限公司
Geon will be offering it as their Gran Tour 400, it come with a built in map in case you get lost.
Что касается цены, то в свете экономической ситуации в стране, было принято решение установить максимально приемлемую цену – 3999 $
Re: Shineray 重庆鑫源摩托车股份有限公司
From what I understand the EU emissions are stricter, so I imagine that any vehicle that passes the EU by default should be able to pass emission in the USA.
Considering that Shineray should be proactive, compare the requirement and insure that vehicles meet both out of the factory. In that any one of these regional EU distributor can franchise quickly into the USA.
Also pricing is reflective of each market, in that the lowest retail shines light on actual costs at Wholesale. My best guess for prices to distributors on the 400 models is in the lower 2k+ area? Getting these into the US market would be tough, they would have to sell at around 4k+ which would make for very slim profit margins on them. Theoretically these could be priced higher eventually at 5k however as unproven that’s not likely to happen overnight. So in that associated offering the EU brands in the USA would help to accelerate brand recognition in the USA. I would say WK would be the preferred brand of choice for the 400 in the USA. In that they should pick up the 400 standard, they can market it as their RT400. Then in that WK models ordered would go to the UK and also to a USA distributor. To be very smart WK would link to CFMOTO further, they are distributing for them in the UK and in that CFMOTO could distribute for them in the USA for these and combine deliveries? The result would be getting access to CFMoto retail in the USA and also building it with new offerings. The bikes would be branded as WK though for these Shineray models. This would allow for the footprint needed to bring in the SRM/SWM lines.
Re: Shineray 重庆鑫源摩托车股份有限公司
Pretty much any shiny ray dealer. They certainly have them in the shop in Chengdu but they are such dicks about test rides , they even got all bent out of shape because we dared to sit on the thing.I mean seriously, do they expect people to shell out 30k without even riding the thing?
Re: Shineray 重庆鑫源摩托车股份有限公司
As it turns out the money is still in my pocket and not his!
Crap customer service aside I think the concept of the X5 is good , a simple air-cooled bike of decent size at a reasonable price. But considering the Zhongshen dealer next door gave me his own bike to test I'm not buying a shiny ray any time soon.
Re: Shineray 重庆鑫源摩托车股份有限公司
Actually it is 19,800 without the cases
Re: Shineray 重庆鑫源摩托车股份有限公司
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zhu
Pretty much any shiny ray dealer. They certainly have them in the shop in Chengdu but they are such dicks about test rides , they even got all bent out of shape because we dared to sit on the thing.I mean seriously, do they expect people to shell out 30k without even riding the thing?
Yes and it is fairly common practice. I'd agree that it sucks, but it can and does happen in other markets, and with some of the better motorcycle manufacturers too.
Case in point. The Yamaha Super Tenere XT1200Z when first released in 2011, wasn't going to be imported by the Yamaha USA distributor. Enough buzz was generated by USA based ADV riders (I might add, despite the BS (bias) penned by so called motorcycle reviewers in some motorcycle magazines stating verbose that the XT1200 wasn't all that ...yada yada). With enough grass-root ground swell in the USA, Yamaha USA relented, but offered the Super Tenere on a pre-consignment paid-deposit up front basis initially - no tests rides. This was termed a pre-delivery program (PDP). Those on the PDP paid their deposit and waited. When the product arrived and was assigned to the participating dealer, the buyer was contacted by the dealer and the buyer had to pay the outstanding amount before they could take delivery of the motorcycle or take it off the shop floor. If the buyer backed out, they lost their deposit. BMW Thailand have done the same thing with the Thai manufactured F800GS. Buyers paid deposits through approved BMW Motorrad shops, without a model to test ride. Some buyers had/have waited 4-5 months before their pre-ordered model has arrived (and sometimes not even in the colour the buyer had ordered - since products manufactured were in batches of colour cycles).
It does happen in other markets, but agree it is not the norm - as it is here.
To be fair to the dealers here, likely if you have no relationship with the dealer then is it fair for them to assume all the risk - given there is no insurance, no temporary dealers plate etc, no come back if you incur a ticket or two, or worse - don't return with their bike? That doesn't mean that a dealer who knows you would gladly offer to let you take a test ride either. However my local Suzuki dealer that I have dealt with for the last 10 or so years, does, depending on what I might be interested in at any given time. However I have bought (paid deposit up front and ordered) bikes here on consignment, sight unseen except for pictures online, or in manufacurer brochure/pamphlets etc. I have also seen a foreigner pay a deposit on a motorcycle Regal Raptor cruiser 350cc, which the dealer had to order in (and pay for) only for the foreigner to change his mind, because it was too big and didn't fit the foreigners plans going forward. This left the dealer holding the bike... it took the dealer a year before that bike to sell. No, the dealer could not return the bike. The deposit the foreigner had paid wasn't a huge amount so it's not like the dealer made it on both ends.
YMMV
Re: Shineray 重庆鑫源摩托车股份有限公司
I take your point Doc , perhaps the dealer has never heard of the concept of "you bend it , you mend (buy)it." Regardless of who a bike belonged to I would pay for any damage I caused. But of course he has no way of knowing that. If he had asked for a deposit prior to a ride I would have been ok with that.
The dealers snotty attitude just pissed me off
Re: Shineray 重庆鑫源摩托车股份有限公司
IMO the reluctance of Chinese dealer allowing one to take a test ride maybe he has no more faith in the product that he is selling then you as a buyer ? would I need to test ride a BMW F800GS, I don't think so, would you need to test ride a Chinese bike? for what to find out "it's a piece of shit" I already know that , but it still would be nice to find out to what degree........
Re: Shineray 重庆鑫源摩托车股份有限公司
Locally Ducati held a test ride weekend, they allowed anyone with a MC endorsement and insurance to take any model for a 20 mile ride, they ran groups of about 15-20 test riders every hour. They mapped a nice route.
Here is an article from 2011, a young American woman took a tour at Shinerays factory in Chongqing. I was researching dormitory housing for Chinese factories and came across it. This article touches on live work factories, stating that at Shineray 70% of the factories workers reside in factory provided dormitories. It also touches on attempts at integrating the migrant workers into local communities.
The Chinese manufacturing centers are very dependent on a 24hr live work relationship in their factories. These in some cases are ran by militaristic managers, pressuring works to perform.
Re: Shineray 重庆鑫源摩托车股份有限公司
Any info about the sidecar?
Re: Shineray 重庆鑫源摩托车股份有限公司
I mean, whose sidecar is? Chinese, Polish, new, refurbished...?
Re: Shineray 重庆鑫源摩托车股份有限公司
See post #17 of my 2014 CIMA ChongQing report
Re: Shineray 重庆鑫源摩托车股份有限公司
Yes it's a new built retro thing. Quite like the look of them actually apart from cream as a colour. British racing green would suit it nicely. The solos seem pretty popular around Chengdu with lots of leather saddle bags and pudding bowl helmets. To each his own as far as that goes but its a nice simple bike uglified by a Mk2 Zephyr muffler. Easy fix I suppose.
Re: Shineray 重庆鑫源摩托车股份有限公司
29,800 RMB
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4,683.51 USD |
Re: Shineray 重庆鑫源摩托车股份有限公司
The single is
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3,111.50 USD |
It is an exact copy of a CB400SS except for the exhaust that had cone mufflers.
Honda only offered the model in Japan,
http://www.wmpdt.co.jp/honda/cb.html
Shineray executives claim they only sell what they have the rights to, they have capital so they may have bought the right to this model? As consumers we do not care, however as a re-seller you should certainly care.
It is as simple as saying I would like to resell your 400 and need assurance that you have the legal permission from Honda.
Re: Shineray 重庆鑫源摩托车股份有限公司
Copy of a Yamaha Tricker from Shineray, these sell for so little and all come with a 223cc single labeled and registered as a 150cc…its so crazy.
http://img04.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/...!279731504.jpg
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1,263.73 USD |
Re: Shineray 重庆鑫源摩托车股份有限公司
Shineray is offering a little 125cc Classic, lots of color options.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4285/...7d7b3008_z.jpg
125 by mjhirz, on Flickr
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582.417 USD |
Re: Shineray 重庆鑫源摩托车股份有限公司
Shineray is also offering an off road model called the X6, which has the Zongshen NC250 engine.
http://img.newmotor.com.cn/UploadFil...110428_102.jpg
It may also be available in an on the road version?
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2,320.79 USD |
Re: Shineray 重庆鑫源摩托车股份有限公司
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MJH
We have this bike on sale here in Nanjing. I like the concept - something small and economic to ride around the downtown on. But in person it looks cheap-cheap-cheap...
Re: Shineray 重庆鑫源摩托车股份有限公司
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But in person it looks cheap-cheap-cheap...
Эт' "Альфа" с которой че то убрано и че то добавлено. Не более того.
Зато 30-35 килорубликов.
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Zorge
Эт' "Альфа" с которой че то убрано и че то добавлено. Не более того.
Зато 30-35 килорубликов.
Wow! I thought Shineray didn't export to Europe... I think I'm somewhat behind times.
