Thanks, valuable info there.
I bought a 2nd plate in December for 91K, as an investment, and started wondering how smart a move that was recently.
I'm glad that it goes up in June, but fail to understand why.
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Thanks, valuable info there.
I bought a 2nd plate in December for 91K, as an investment, and started wondering how smart a move that was recently.
I'm glad that it goes up in June, but fail to understand why.
Easy, TIC! - logic free zone...Quote:
Originally Posted by braillce
Lol, makes sense...
For those who are worried about the current value of their precious shanghai plates,. FEAR not!
After the recent crackdown, the demand for "A" and "C" starting to swell once again.:scooter:
Source: chinese motorcycle website
Is there a link to this website you can share? Am always trying to find reliable source of info about these prices....Quote:
Originally Posted by crismoe'
Well, the post doesnt really says it all, its more like a daily monitoring for my part. I got my "C" early this year and witnessed it sky rocketed as high as 30k and go down as low as 12k. Just like other proud owner of the this piece of gold i was quite anxious about my investment. My dealer mentioned that MC plates are like stocks,since the goverment doesnt control its price so theres no way to know for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinasam
591moto.com-for shanghai MC community, just be patient and you'll see what your looking for:mwink:
Ok - will try and see - Thanks.
Man, me as a native shanghaian, i think you become a shanghaian too. Congrads. Very good analysis.Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
Recently in shanghai, the cops start cracking down all illegal motobikes, mopads, over power electronic scooters. I think gringos also dont have too much luck. Cops have their own KPI to follow. So better keep your head down and watch out carefully when u approach a junction.
Hi all,
.. I'm looking for the current prices for Hu "A" and Hu "C"... does somebody know... or is there another thread ?
Best,
Sven
Hey Sven,
I just spoke with a few shops earlier in July and they said the prices currently were
A plates (Inside Shanghai and you can carry a passenger) Approx 160K RMB
C Places (Inside Shanghai but NO Passenger) Approx 25K RMB
You can always check with the BMW or KTM shops near the HQ Terminal 2 as they are regularly checking with brokers to find available plates for the bikes they sell. I think they currently have 2-3 bikes in their shop that are actually waiting for A plates to come on the market so they can deliver the bikes.
I think that the info regarding Hu C plate is inaccurate... rather than not allowing carriage of a pillion (all motorcycles that have a manufacturers spec/certificate that allows for carriage of 2 seated persons, will be plated as such) is probably meant to have been that the C plated bike cannot ride in the SH inner areas (either outer ring road or inner ring road) and nothing to do with how many persons could be carried. Likely as a result of something lost in translation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinasam
As an aside all ebikes and eScooters are certified as for rider only, no pillion carriage allowed. Look around...
From my 15 yrs experience buying and riding motorcycles in Shanghai, that was just my humble attempt at a simple explanation.
If you think it's inaccurate, then ante up and give a full professional translation of the difference.
For engine displacement larger than a certain capacity you need yellow Hu A or Hu C in order to ride inside Shanghai proper. Yellow Hu A is allowed to travel just about anywhere in Shanghai, except a few marked roads that don't allow any motorcycle traffic, including all elevated highways. Yellow Hu C has a much larger forbidden area. (That explains the cost differentials between those two plates.) There is a post in a Chinese forum that clearly demarcate those restricted areas: http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/t_17246656.htm Unfortunately it is in Chinese.
Other than the area/road restriction, there is no difference in other aspects of riding your motorcycle in Shanghai.
Cheers!
I think you are confusing the difference between the Yellow Plates and the Blue Plates. The way they explained it to me originally was that Yellow (A & C) plates were allowed INSIDE the first ring road in Shanghai, but Blue plates (A & C) were only allowed OUTSIDE. I have no idea what the B plates represent.
-- I wouldn't go and bet on what a person writes about the law in a local BBS forum, but rather if you can find an actual Govt website source for this explanation that would be more viable.
As Milton has responded...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinasam
Yellow 户A MC plated bike 牌照 can be ridden on SH roads inside the inner ring road on those roads not otherwise designated as MC's forbidden. The Shanghai 户C MC plate, is for outside that area (outside the inner ring road). If one rides inside the inner ring road with a Hu C plate, then one can be subject to a fine which is 200cny. Same as what occurs if one rides a 牌照 plated bike from an outside province inside SH inner ring road area...
One nation of many little kingdo0ms... LOL
Think of 户A, 户B, 户C as equivalent to the area/zone that the MC is plated in. The further one is registered as living the cheaper the plate becomes. Plates 牌照 are limited in number as no new plates being made by the SH government for motorcycles. Consequently yellow motorcycle plates are transferable from one individual to another, unlike what occurs in other jurisdictions on the whole (aside from BJ). The finite supply of SH 牌照 plates is partially responsible for the ascending costs of said plates. Yellow 牌照 plates can be converted to a pair of blue car plates but not vice versa. When this occurs there is one less 牌照 plate in circulation resulting in even more upward pressure on SH 牌照 prices.
Blue MC plates are for MC's with engine displacement <49cc/mL. The blue 户A, 户B, 户C plates still relate to the area/zone the bike (49cc) is registered in.
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...tric-scooters)
FYI: the original local BBS forum did indeed quote from an "actual Govt website", namely http://www.police.sh.cn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinasam
I have a a Shanghai Hu Yellow A Plate, and what you guys say above is mostly correct, except you can't ride on ANY elevated roads. I've been stopped and paid a 200RMB fine and got told to leave the elevated middle ring road. One of my friends who has a C plate of his CF650 got fined 200RMB for parking it within the Middle ring road area. The police said the C plate is not allowed within the middle ring road.
Having said that a few guys in my MC have C plates and do ride downtown but not in rush hour when there are a lot of police around.
The yellow A plate is far more expensive that a blue A car plate at the moment.
Another thing I discovered is that if you buy a second hand bike which has been registered with a Shanghai yellow A plate, you can't then put a yellow C plate on it, but you can upgrade from a C to A on a second hand bike.
Obviously none of you guys read Chinese. A common misconception about yellow Hu C is using inner ring road as the demarcation enclosing the forbidden areas. Actually, the forbidden areas are based on the "qu" 区 （borough）and NOT on the inner ring road. They include 杨浦、虹口、闸北、普陀，长宁、徐汇、卢湾、黄浦、静安以及浦东新区的小陆家嘴、花木行政中心、竹园商贸三 个区域内的道路 (but mostly intersecting with the inner ring though). The link I provided in one of the posts has the map for those forbidden qu, which covers a lot more square kilometers than the inner ring. Having said that, I found that police don't usually stop yellow Hu C outside the inner ring. But then again, they might.Quote:
Originally Posted by anguscharlton
I own two bikes, one with yellow Hu A and the other Hu C, which I do ride into Jingan qu to work frequently. So far I have been stopped once, inside the inner ring road.
^I can read some CHS characters. You are correct on all counts. One of the Motorfan links goes into detail on the actual boundary between 户A/户B and 户C as does the original SH Traffic PSB linky. While the actual forbidden areas differ to that of the inner ring road, it is easier and more useful in some respects to use the inner ring road as a defacto demarcation line/boundary than having to remember the actual roads - unless one is riding the same routes fairly regularly.
Hey,
The prices aren't moving anymore since mid 2013.
Hu A (& Hu B) = 120.000 to 140.000 RMB
Hu C (& Hu D & Hu E) = 20.000 to 30.000 RMB
but 30k for Hu C is a bit too much.
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Now wait a minute.Quote:
Originally Posted by anguscharlton
When u say "you can upgrade from a C to A" on second hand bikes, that is supposing that u got the A plate from where?
Hi @all,
another thing I didn't read but important ... it's not only 200 RMB fine if the police stops you with a Hu C in the not allowed areas (lets say inner ring fro simplicity).... BUT it's also 3 points in your record! :eekers: ... just happened a few weeks ago to a friend of mine...
Hi, could you give me more details where to find the KTM dealer? Thanks a lot!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinasam
Tino.
good selection of China bike shops http://www.rideasia.net/motorcycle-f...s-dealers.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by td101
Merry christmas everyone and a happy new year! APrider
Hi,
I am currently looking into buying a bike for getting out of the city. Being registered downtown Xuhui, I understand that the right way would be acquiring the respective 户A plate. Since I am not willing to spend 5 times as much on the plate (even if it could be an investment), as on the motorcycle, but on the other hand trying to be as legal as possible - I guess going for a 户C plate might be an option.
How do you enable yourself for a 户C plate - register with a friend or company outside the city but within Shanghai boundaries? Does it actually depend on where you are registered?
Does anybody have an update what the current market price for 户C plates is?
Thanks!
If you can't speak Chinese take a person who can into a local motorbike shop and ask the current prices for the plate you are looking for, what everyone you pick it's going to cost loads.
The down side of living in SH mate
The base line is pay up or move out ?
Moving out isn't an option! Had this for a while, won't do it again... I can check with a dealer, but in case somebody has been recently and popped the question, just post it here...
The company is actually outside in Anting, anybody ever managed to register the motorbike to a company?
you can't register the bike in company name in shanghai. because simply no more company moto license plate anymore.
you could only register bike in the personal name. HU C is possible. but why not just register in other cities if you like to save some money.
Well the question is, when you are not living at the place where the bike is registered anyhow - would at least a 户 plate (being the same province as you live in) be a potential benefit from a legal perspective. Or does it anyhow doesn't make a difference.
Furthermore what is worst impact one can expect when you run into problems with a fully legal registration, but not actually living at the place....?