Qianjiang Motor

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Originally Posted by MJH

Austrian KSR Group GmbH, manufacturer and importer of motorcycles, scooters, quads and ATVs, anounced the re-naming of ist own motorcycle brand „GENERIC“ to „KSR MOTO by GENERIC“ at Intermot 2012.

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I remembered Sergio Bonelli's old comic book. The main character, Zagor, had a sidekick whose name was Felipe Cayetano Lopez Martinez y Gonzales, but everyone called him simply - Chico.

I do not understand why the Austrians made ​​so much fuss about the new name - simple KSR is more than enough.

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Originally Posted by MJH

I have to say that what KSR is doing is actually smart, consider the Vulcan 100, light easy to own and maintain.

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Vulcan, heh? Where are Kawasaki lawyers so far?

What I find interesting in this motorcycle is its engine. It seems to me that it is "bent" good old Honda engine with horizontal cylinder. 100 cc - it should be 50 mm bore and 49.5 mm stroke. I first saw this, as I called him - "bent" engine, on Sino-Polish "Romet Zetka" 50, and I would say that the same thing in a new Lifan 100 cc motorcycle a la Honda Ape. An interesting exercise on the subject "layout redesign", the but I do not understand why they did it, when that "bent" engine is rarely used.

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Originally Posted by moilami

This! Just give more cc and replace front drum brake with modern disc brake.

I can't believe why it is so hard to design and market a bike which is a workhorse like MZ bikes are or like older Honda CB are.

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Your eastern neighbors sell those for around 1150 euros - http://moto.mail.ru/articles/test_dr...els_delta_200/ .

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Originally Posted by moilami

They should put some military grade design into the game. Start it with the idea "it must be maintainable in a forest/desert/ using only a limited set of basic tools, while the overal construction must be sturdy enough for the bike to go through WW2 campaign as a scouting vehicle."

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They did and didn't work so good - Shineray Long March.

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Originally Posted by moilami

Or should I go to a local bank with my diploma and ask for €100 000 000 loan to start up a company myself xD

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Find bigger bank and go, not with your diploma, but with your Rk - it is better chance to get some money that way. :mwink:

1972 Tornado 650 S

If you look through the images they have a copy of the MSO and it has a typo the HP at 11.2hp?
That engine had about 50hp


Typical Italian bike the electric starter only works one day out of the week, it takes the rest of the week off to recover.


But it is defiantly in my eyes one of the handsomest bikes ever made. Maybe they can bring back a line of bikes called Tornados?

Ist their name they can change it if they want to.


If you offer names up for a friends child….you can likely cross those off as ever being the child’s name.
Everybody wants to name their own babies.


The all over the place is coming inherently out of china from the factory to retail lots and lots of names.


I think they are saying uncle, to is it a Generic, it’s a Keeway it’s a Benelli, it does not end there.


I would pick some names and stick with them?


Kawasaki does have a line of bikes they call Vulcans, Yamaha has a line of bikes called Star. I doubt Kawasaki would have issues with the name, the bike is also a copy of their model they sell in SE Asia called a Boxer CT100

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Originally Posted by Zorge

Your eastern neighbors sell those for around 1150 euros - http://moto.mail.ru/articles/test_dr...els_delta_200/ .


They did and didn't work so good - Shineray Long March.


Find bigger bank and go, not with your diploma, but with your Rk - it is better chance to get some money that way. :mwink:

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I am just curious and an idiot, what you meant with Rk, I did not get it xD


Cool! There is still hope in the world :D


Though, I very much liked the bike you linked and could buy it anytime, I became most attracted of the majestical Enduro they have:

http://velomotors.ru/images/cms/data...400_enduro.jpg

The next best thing was this:

http://velomotors.ru/images/cms/data.../orion_125.jpg

Would be a fun business to import Stels motorcycles by Velomotors to Finland. I very much liked the lineup they have. Just a pita that the markets in general does not like of what I like. With epic marketing worth of doctoral thesis grade studies later on that could be however changed :D


Anyway, I am a happy motorcyclist again. There is choise even though elitists in ivory towers has done their best with all kind of shitty directives to eliminate all competition against established brands.

There is choise, but the question is how it is possible to enjoy of that choise in Finland :p

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Originally Posted by MJH

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...ajBoxer100.jpg

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Oh wow, look at that saddle!

They sell bikes like that in markets where people actually use motorcycles :eekers:

In Europe they sell shitty bikes with paper thin saddles for people who actually drive cars :bs:

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Originally Posted by MJH

Kawasaki does have a line of bikes they call Vulcans

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Their VN's are here known as Vulcans: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Vulcan

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Originally Posted by moilami

I am just curious and an idiot, what you meant with Rk, I did not get it xD

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Rk stands for Rynnäkkökivääri. :icon10:

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Originally Posted by moilami

I am just curious and an idiot, what you meant with Rk, I did not get it xD


Cool! There is still hope in the world :D


Though, I very much liked the bike you linked and could buy it anytime, I became most attracted of the majestical Enduro they have:



The next best thing was this:



Would be a fun business to import Stels motorcycles by Velomotors to Finland. I very much liked the lineup they have. Just a pita that the markets in general does not like of what I like. With epic marketing worth of doctoral thesis grade studies later on that could be however changed :D


Anyway, I am a happy motorcyclist again. There is choise even though elitists in ivory towers has done their best with all kind of shitty directives to eliminate all competition against established brands.

There is choise, but the question is how it is possible to enjoy of that choise in Finland :p

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Are kidding if you want to set up an dealership then Import from Baltmotors, but Finland may not have favorable import tariffs, check out what the tariff rates are for that oblast were Baltmotors is located.
Kaliningrad.


If you set up a shop it should centered first in Helsinki, you would need mechanics or two.
You could import from Baltmotors and also certain products from KSR and maybe Romet and Minsk.

The duty is 8% and VAT 24%, so you add to the dealer cost what ever that is.

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Originally Posted by MJH

Are kidding if you want to set up an dealership then Import from Baltmotors, but Finland may not have favorable import tariffs, check out what the tariff rates are for that oblast were Baltmotors is located.
Kaliningrad.


If you set up a shop it should centered first in Helsinki, you would need mechanics or two.
You could import from Baltmotors and also certain products from KSR and maybe Romet and Minsk.

The duty is 8% and VAT 24%, so you add to the dealer cost what ever that is.

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Huh, Minsk!

http://minsk-moto.com/pub/products/2...4_200_edit.jpg

Finally someone able to perfect the design of a motorcycle!

I want to spend the rest of my life either doing photography or doing something with motorcycles. So, thanks of the tips. I will have to evaluate the possibilities.

http://minsk-moto.com/pub/products/2...m4_200_011.jpg

This truly is one of most adorable bikes on the markets I know. Awesome. Brilliant. Epic.

I was about to go berserk when thinking that can't a nation who has invented and produced

http://hsfeatures.com/images/il2ir_1.jpg

and

http://www.saunalahti.fi/ejuhola/7.62/t34-85a.jpg

really produce a workhorse motorcycle able to wipe the rest of the wannabee motorcycles away of the table.

http://oursurprisingworld.com/wp-con...he_road_06.jpg

And the answer was: M1NSK.

Yeah Minsk maintained some of their former identify with their Classic models. I wonder how much of these bikes are being done in Belarus?

That engine is it Chinese? I do not ever recall a 125cc 2-stroke made in china, just the AX100, where are they getting that engine ? Loncin (Minsk Chinese supplier) does make the AX100, but are they also making the 125cc 2-stroke?


Anyway that made me look for a AX125.…this is what I found.

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Originally Posted by MJH

I wonder how much of these bikes are being done in Belarus?

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Most of it.

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Originally Posted by MJH

That engine is it Chinese?

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No, this is old Minsk engine, which originated from DKW RT 125.


BTW, all this discussion is way too big off-topic.

I see now...
Minsk 125cc … made in Belarus

Minsk offering Chinese models under their brand threw me off, what do they sell for? I cannot find any ads for them.
Are they sold in Europe outside of the eastern countries.

They sell in the Ukraine for good prices.

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Originally Posted by MJH

I see now...

They sell in the Ukraine for good prices.

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Indeed! M4 200, the classic model, €1700 :deal:


I am thinking could it be the best to hitchike to Belarussia and then buy the bike straight from the factory, and drive it back to Finland :D Would be epic trip.

Assholes just propably wont let register it in Finland :WTFamI

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Originally Posted by Zorge

They did and didn't work so good - Shineray Long March.

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Um, no. You can look from the link below of examples where the specifications has been met.


http://www.gekra-motors.nl/


http://www.gekra-motors.nl/images/motoren/255.jpg

Qianjiang offerings under other brand names?

Keeway has revised its website and offerings, they have some models listed as a 199cc SOHC 4-valve with 12kW@9000 rpm 14.5Nm @6000 rpm.


One of the 200 offerings with that engine is their KXM 200
http://www.keewaymotor.com/_m_gw_yqn...85UOCd4bQ=.jpg


Another is their RKV200S Factory
http://www.keewaymotor.com/_m_gw_yqn...sr9paPMe8=.jpg

The website is slow to load and does not center properly, other then that its a good improvement.

http://ninja250r.files.wordpress.com...0s-factory.jpg

The Factory is a cool bike.

http://www.keewaycr.com/Images/Slide...2_11_19_31.jpg

They are offering the 600 in Costa Rica under the Keeway brand.
http://www.keewaycr.com/Images/Produ...2_03_30_48.jpg

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Originally Posted by MJH

The Factory is a cool bike.

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And finally - duplex frame... :clap:

Benelli China has the 2ue 756 listed as a model.

It looks like Finland will get the 250cc Benelli Motard.
http://www.benelli.fi/

Available colors: to be determined.
Price: to be determined.

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Originally Posted by MJH

It looks like Finland will get the 250cc Benelli Motard.
http://www.benelli.fi/

Available colors: to be determined.
Price: to be determined.

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Well I'm happy for Finland, but what about China Mainland??? Any idea if we're getting that 250 Motard over here? I'd be immensely interested in getting one...

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Originally Posted by Steve_Halt

Well I'm happy for Finland, but what about China Mainland??? Any idea if we're getting that 250 Motard over here? I'd be immensely interested in getting one...

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How good is your Mandarin?
http://www.benellimotor.com/forumindex.jsp

That is one lonely forum.

This post in particular is highly unprofessional...or just inappropriate, somebody is not taking the forum serious.
http://www.benellimotor.com/topic-72-1.html

I can read pretty much most of it. No exact info on 250 availability there. Asked a local Benelli dealer - they got no clue that this model even exists...

They cannot seem to keep the offerings well defined as to what they make and were it will be offered and by who.


They should differentiate on offerings better and segments within those as well.


The 250cc singles are only being seen as Benelli models, but some of the 150cc models are also being seen as Benelli models but are not listed on the Chinese Benelli website.


I believe they must not have a database with all websites listed and they need that as well as all related linked pages to other websites. As well as really good databases with model names and images of them.


For example: http://www.qjmotor.com/
This site has two hyperlinks one takes the customer to Qjiang china’s website and the other to a set of links, this site. http://www.qjmotor.com/qjmotor/welcome3.jsp Which has Benelli, Keeway, Generic and Qianjiang Motors.
The last two are dead links.


The error is that the Benelli link is not a global Benelli site, its an Italian site that offers an English translation. But is does offer a network link that offers links if available to markets by region. If you select China you get this hyper link http://www.benellimotor.com/cn/intro.jsp That is were it gets really convoluted because they list models that are no even offered in China as if they are offered and also do not list other models like the 150cc Dragon that is offered? Like this bike
http://ninja250r.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/drgn4.jpg

Benelli's flagship store is also listing the 2ue 756 as a New Model, however the images are not new, they are as much as 6-7 years old?
http://www.fhlmotor.com/bnl/xpss/


They do some pretty crappy advertising for such high priced bikes, they do not list the BN600.


They have the 899 at 139,800 RMB which is $22,475.67
That same model in Italy is $15,487.00 USD


That model only is 45% more in china.