FYI, Qjiang product page:
http://www.qjmotor.com/qjmotor/vehic...335de7238b0332
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FYI, Qjiang product page:
http://www.qjmotor.com/qjmotor/vehic...335de7238b0332
FYI, copy of warranty details from the original Benelli booklet that comes with the bike (left side <250cc, right side >250cc).
Attachment 7071
Brief translation for >250cc:
2 years or 30,000km (whatever first) on engine main parts and bike body
1 year or 10,000km on e.g. shock absorbers, electric parts
1/2 year or 5,000km on e.g. horn, turn lights, battery, paint, clutch, plastic parts, and tire (?)
Excluded from warranty is:
e.g. damage during transport, force majeur, wrong usage, damage by non-original spare parts, repair by unauthorized people, 2nd hand bikes, normal wear
Imho, incorrect fixture of the seat was the reason. The driver's seat is fixed by two plastic clips at front, a plastic clip in the middle, and a metal post at the back. These clips have to find their place in four metal clamps. The important clip is the middle one--it is necessary to move the seat from back to front (horizontally) in order to arrest the clip in its clamp. One would expect that the two front clips would easily snap into their clamps at the tank when moving the seat as described, but the opposite is true. Indeed, it is difficult to arrest the front clips correctly and a gap between the front wings of the seat and the tank is the result, if failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
(For the sake of completeness, the back metal post snaps into a secured metal clamp that can be unlocked only by removing the passenger seat. Arresting this post is easy, in either case.)
Hi Tomtom, do you work for Benelli / Qjiang? Thanks for posting the tech specs and warranty details on this bike. I'm hoping some other members can chime in with their opinions on the latter.
Also wondering if people could post their opinions on this bike in comparison to the CFMOTO 650NK
I've found 2 lengthy Chinese threads on the comparison:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuhaus
http://www.moto8.cn/thread-234684-1-1.html
http://motorcycle.sh.cn/t_17308510.htm
They seem to be cross linked. My Chinese's quite poor, but from I understood, they didn't do any in-depth VS rides, just the looks and price. Not too much, really. My preference is Benelli, still.
Hi Nuhaus,Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuhaus
No, I do not work for Benelli :-), but I found the bike at a dealer recently and had a chat with him. To me the bike is quite attractive--high build quality, exceeds Chinese standard (by far), as far as this can be judged by viewing only. Maybe I will test ride the bike soon--will keep you posted.
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Originally Posted by Steve_Halt
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Thanks for the links Steve Halt. Yeh, those threads don't yield much useful information after Chrome has a go at them with the translator. I went through the above and I just... wow. What the hell did I read?
Oh god my brain hurts!
IMO there is no such thing as a 'motorcycle review' until at least 10,000 kms have been done on it. These are rambling nonsense 'first impressions'.
agreed. being translated reads like James Joyce + Hunter Thompson.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZMC888
Poetry.
Did two Benelli 600 test rides--some comments below. In short: bella macchina!!! :-)))
A dual-sport driver said in a previous report "No bite, just bark"--well then, it's a nice bark to me :-)
Very agile engine, but engine was brand-new (just 30 km), so I did not cross 7,000 (the red starts at 13,000). The engine welcomes the revs, but does not need them. Good punch already at 3,000. Runs very smooth, accelerates without gap or break. Hopefully it will be this smooth also above 7,000.
I was doubtful about the front fork, as it is Qjiang production and cannot be adjusted, but no complain. Fork is smooth and sensitive, also on a bumpy road section, no bottoms-out/snap-through.
No gear indicator, but this bike is for the chase. Listen to the engine for shifting, watch the traffic/competition instead and not the dial :-). Shifting is smooth, easy and exact--cannot confirm other forum member's remark about inaccurate gearbox reaction. Maybe it is better to shift quickly and to not confuse the gearbox with sedate action...;-)? Left foot's position with shifting level simply fits and shifting is easy. Shifting is a joy indeed. Finally, the being used to directions again: Up for up and down for down :-). And, the bikes just accelerates and accelerates at full throttle with gapless performance and without any sudden power peaks or breaks. I hardly hit 7,000 revs, so gear shift followed gear shift quickly and so did releasing and pulling the throttle. But each action fluidly fitted with the next, no sudden revs up due to a missed gear or other, maybe even dangerous, annoyances.
I do not feel comortable enough with the bike to emergency brake, but I braked hard. Front brakes are very good, the Metzler tire did not block and the bike slowed down drastically--one might need to watch the mirrors to avoid cars bumping into the bike, as their brakes might not be so strong ;-) Rear brake did not block the wheel, but I wasn't riding solo, so I avoided to block the wheel. And, I also did not try to check how good rear brake would help stabalizing the bike when braking at the limit.
Bike geometry is for Western-drivers. I am 190cm and I wanted to know if I feel comfortable also when riding a bit longer. And yes, I do feel comfortable! Leg position and knee-angle can easily create tension on some bikes (peg position and distance to the seat are crucial here). On the Benelli, angle is acceptable and I have a good connection to the tank. The forward leaning position could reduce the wind pressure at high(er) speed, but makes driving a bit strenuous in town.
Shape of the handlebar does not allow a big range of adjustments. Its quality and look seems a bit cheap, but, imho, other Benelli bikes do also not score with their handlebar optics. Mirrors did not vibrate. That makes them usable, even so they are not very large. I like the position of the high beam switch--it can be pushed with the index finger. Tachometer is analog, quite big and at the dominant position in the middle of the instrument block. Revs can be read very easy, tacho does not vibrate. Spedo is digital, position to the right of the tacho, partly covering it. Spedo also shows other info like fuel amount, total kilometers, trip kilometers (I guess). Readabiliy? Not sure, dark grey on lighter grey at daylight. Forgot to read spedo when driving. Btw, speed sensor location is at the rear wheel and was not attached on the test bike (they taped the sensor to the rear swinging fork). Then spedo shows "0" and does not count the milage. I am not sure how easily the sensor can be attaced and detached, but this could become a subject when buying a used bike (?).
Sound is great/best when standing at the red light and playing with the throttle. A bit of a sewing machine when driving, but still nice.
Build-quality exceeds Chinese standard by far. Looks like its is assembled with dedication, if not with love (that's what I would expect from an Italian mechanic :-). Nearly all screws hexagon sockets, important screws with position marker. Paintwork without flaw. If I would see this bike in a bike shop in Italy, it would not come to my mind that is "MiC"--best I saw from Chinese bike production till today.
Delivery time (May 2012) is three month.
Thanks for the write-up Tom, this bike keeps on tempting with every report that comes back.
I wasn't super impressed with the exhaust noise either, though i only was allowed to rev it and not test ride it. It sounded a bit rattly. I still want one though...
Standing behind the bike when somebody plays with the throttle pushes the adrenalin--at least in my bloodstream :-) This sound I find great, exciting. Pure power, aggressive, razor-toothed. Cannot be compared with 1-cyl or 2-cyl sound--no way, that would be comparing apple and oranges. It is 4-cyl-16-valves!Quote:
Originally Posted by felix
However, it's a different story when riding the bike. But here the adrenalin should get it's push by the bike's performance :-)
It's a street fighter! Sorry when I get bit excited, but for China, this bike rocks!
Hi guys,
Found this article from mid'11 about Qianjiang's purchase of Benelli with statements from Qianjiang Motorcycle director of sales, executive vice general manager Lin Xiaorong:
http://news.xinmin.cn/rollnews/2011/07/06/11317409.html
Following sections I find interesting (the article is longer); google translation, so enjoy the poetry :)
On the development strategy of Qianjiang, Qianjiang Motorcycle director of sales, executive vice general manager Lin Xiaorong, Qianjiang and Benelli, can be roughly divided into three phases. The first stage is the technology integration phase, which is also the current stage, from small displacement technology to a large displacement from design to manufacturing capacity, the future is still some way to go. The second stage is the brand part of the fusion part of the independent, such as the 2010 Benelli brand of large displacement and small displacement products line mode of operation separately. The third stage is the stage of full integration, Benelli technology, brand culture and Qianjiang local brand culture is full integration, to enhance the the Qianjiang brand force and technical power, and be able to both positive and joint venture brands compete.
It is based on the clear positioning of the company for six years, the the Qianjiang factories and Italian Benelli factory devote themselves to the product well, master the forefront of high-end technology, more comfortable driving experience and passion to the global user to provide better services for users worldwide. "This is the Qianjiang acquisition of Benelli's original intention, Qianjiang, including the consensus of the overseas factories," said Lin Xiaorong, six years, Qianjiang fully absorbed Italian brand for a century Benelli leading technology and manufacturing technology, has been sufficient technology and models of reserve, in order to respond to future market competition as the driving technology, personalized, brand, Qianjiang accelerate the speed and intensity of the new listing, the next few years to gradually fully replace the old product, then, Qianjiang the system will move to a newer height.
The same time, the Benelli join Qianjiang even more powerful in brand development.Qianjiang, since acquisition Benelli, Benelli brand only as the Qianjiang a child brand in the operation, company executives also have very clear positioning displacement: 600CC above, all produced by the Italian Benelli, because She has a support system and production system, as well as local skilled assembly personnel and technical reserves; 600CC following domestic and Qianjiang assembly of production, which also benefited from nearly six years Qianjiang technology to the Benelli absorption and innovation.
A few years later, the world's top motorcycle brand name Benelli finally no longer is the basis for a Qianjiang Motor to show off the decorations will soon mass production real benefits on behalf of the Qianjiang Motorcycle officially enter the high-end motorcycle market, motorcycles and motorcycle fans "dream lover" and the luxury of the rich to show off the goods and collectibles from the means of transport development. Qianjiang "marketing" strategy, the perfect fusion of Qianjiang and Benelli, is bound to the Chinese motorcycle market caused a big stir.
Maybe I'm new to 4 cylinder bike, but one fact puts me down.
Some user reported that at city traffic the bike burns 6.5 liter of petrol for every hundred KM. It wouldn't be nice if you were aware the bike need as much amount of petrol as small family car for same distance.
I need a much more energy efficient bike for daily work surely.
6.5 liters per 100 km??? And that's a mid-capacity fuel-injected inline four? How's that possible? Did they under-engineer it on purpose? Could that just be a rumor?Quote:
Originally Posted by td_ref
6.4 for every 100km or 36.7mpg that is what the R6 Yamaha engine is rated at.
http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/Motor...ide/Yamaha.htm
Bet R6 has 2 times more HP and 3 times more torque than QianJiang-Benelli does.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
The engine looks closes to the early R6.…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_YZF-R6
The BJ600 does have 25% less horse power then the early R6 and the same fuel economy that the R6 had then.
The new R6 has 35% more power and better fuel economy, that just demonstrates that any future BJ600 has the same development potential.
QJ is government owned and they will not likely give up, but at some point they might get privatized? However in the position they are in today and considering the market for motorcycles in China they are not worth much yet. However they are on a good path, they are offering more and of better quality, but not to the level of the major manufactures yet.
Look at the prices on the R6 offered in the US….
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/pr...8/0/specs.aspx
Should not take too much imagination to see their target market.
If they do privatize then they should sell shares to the workers, that would be their ideal route to a free market.
The engine does look the same. Hope they go all the way Yamaha did :)
For now, though, I think they won't be diversifying their product line just because street bikes are easier to sell. Also because they have to build up a brand name first and then probably venture into different markets.
IMHO, they'll keep on with this street fighter bike for the next 3 years or so and then launch something more sportbike-like.
Some more pics
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Guess you like this one :eekers::eek2:
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bikepost.ruQuote:
Originally Posted by tomtom
so in Soviet Russia they're QianJiang-branded. Not Benelli. Wonder why.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve_Halt
Sport bikes in general are on their return, and customers are shifting to streetfighter and big trailies.
QJ might be on the right track for the future, and not consider a sportbike at all in any more.
PS. Sold my Suzuki today, 1/2 way to the purchase of a Benelli :)
These bikes go on Taobao for 39000 delivered to the shop for you. I'm not sure exactly how the warranty functions in this scenario but it might be another option to explore. Very curious to see what kinds of modifications might be possible with one of these, especially as concerns the exhaust and ECU.
could i ask what the selotape on the swingarm is for?
Safety precaution, the welders are still in their learning stage :)
Hi Kennon,Quote:
Originally Posted by Kennon
The dealer taped the speed sensor to the swing arm--read my test ride report for more details.
Cheers, Tomtom
I wonder too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve_Halt
Maybe the rights on the name are limited ???:chinese::pirate3:
Yeah, must be copyright issues. I bet Benelli sells better than QJ in any region, China included.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomtom