JH600 sidecar owned by a MCM member out at the HQP Roadhouse last Sunday.....
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JH600 sidecar owned by a MCM member out at the HQP Roadhouse last Sunday.....
Does it come with a fridge as well?
Attention MCM,
This bike was just STOLEN!!!! from my complex in Mandrine City in Gubei. It s battery is broken so the bike is not running... Please call me or the local police if spotted:
Vin: LAAABMUH2A0010175
Engine: 10A117847
鄂M3D515
It no longer has the over cover on the sidecar. Look for the winch and acerbis hand guards and fork guards. There is only one other 3 wheeler with a winch so please check the vin and engine number!
Please lock up your bikes... Now!
It saw stolen i belive in broad daylight and I have Bao An and CCTV. The bike had to be either pushed out if the complex or put in a truck. The Bao An post is no more then Five meters from the bikes last location. Of course no one saw or heard anything!!!!
Thx
Winston
Winston, seriously bummd to read of this! Will keep my eyes and ears "open" and will make a few enquiries tomorrow, with a couple of friends of friends who have many connections into all things motorcycling in China. One never knows. Meanwhile no video/CCTV footage I guess???
I am very, very sorry to hear about your misfortune. It is unlikely that it will be chopped & parted (aside from the winch), so it may have been a "special order." It is likely to have left the SH area, although maybe not ... crooks are typically not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
You may want to check the classifieds ads in other cities (maybe do a daily search on Baidu) - I will keep an eye out in the Beijing area (and ask around), as well as keep an eye on the classified ads around here. If you know someone in Tianjin you might want to ask them to check the Tonggu district market, as it seems many stolen bikes end up there (well, a lot of the stolen Beijing bikes are sold through it).
Aside from the winch & fork guards & acerbis (and serial numbers), anything else that is unique? For example, a prominent scratch or dent?
Again, very sorry to hear about this.
bastards, emailed all my contacts with details and pictures, hope you get the beast back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shanghaifingers
Sorry Mate! With the others here in keeping an eye out.
This won't bring your ride back, but nonetheless it's good to recall Dante's Eighth Circle:
Eighth Circle (Fraud)
The last two circles of Hell punish sins that involve conscious fraud or treachery. These circles can be reached only by descending a vast cliff, which Dante and Virgil do on the back of Geryon, a winged monster traditionally represented as having three heads or three conjoined bodies.
Bolgia 7: Two cantos are devoted to the thieves. They are guarded by the centaur Cacus, who has a fire-breathing dragon on his shoulders and snakes covering his equine back (in Roman mythology, Cacus was not a centaur but a monstrous fire-breathing giant slain by Heracles). The thieves are pursued and bitten by snakes and lizards. The full horror of the thieves' punishment is revealed gradually: just as they stole other people's substance in life, their very identity becomes subject to theft here, and the snake bites make them undergo various transformations. Vanni Fucci is turned to ashes and resurrected. Agnello is blended with the six-legged reptile that is Cianfa. Buoso exchanges shapes with the four-legged Francesco: "The soul that had become an animal, / now hissing, hurried off along the valley; / the other one, behind him, speaks and spits" (Cantos XXIV and XXV).
Sorry to hear about ur bad luck. Sounds like an inside job to me.
How come this thread is dead? Will the JH600B ever be sold in the USA?
Does China not sell insurance for vehicles? Was this not insured.....it looks new?
Insurance is compulsory, for any vehicle with road plates and registered for road use etc. but the insurance is a Chinese version of third party. Gettting fire, theft or compulsory insurance is near on impossible in China... especially for motorcycles. Some brands e.g. BMW Motorrad, HD etc., have managed to put together a deal for their buyers/owners. But for the masses, one is on ones own.
fiddydude, you should spend some time reading the various threads to get acquainted with the status of motorcycles and motorcycling in this part of the world - if you haven't already.
that really sucks and I hope the best for the owner.....I have been reading quite a bit but honestly find many confusing and often conflicting accounts. Especially re. the CJ750's I was interested in. some folks are legally plated , some have fake plates....some apparently don't know the difference...I can see where insurance co.s would steer away but with this new JH600B seemingly the pride of the China fleet (according to the co. website) one would hope proud new owners could insure their bikes. Back to the CJ's , I was just informed that they are basically all illegal as the GVT only issues legal registrations for bikes for 9-11 years from new....which would exclude CJ.s. Quite confusing indeed.
The situation with the Chiang Jiangs is pretty simple, none can be licensed to a foreigner in a foreigners name even in those jurisdictions where registering vehicles into a foreigners name is the norm (as it is here, but not in supposedly first tier cities like Shanghai). My advice, is steer well away from a CJ750 for use in PRC. Aside from the BS with legality, they are as unreliable as heck...
The JH600B sidecars are legal, and can be plated and consequently insured in those jurisdictions where such bikes are not banned. Remember that there are something like >100 cities in China that ban motorcycles from their respective CBD/downtown areas. In these instances, one cannot usually get a plate for a bike for these areas, they just are simply not issued. Some of these cities also don't even offer one the option of obtaining a motorcycle riders licence.
Insurance is compulsory, it's a form of third party, and becomes increasingly more expensive when it comes to a motorcycle engine displacement >250cc.
Comprehensive insurance as you may understand it, is not usually offered for motorcycles, even if you were to go into a local PanAn <insert insurance company here> and ask for it. Just the way it is.
I did registrar a CJ with a Jing A plate.. sold it last year....
Could someone telll me the price of a JH600B on the road in rural china? ty
I checked Jialing online and also Taobao , pricing would likely be around CNY50K give or take, depending on how you sourced and where you plated the outfit. You can simply place an order direct with Jialing via their website though you might need to have a local help you if your Madarin skills are not up to the task. Jialing manufacture the JH600's to order, and by all accounts takes around 1 month from the full payment being made. One can either travel to Chongqing to the Jialing factory to take delivery or else arrange with the factory to have the outfit delivered within PRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by fiddyduke
yesterday I learned, 48.000 Yuan, +, +, + in Shanghai
Thanks guys ..that may be the route i take.....but stilll like the old CJ's.....and don't actually mind maintenance.....just finding a legal one that they don't want 30,000 for
Thanks guys, i may take that route but still like the old CJ's and don't mind maintenance....just want to find a legal one hat isn't overpriced and overrestored
Hi,Quote:
Originally Posted by fiddyduke
I recently bought 7 new Jialings of which 3 sidecars. The new price depends on the color standard green goes for 47800, Black 48800, Camo/Sand/White(police) go for 49800.
With Tax and registration (Yunnan plates) came down to 55.000 all in.
If you wonder what i'm doing with these bikes.
Just started a Motorcycle Touring Company in Southeast Asia
www.corneradventures.com
Changs in Europe are actually cheaper than in China, reason parts are difficult and hourly wage is killing since these bikes need allot of attention. All Jialing's JH600 are EU approved, in case you ever want to take the bike back to your home country. jialing also has several dealerships in Europe: Netherlands, Germany, Belgium.Quote:
Originally Posted by fiddyduke
more info about Jialing's in Europe www.motorwerk.nl
Tried to make a reservation on your website and got page not found?Quote:
Originally Posted by willem
Do the Changs required as much maintenance as a newer Ural? Do bad they are not EPA/DOT approved for USA import.Quote:
Originally Posted by willem
Can anyone comment from personal experience on the reliability of JH600B-A? What year did they switch to making these as A models?
I cannot tell you when they changed to making the A model, but I can comment on the reliability as I have had one since October 2012 and have done a couple of big trips in Western China on one (6000kms and 3500kms respectively). In short the engine is good (it was designed by an Austrian offshoot of Bosh for Jialing about 15-16 years ago when China didn't have larger bore motorbike engine technology if my understanding is correct). The bike is relatively well assembled and on the whole being a supposed military bike has been designed with reliability in mind but there are some severe flaws with certain areas:Quote:
Originally Posted by gt7599a
1) The sidecar wheel turning system and it's alignment are a total bunch of fucking arse :confused1:. Both big trips and on a few shorter journeys the cable has stretched that attaches the head steering column (handlebars) to the turning column that in turn attaches to a shaft that then steers the sidecar wheel in the same direction as the handlebars. When this happens the alignment of the sidecar wheel gets out and when riding you have to fight the constant pull of the sidecar in a different direction than you want to ride, which after a few hours in the saddle tends to put a lot of pressure on your back and shoulders and has gone so far as to totally screw my back on one occasion. Now you maybe asking why don't you just realign it before carrying on, and that brings about the next issue the realignment is the most disingenuous ballache of a system to sort out even when you are in a workshop and have taken the sidecar completely off let alone on the side of the road in the dark. It is possible but it requires an enormous amount of patience as the 4 bolts that manoeuvre the position of the steering cable are nigh on impossible to get to with a spanner and when you can they can only be turned about 1/20th of a turn at a time as this area of the bike has a lot of permanent subframe getting in the way. In short it is an absolute cunt of a job! However, I should add that this problem probably won't come about if you are on roads all the time - it was only really on hard off-road where the alignment is pulled out. Sand for example did a fine job of screwing it!
2) The paint job is shite. I went for the black model and they had very very badly spray painted over the army green so that within the first trip the entire frame and other non plastic areas turned from black to green. So if you are going to buy then the army green is probably the safest bet - tho they do now do it in a Hello Kitty pink which would be very fetching! Ha
3) The spoked wheels from the factory are very badly built. Basically not one drop of threadlock was used on the spoke nipples when building the wheels, which means after a long haul on tough ground these get loose and I have actually had 3 entire wheel collapses (all rear wheel). Bearing in mind this is a very heavily loaded bike with camping gear and 2 people there is a lot of weight on that rear wheel, but still shouldn't mean the bloody things collapse no matter how rough the terrain is. Luckily every time I've had the spare to change out, but it was very very close to call on the last trip when the we'd had one semi collapse, I'd retightened it as best I could by hand and then put it as the spare, then the one I changed in collapsed fully and I had to use the repaired one to limp the next 100kms to a town where we found a Michelin Tyre place open at 11 at night who were absolute heros and worked on thru till 1:30 in the morning to get one wheel fully fixed using the remaining functional spokes from the two fucked wheels. A very close call! Since then I have had the wheels rebuilt with Loctite and a torque wrench and then balanced. I'm yet to really test if that is gonna make the difference as no big trips or bad terrain since then.
4) The clutch is not the best. I have had two fairly hairy moments both at +4000m and both on steep ground and fully loaded also, but the clutch began to overheat and slip heavily. First time it had nothing left at all and no power was going to the rear wheel whatsoever. Had to tighten it up and wait an hour for it to cool off. Both times once off the steep ground it sorted itself out luckily, but I think when it overheats it creates a super smooth layer on the friction plates and they just slip more and more freely. Interestingly when I came back and opened up the clutch the plates didn't actually show much sign of wear. I'm assuming these are bespoke to Jialing but I'd like to research whether it would be possible to get some from elsewhere with higher quality ceramic friction materials. Likely a pipedream though!
5) I've now had the frame crack in two places. One underneath the headlight and dash mount which seems strange as this really isn't holding much weight. And the other underneath the backbox I have, which admittedly I had probably far exceeded the suggested limit of weight to put on the back (tho I'm not sure Jialing even specify this).
6) Others. The general quality of bits and bobs is a long way from it's Japanese and European counterparts (not that it really has any counterparts). The plastics are not great; the welding of the frame is shoddy in areas, the stock chain broke on me; the wiring loom is not well shielded; all plated areas are showing corrosion - some worse than others; and there is a bit too much squeaking & rattling in general.
This all sounds very negative, but I must add I have had an enormous amount of fun on this bike and hopefully lots more to come. It needs TLC if you take it to the terrain it's supposedly designed for, probably a little too much, but then both the big trips I have done I have absolutely thrashed the tits off the bike on some of the worst terrain and highest altitudes I have ever ridden, which is gonna give any bike a run in. If you want a sidecar to tour on that is A LOT more trustworthy than a ChangJiang; that can take 2-up plus loads of camping gear; spare fuel; food for a week and still take on brutal terrain and up decent inclines then I don't believe that there is a better off-the-shelf sidecar outfit for the job (queue other user disagreements...).
Yes lots of improvements could be made but this is all part of riding a China Moto! :thumbsup:
(I'll add some photos of the various issues I have had later, now on the train using 3G)
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Originally Posted by tombaxers
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Rear wheel collapse Golden Week 2012 - Qinghai province, looong day, cold as fuck, not ideal! Thank the old gods and the new I had a jack with me.
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Day after the rear wheel collapse - notice the lack of spokes on the spare wheel.
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Heroes at random Michelin place sorting another rear wheel collapse Golden Week 2014 - Yunnan
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Good paint job.
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Good stitching job on passenger seat. This was like this almost out of the factory.
Attachment 17282Quote:
Originally Posted by tombaxers
Shoddy plastics - broken mount for front faring not hit simply rattled apart.
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Cable harness casing cracking in multiple places.
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Corrosion on rear seat peg mount.
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That paint job.
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Corrosion on muffler housing.
Attachment 17287Quote:
Originally Posted by tombaxers
More sexy paintwork.
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Corrosion on front searing yoke.
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More broken plastic mounts.
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Corrosion on exhaust mounts.
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Top view of the mutha of all stearing alignment area.
Attachment 17292Quote:
Originally Posted by tombaxers
Side view of the sidecar steering alignment mechanism!
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Cracked rear mudguard - admittedly this is probably from bottoming out on awful terrain but well it still broke!
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New to stripped in ~3000kms - the Kenda tyre compound could certainly be improved upon.
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Hello Kitty Pink! Mmm sexy!
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Cracked front mount for dash & headlights.
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Originally Posted by tombaxers
The cracked dash + headlight mount.
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The pikey fixed dash + headlight mount.
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Old & New Rear mudguards.
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Cracked rear frame by the mounts for the rear pillion grip. Almost certainly caused by backbox over load. Still not an ideal design. as thin unsupported frame area.
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Cracked rear frame ready for pikey welding.