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Originally Posted by euphonius
That may be because Shanghaiese believed that bigger is better, haha.
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Originally Posted by euphonius
That may be because Shanghaiese believed that bigger is better, haha.
Absolutely correct, customising is all about personal needs. I have enjoyed the original shock but I think I now need to have the rear shock spring from the sidecar version. But Jialing sells it at a high price:rolleyes1:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pfaelzer
Great work,
Franki
After months of hammering Jialing, my firend finally got them to squeeze it our of Showa, the front fork oil capacity is 534±2.5ml each side. :riding:
Hi Franki,Quote:
Originally Posted by Franki
good information. Thanks. I will add this to my post to complete data. I bought one original Showa rear shock from them for evaluation. So I got two of them now since I fitted the Wilbers in. Could get it quite easy and wasn't that expensive. If you need a replacement let me know.
Cheers, AW.
FINALLY
- the tires and wheels arrived from Germany. This took a long time. Parts are at the garage and I will fly up there so fit them on. Gonna be exciting. The rims are black anodized - looking really good. Here a first look:
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...05_9YZej-L.jpg
Front wheel
Rim: 1.60 X 2`1
Tire: Heidenau K60, 90/90-21
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...29_mDVDN-L.jpg
Rear wheel
Rim: 3.00 X 17
Tire: Heidenau K60, 130/80-17
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...66_zFhr4-L.jpg
I have selected the Heidenau K60s because of their reputation for being a good, on and off road. They are supposed to perform slightly under a TKC80 off-road, therefore their total life-span should be higher. The TKC80 might have been my first choice, but considering how hard it is to get a good tire in China and my majority will be on-road riding, I think a tire with high milage performance is the better choice for me.
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...29_iFQfL-L.jpg
Here both of them together - I will start by changing over the front first.
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...81_DfPeJ-L.jpg
The new wheel is more narrow but 21" high - same size as for example on a F650GS Dakar.
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...34_KGgNF-L.jpg
First needed to put on the disk and the speedo inductor using some Lock-Tite to secure the bolts.
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...93_ZARuA-L.jpg
The wheel goes in fast. First look... I will check later with the GPS the deviation of the speedometer due to the larger wheel size.
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...68_4utgJ-S.jpg http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...95_PBsM7-S.jpg
A bit tricky to get the fender back on. I used some little metal tubes as spacers. However, I think this might not be stiff enough on the long term, therefore I will design a CNC part in stainless again.
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...87_Dbvwy-L.jpg
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...44_DV5r6-L.jpg
Here the new front look. As mentioned before already, I played around a bit and found,that the original fender still looks better than the higher motocross style type. It was not too hard to fit it on. Had to drill two little holes at the side to fit the fender to the forks. I move the holes a little backwards. This is bending it up a bit and compensates for the larger radius of the new wheel.
Now the rear wheel:
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...93_oeTf7-S.jpg http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...67_9jv3B-S.jpg http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...56_ViC2z-S.jpg
Here some scaling. The new rear wheel is almost 1.4kg lighter than the old one.
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...48_7BgH5-L.jpg
This is the transmission connection between wheel and sprocket hub. Took a picture to memorize the orientation of those rubber dampers, which need to go into the new hub.
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...42_Q2qTw-S.jpg http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...99_PjJ87-S.jpg
A little complication came up. I asked the guys in Germany to make sure that the bearings are sealed well - which they did. However, they filled up some space with the sealing, which is actually needed for a lip at the sprocket hub. Left side you can see the seal, right side the original bearing with some space on top -there is no extra seal.
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...22_VuQqT-S.jpg http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...90_WVPoK-S.jpg
Had to stop for that night to go to the mold-shop for some milling work the next day. Above you see the lip going away... I do not see an actual function of this part - just in case I will order a new hub in case something wrong shows up after testing.
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...90_6MQV3-L.jpg
The wheel is in. Here I replace the old chain (actually it had o-ring seals) with a new one (had to take out three sections first).
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...84_RDApg-L.jpg
Job done. Looks great I think. Now I feel more and more, that this black plastic chain-guard has to be replaced with something better looking...
I just made one test ride so far. The feeling is different of course and more to the direction I am used to. A clear difference made the larger rear sprocket (will post on this separately). The bike feels now more like dual-purpose and now I think that I have to sit a little higher. I ordered a new seat and plan to play around with the seat-cushioning later.
One modification seems to always ask for more. I am still enjoying doing it. Going pout for a ride adventure is of course the best thing to do. But if time doesn't allow for big adventures all the time, then some wrenching is good too.
Guys, let me know your thoughts on this modification.
Cheers,
AW.
UPDATE!!!
In the pictures above I have shown an improvised fender raiser, made by using steel tubes. The raiser,which serves also as a fork bridge will be replaced by a CNC part. 3D drawing is ready now. Here a first look:
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...31_77sBH-S.jpg http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...24_A5SKr-S.jpg
The original fender will fit right into this raiser. The final part will be made of stainless steel. Images once the part is ready.
Greetings,
AW.
UPDATE!!!
The CNC fork bridge is finished. Here some pictures:
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...76_taMXP-L.jpg
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...72_ueV6L-L.jpg
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...94_VTzEh-L.jpg
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...56_Kpqeg-L.jpg
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...64_6d47c-L.jpg
I am thinking about to increase the distance between the fender and the wheel a little more, but first The new springs need to go in. Then I will measure the spring travel and see, how much space is left between fender and chassis (under the front light), when the front is fully compressed. I want to avoid a crash if the fender is too high.
Keep you posted,
AW.
...back to modification list.
AW, between you and ChinaV, we're going to have to rename this site: myBlackChinaMoto.com. Black on black is going to look incredible! Now if you can get some of those blingey red rotors....Quote:
Originally Posted by Pfaelzer
You know...Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...8_98eo4-XL.jpg
....it always comes back to this. BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL!!!
If I were ChinaVs age, I might consider some more funky stuff too :naughty:.
:riding: AW.
Oh, and now I understand a bit more about the powder-coated boxes from Shanghai! Both the shape and color are significant!
jkp
Pfaelzer,
I am going to go broke before I even receive my new JH600 if you keep showing me these "upgrades"! I have already added 30% to the original costs and I have yet to sit on the bike!
Just kidding, great ideas. How painful was the cost of the wheels?
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AW,
Here is my friend's motard version. Hope this will give interested owners some other modification idea.:scooter:
Cheers,
Franki
PS: since you guys like the look, I post a couple more. The alu swing arm was fabricated by my friend who happens to be working in the metal work factory.:lol8: He does not want to disclose much since he is still waiting to complete the road test. Once he is happy about his creation, he will release more info.
http://www.joinbike.com/bbs/attachme...54735f0c64.jpg
http://www.joinbike.com/bbs/attachme...89e6a06b15.jpg
http://www.joinbike.com/bbs/attachme...7bf1b66b99.jpg
Franki's image worked but the few before don't , even if I am signed in. me or you folks?
Nice set of wheels, new rear swing arm and lower handle bar - will be cool to see this being completed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franki
Thanks Franki.
Ref. ...images before by jape.
It's not you. Looks like something went wrong on TexasAggie's post.
AW.
Those that did not work were mine. I screwed up the posting. I was just trying to post some old vintage pics of me in 1969 to tease Pfaelzer about what his redesigning skills could do for the Bultaco in the picture. I also figured some of you other guys would get a laugh. I am awaiting my JH600 and spending more on upgrades than I paid for the bike at the rate I am going. It is AW's fault as he keeps posting stuff that makes me start thinking "Stop the madness!" Maybe I will get it figured out and get the pictures uploaded later. You did not miss much.
DT
Attachment 1497A long, long, time ago in a galaxy far away.........
Wondering what AW would do to improve this ride! I probably should not ask, It will end up costing me money.
DT
Franki,
you need to get a nice Wilbers rear-shock for your buddy... The swing-arm looks pretty much like a nice welding-job modified Galaxy XTR250 part. Am I indiscreet here...? Actually our new XTR is sitting right next to my while I am changing the front wheel of my JH600. Pictures later...
AW.
That is one helluva awesome picture :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasAggie
I don't think the XTR swing arm is strong enough for the JH600. Furthermore XTR rear shock does not have linkage. Don't have the measurements here, will check with him later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pfaelzer
Hurry up with your pics as I have ran out of materials to tell the Chinese folks.:lol8:
Franki
Franki,
wheels are done - great. Had to do some milling because of the sealed bearings the guys put in so I needed some more space. New chain and sprocket are on. Very happy - BUT - weather is too good now here in Fuzhou. I'm going out for a little ride with my buddy (the guy with the new XTR). So pix need to wait until the weekend... Then I might tell something about how the bike feels with all the new stuff on it.
:riding::riding::riding: cheers, AW.
Hi,
here two images where you can see the Galaxy XTR250 and the Jialing JH600 side by side for a little size comparison. both fun bikes but very different in size and purpose.
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...32_zr4cG-L.jpg
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...89_SdzkC-L.jpg
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...11_iWcjY-L.jpg
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...56_DDAT6-L.jpg
Greetings and nice holidays,
AW.
Take a preview at the latest modifications on the JH600. New set of wheels and chain with larger rear sprocket. Details will be updated later. Right now it's family first...
Post 1 - Modification Summary
Cheers,
AW.
Amazing! I think the Jialing folks wouldn't even recognize their own bike! Very curious to know how the new wheels perform, and what you'll be doing to compensate for the smaller diameter of the rear wheel. Those tires mean business!
Oh, and please give two paragraphs on yesterday's ride, though this will engender more intense feelings of envy considering the beautiful weather here and the fact that I'm still bikeless. Did you get off road at all?
OMG how dwarfed the XTR looks. :eekers: Other than that it looks really great, I think I now know the name for my bike. It shall be The Trail Beast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pfaelzer
AW,
Any issue adjusting the front fender to fit the new 21 inch wheel?
DT
Hi JKP,Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
no need to compensate the smaller rear wheel. This (17" and 21") is a common dual sports set-up as you can find it on a F650GS Dakar or also my old R80GS Basic. It's a compromise. The 18" rear goes for real off-road purpose bikes - that's not the JH600. I know, Franki will say again that it's hard to get 17" tires in China... but who says China supposed to be easy?
Nothing special about yesterday ride. Had to dial in the carb on the XTR a bit. Just zooming around in the neighborhood... swapping bikes. Man, it's like going from a GSA to a mountain bike when I change from my JH to the XTR. I'll write some more on the wheel and sprocket later in the report. Need to upload the pictures first.
AW.
Dwarfted may be BUT tall. Had to lower it a bit until my friend here gets used to riding again...Quote:
Originally Posted by moilami
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...55_RV32a-L.jpg
AW.
Sharp eyes TexasAggie. Sure there were some issues. I compromised a bit since it was late night when I was working on that. It's OK temporary. A design for a nice CNC part is already on the way. Will show pictures later. However, to tell it upfront - I will stay for the time being with the lower fender. I compared the look to the high - motocross style fender but it just doesn't look right. So I figured:Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasAggie
If this bike looks good - and it does...
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...89_3aRgP-L.jpg
...then my JH600 shouldn't be too far off...
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Motorcyc...49_D5sAS-L.jpg
...and now that it is almost finished I like it like that (look how happy the guy is on his new set of wheels).
AW.
I agree with you completely on the low fender vs high. I think your bike looks great. I am finding it difficult to have patience awaiting delivery of my bike. Appreciate your sharing your R&D work as always. Enjoy your upcoming ride.
DT
Yeh. I compared ground clearances and seat heights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pfaelzer
Regarding looks of the bikes I say that even though I have adored KTM bikes and especially those old Adventure KTMs, that new model with road racing style plastic fairings.. eeew I would fer sure rather buy that black Xingyue :lol8: (name lol) XY400-2 than that KTM UFO. http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/sh...ll=1#post13215
Quote:
Originally Posted by moilami
KTM UFO - that may be - BUT... ever ridden one oft those 990s? Very addictive I can tell ya. The UFO look is one thing, which doesn't make me switch over from GS boxers... Based on your taste you must be rather in my age-group I guess. One thing we have to get used to: The XT500 times are over. Material has technically improved a lot and we all appreciate quality. Therefore we sometimes need to compromise a bit and get away from the old looks. Not really true because having said that, this is the ride I built recently with my friends in Germany and went to Iceland on it:
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Biking/I...4_wHCEe-XL.jpg
Together with my wife:
http://pfaelzer.smugmug.com/Biking/I...71_9JSM4-L.jpg
"Old stuff" still rules... :riding::riding::riding:
AW.
(This is my post no. 100 - so it has to be special hahaha)