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well, everything is possible BUT with a market of what? millions of potential bikers ::: why do you think they do not have any bikes at the factory? why is is that in a city of what? in between 4 and 10mio people the yamaha outlet(s) have a total of 2bikes available? so... lets say they sell 2000 ybr 250's a year all over china - doens not make much sense to produce it in china (meaning like the whole bike) - certainly sure they assemble the bike in china. anyway do not really care as long as the quality is as good as it it on my bikes! so i hope there will, at some point, be more bikes like the ybr250 coming our of chinese factories!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ZMC888
what other bikes does jianshe yamaha manufacture in china (+200cc???)
AND more to the point - you got any contacts there - as mentioned ::: as them to send 5bikes tomorrow ;-) (honestly!!!)
well, looks like any other yamaha 250YBR ;-) - but thanks for the flowers, will post some bike (rinding) pics soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robeta
Attachment 4816Attachment 4817Attachment 4818Some pics of recent trips around Tibet with our trustworthy companions the Yamaha YBR 250cc bikes
I just bought a YBR and I'm told it's in the process of being licensed.
I had to take it red, even if my color of choice was black, because black was not available.
They said 3 months to have one black!
It's plausible some key parts of the bike is made elsewhere and there is a shortage of it. By the way the YBR 250 is sold everywhere else than China and Brazil with the name Fazer.
Heiri, would it be possible to participate to one of your tours with my own bike? I have already Visa, driving licence and all, just need tibet permit,
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Originally Posted by marcomagica
[QUOTE=marcomagica;30929]I just bought a YBR and I'm told it's in the process of being licensed.
I had to take it red, even if my color of choice was black, because black was not available.
They said 3 months to have one black!
quote: Yamaha Fazer 250 was presented to the public in Brazil and is to be launched in Europe in 2011, replacing the YBR250. Check the review to know the features, price and technical specification. 2011 Yamaha FZ1 Home, Real-world performance that will make your everyday ride extraordinary.
hi marcomagica, where did you buy you bike?? they have more than one in their showroom? price? you got a phone number and name??? really need some bikes!!!
JOINING A TOUR - yes, should be possible especially since you (will) own a ybr as well! have a look at www.asiabiketours.com for dates and more and get in touch for more info
all the best
heinrich
It's plausible some key parts of the bike is made elsewhere and there is a shortage of it. By the way the YBR 250 is sold everywhere else than China and Brazil with the name Fazer.
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Originally Posted by heiri
READ your Vin plate!! JYM Jianshe Yamaha YB250 :WTFamI
The Sakura tires? CCC sticker? They are made mostly for export! Anything automotive imported into China has over 100% tax on it which means you'd be paying 50,000 RMB plus for them each if they were made in Brazil and shipped here.
How is it I know this? Well I had a Sundiro Honda CBF150, I've also only seen about 10 others over a 5 year period in China. Shit, they must really be wasting their time with manufacturing those here, I thought. Then I actually read something on the 'internet thingy' and found out even though they didn't sell many in China, the bike was actually a massive hit in Turkey, and fairly popular in The Philippines, Singapore and Hong Kong, and was even manufactured in India too, then I understood that to find something out I had to actually find information rather than relying on a hunch.
does not make much sense to discuss here what we (at least i ) can not prove. give a shit anyway as long as the quality is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZMC888
your honda cbf150 thing makes sense although 1) brazil is selling the ybr's to europe and the us for sure - where would JYM plate be selling to?
2) Vin plate.. (well they have differnent Vin plates all over europe...) - but
thats fine..
i would be more interesting to know for if if your dealer got more than ONE bike (because i need them and not to because of the "made in... " discussion
have fun (and i am sure you will) with your ybr!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Heinrich,
I bought mine in Fuyang but probably it came from another dealer near Hangzhou, actually I didn't follow the purchase process directly and I'm not even sure about the final price. It should be either 28k or 26k, I know I paid more expensive than others but I wanted to buy locally and I wanted them to take care of licensing the bike.
In fact the bike is already licensed, too bad I can't ride it yet as I am travelling abroad. I will ask at the end of this week if they have more bikes in Hangzhou but I doubt, I think I bought the last one.
For the tour I'll check dates and see, but I think it shall be for next summer as now my schedule is a bit tight. For the price of the tour I suppose we can cut it substantially as I would bring my own bike and you won't need to face the "bureaucracy" :deal: of "facilitating" the driving licence. Am I right?
Heinri I've given you enough facts. Not sure if you believing the outlandish or ridiculous because it makes you happy or pissing me off gives you pleasure, but you are wrong and you are defying logic.
1. It is cheaper to manufacture in China than anywhere else, why would a manufacturer import parts into China if they can make them here?
2. Most bikes made in China are exported, that's why you don't see many of them on the streets.
3. Chinese and Brazilian versions of the same bike are available side by side in Yamaha dealerships in many countries, to give customers a price choice.
I'm not discussing this again.
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Originally Posted by ZMC888
:confused1:??? strange??? did not really find something i wrote the justifies you reaction but be it as it is. maybe someone (neutral) can enlighten me :confused1:
AH, TO MAKE A FINAL POINT ON THAT ISSUE : IF I DID OFFEND YOU ALTHOUGH NOT INTENDED (AND STILL DONT KNOW HOW) I AM SORRY AND APOLOGISE!!!
Perhaps he just had a bad day... I'm sure henrich didn't argue to piss you off man, it's just what he thought because it's impossible for him to find new bikes....Quote:
Originally Posted by heiri
As for me I think this bike is not popular at all in China, as it's too expensive for the average motorbike guy, while the rich people goes for the expensive imported ones.
For this reason the resellers don't like to stock them and they order from factory which produces on a per-order basis. It's also possible that some engine parts are imported.
As for me... I can wait to put my ass on my new YBR! Chill out guys!
Marco, it's not the silly ideas based on what Heinri would like to believe, its clinging to them despite all other evidence that I find unbearable.
Take this as an example:
Friend buys what looks like an expensive Italian leather jacket for cheap in China.
I say, "it's fake".
He says, "maybe it's surplus from the back of the factory".
I say, "it's fake".
He says, "maybe it's second quality from the factory".
I say, "it's fake".
He says, "maybe it's just a bit older so it's cheaper".
I say, "it's fake".
He says, "why are you so arrogant, how do you no it isn't real?"
I say, "it's only made in Italy and costs 500 euro, why would they import a rubbish quality jacket into China to sell for 300 RMB?!!"
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Originally Posted by ZMC888
considering the title "ybr 250 needed urgent" this is very enlightening!!!
LAST TRY "PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR MY SHORTCOMINGS, PLEASE ACCEPT MY DEEPEST APOLOGIES FOR UPSETTING YOU!!!"
to finish this "urgently needed" thing here
finally (thanks to andy/chinabiker) we found a dealer in beijing who's able to source up to 5bikes. hard work if you can get it!
A Brazilian made YBR250 would cost too much in the USA, they will never sell them in the US.
If they did intend to sell them in the USA they would have to be sourced from china and they would not be profitable, because they would not sell many.
It is possible that some of the components going into the YBR250 made in china or Brazil are coming out of Japan. The Serrow250 sold in Japan has or shares the same engine as the YBR250.
http://www.yamaha-motor.jp/mc/lineup/sportsbike/serow/
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/%2...roduct_001.jpghttp://www.yamaha-motor.jp/mc/lineup...roduct_001.jpg
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload...aha-YBR250.jpg
It depends but typically they manufacture the engines in one factory, but its all has to do with a total cost total value analysis. You have to wonder why if the engines are being manufactured in three factories then why not introduce more models in all three markets that manufacture them?
Based on the markets prices in all three markets I would say the engines likely come from a single plant and it likely is in Japan, not for cost reasons but for value/quality reasons. However it is also possible the engines are all coming out of china and then it is a matter of higher profits. But pushing the Chinese to make more comes with less or lower quality control. Then there are underlying issue in china as well like the source of the metal and the inherent quality of that.
It all has to be based on conjecture….Yamaha holds that info close they consider it private.
the majority of the models that have that engine are Japanese made models
http://www2.yamaha-motor.fr/salon/mo...icker-01-2.jpg
http://www.yamaha-motor.jp/mc/lineup...roduct_001.jpg
MJH pretty much agree on everything you say but i think on the ybr side you underestimate brazil (at least in europe - sales wise)
anyway as long as the quality is what it's like on my bikes i a) dont care and b) do care ;-) if they are made in china (do care :: should make spares cheaper)
price in europe (austria/germany at least) is around 4.200€ which is - according to moto journos over there - a good price (for a good bike)
some quality issues that turned up in reports in europe state it as 'made in brazil"
BUT shit actually i anser because of what you posted!!!!!
any of the bikes (like tricker) available (or made in ) china. specially the xt250 looks good to me. altough the ybr250's really fine bike even on the offroad parts to everest base camp the xt built would be even better. so any idea on that???? THANKS!!!
Look the Chinese manufacture millions of engines every year, why can't they manufacture a 250cc single engine suddenly? I've seen Yamaha 450cc single quad engines being assembled in my city! Japanese bearings? Possibly. EFI units even maybe. Engines? nah.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
I think we've got a winner!Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
Do you know that BMW pay Loncin to manufacture their F650 engine in China? Then export the engine to Germany and then assemble the bike to cut costs?
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload...bmw_f650gs.jpg
Then why would Yamaha export their engines from Japan, Brazil or elsewhere into China? Really think about this.
if i had no "pissed you off" i would have mentioned earlier that i more and more belive (or lets say I BELIVE) that the ybr250cc is manufactured in china. especially since i saw the prices in brazil are about the same as in europe (roughly double china).
@ bmw/loncin : read that in papers as well. sources with bmw munich say that is not entirely true, they are getting parts of the engine from loncin/china. but maybe they just do not want to admit they are sourcing in china. hope the will built the whole bike in china soon so it is available for a reasonable price.
That's nonsense about the bimmer 650 single engines not being made by Loncin. I know a guy from Loncin who confirmed it to me, and there have been plenty of posts on the web, including some cited here in MCM, showing photographic evidence of the 650 single being made lock, stock and cylinder in Chongqing.Quote:
Originally Posted by heiri
I can understand why BMW would not want people to know this, but it's a fact. It's probably also a very good strategy.
cheers!
Could you tell me how to call that "cord thing" in chinese? I'm trying to find it on taobao but I can't find a suitable translation for an effective search....Quote:
Originally Posted by slabo
Cheers
I went to 'taobao focus' and input 'cable lock' which found dozens including this combination one http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=8...cm_cat=0&pm1=1
I have one for my m'bike here in Oz alongside a chain and padlock - but be careful, the cheaper cable ones can be forced or cut easily enough, and the thinner ones are for laptops not 'bikes.
http://s.taobao.com/search?q=cable+l...d=tb.index&rt=
This "碟刹锁弹簧提醒绳" term yielded one result, bought >> http://s.taobao.com/search?q=%B5%FA%...=1311347225406 << last year, was too short, never used it.Quote:
Originally Posted by marcomagica
One day I started the bike, first gear, and then I heard something snap.. I look down and seems my disc lock snapped! That was last year, I still didn't buy a lock.. this is the lock I that snapped >> http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=974061053
It was locked on the rear disc.
could well be. dont know how far my bmw friends are involved there. stays to hope that we will see this engine (or at least an engine with similar quality) in a china made (and priced) bike soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
english is not my native language but i guess "lock, stock and cylinder" means the complete engine? correct? thanks ::: ok, just googled confirmed!
Thank you very much Slabo!
I will buy 2 of those since you say it's too short and they are real cheap.
I've bought this but I don't want to endanger my manhood on the gas tank by forgetting that on the front disk.
I plan to use that on the front wheel and pull the cord thing till the handlebar.
Now you are making up lies to prove me wrong, sheesh! :eek2: The F650 engine is famously completely made in China, Loncin are very proud of it and have massive billboard posters of it in their advertising. I really can't understand why you have such difficulty being a nearly-noob!Quote:
Originally Posted by heiri
Dear Marco, anyone using a rotor lock like this makes the stupid mistake -- at least once -- of riding with it still on the rotor. Not pretty. I got one of those slinky cords in bright red from Simon at Qiyi in Shanghai, and I put the long end around my ignition key cylinder so I see it when I put the key in.Quote:
Originally Posted by marcomagica
But I also take one other precaution: Rather than putting the lock on the most easily accessible part of the rotor, i.e., the top, thus giving it at least 270 degrees of rotation before collision, I make sure to put it on just below the caliper assembly so that if I do try to ride with it on the lock can only travel 1-2cm through 10 degrees of rotation or less. In other words, not enough distance or time to build any momentum at all.
cheers!
“Could well be"???Quote:
Originally Posted by heiri
Heiri, now I'm beginning to understand why ZMC888 finds your posts so exasperating! What is it about facts that you find so difficult?
Your BMW buddies may be in denial, but that Loncin-built BMW engine is famous here in China, and very widely known. People who have visited the factory have posted pictures of the production line and the BMW engine for all to see, including this guy from India.
Here's another thread, alas in Chinese, though you can use Google's Chrome browser and accept its offer to translate the entire post into English, or German, in 2 seconds. The main poster is a Loncin employee. Even without translating, you can scroll through a few pages and see from the pictures alone that Loncin indeed builds the BMW 650 thumper (not to be confused with the BMW 650 twin, which is actually closer to 800cc) in its entirety and is very publicly proud of this fact, as are many chinese forum posters. Here are a few images:
http://attachments.motorfans.com.cn/...jZOdOlflBV.jpg
http://attachments.motorfans.com.cn/...MMAaLrB8Ms.jpg
http://attachments.motorfans.com.cn/...IbtdNZxubC.jpg
I won't translate the whole thing, but the text where you see "2007" translates as: "In 2007, the first Loncin-manufactured BMW 650cc engine comes off the production line, and, in fact, 1200 Loncin-manufactured BMW 650cc engines are OEM'd ("wholesale sold") into Europe, and, from this point Loncin becomes the principal manufacturer of the BMW 650cc engine."
http://attachments.motorfans.com.cn/...HRgZXtfme8.jpg
The sign in Chinese reads: "Ceremony marking the 1,000th BMW 650 engine to come off the (Loncin) production line". The Maotai they are drinking may be fake, but this is indeed the Loncin factory and the engines are real!
Still not convinced?
Perhaps you'd like to buy one of these Chinese-made BMW engines. Prepare 12,000 RMB and browse to this link on Taobao (again, use Google's Chrome browser), which is where I found this image:
http://img07.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/...!!94883338.jpg
I do share your hope that we'll see that BMW engine in Chinese bikes, though I doubt BMW would be happy about that. No matter, Loncin has the technology and ability and perhaps already is doing this. The engine in our 600cc Jialings, which was designed by AVL of Austria, is a very close cousin of that BMW thumper. It's entirely possible that Jialing, rather than making them in house, outsources them from Loncin, which a just few miles across town in Chongqing.
The problem with the China market is that it's too restrictive and too small for anything above 200 or 250cc. Until motorcycles lose their stigma as farm vehicles and "the poor man's automobile", and become cherished for recreation and commuting by the middle class, demand for mid-sized and large displacement bikes in China will remain too limited to drive such innovation.
cheers!