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Dear Brad,
Welcome to MyChinaMoto, and congratulations on your new bike. Are you saying that the 650NK comes with some kind of performance retarder when sold in Australia? Why? Under what circumstances? Is it not possible to just disable the retarder? Or am I being naive?
I'm sure we can find folks in China to help if you need replacement parts to get it up to full performance.
good luck, and keep us posted.
Euphonius
For some reasons, in Australia both 650NK and TR have been released in LAMS (Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme) model only, generally those models are being provided to motorbike schools or novices as they are less powerful.
In France for instance, motorbikes are limited to 106HP max and 40hp for novices (less than 2 years of driving experience), upper than that and you'll get fucked by your insurance if implicate in an accident.
There's ways to soup the engine up back to its original characteristic though, but it depends the model of ur ride.
Limitations are being putted through several ways but the most common one are:
- electronically, in most of the cases u just need to cut a cable located at the electronic module
- a block/wedge quite noticeable as it’s located near the throttle grip, can be easily removed with the right tool
- the pipe, simply change the exhaust.
Unleash that lady !!!. :scooter:
Now that's nanny state behavior!
Thanks Guys for your response'sQuote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
Thanks Topmada for your input it didnt occur to me that it could be done simply by restricting airflow others have suggested that it could be in the EFI which could made derestricting tricky and expensive. Have allready looked at putting a knew pipe on will cost $450 will let you guys know how that works out. On another note how's everyones bikes going, I just clocked up 2000km and shes still sweet as a nut!
Dead Thread Revival
OK, so I've been riding my CFMoto 650 NK daily for a bit under a year. As you might know it's my daily bike which I use for home - work commute and an occasional ride out. Anyways, I went to 曹记车行 (the dealer I bought it from) form my regular maintenance.
Point to make: their QoS increased like a hundred thousand times. Probably it was bikerdoc's influence or CFMoto's Quality Controlor some other magic, but:
1. Staff wears CFMoto uniforms.
2. The boss jots down what I want to be done and checks the process.
3. The guys get trained.
4. They smile and say "Thank you" and tell you the exact time when your bike can get picked up.
5. They make sure that things work after they replace / install them.
6. They wash bikes after service.
Well, generally it's all about the attitude and I'm glad to see that the attitude of that bike shop gets customer-focused.
Anyway, stuff done: changed oil, oil filter, air filter, coolant, checked brake pads (no need for replacement) checked sprockets (all good), oiled chain. And yes, they washed my bike afterwards. I was happy to pay 200 yuan for it all and pick my bike at exactly the time they said I could.
Pics follow:
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On a side note: I have a friend here in Nanjing, who has been riding his black CFMoto 650 NK for about a year now. He's willing to sell it because quote: "The bike's boring. Nothing happens to it. Nothing. I start it - it starts. I turn the light on - it's on. I brake - it brakes. Nothing fails, nothing breaks down. It gives me no drama".
Well, to each his own,. I guess.
Cheers!
Wow Steve thats great service! Just had mine serviced here in oz and while the service was OK( I only say OK cause the mec didnt tighten the coolent hose properly and i copt a blast of hot coolant down my leg) But the major difference is the price, just did a convertion and your was a quarter the price of mine! Not too supprised everthing is expensive here in Oz. I think your Chinese boys could teach the Oz boys a lessen or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve_Halt
CFMOTO Brad, I think the fact that the bike's Chinese and is serviced in China accounts for a low service price. As for the service itself - yeah, the guys here have gone a really long way. Or maybe they were just putting on a show for a foreigner :) Anyways, I was pleasantly surprised.
Are you put and radiator protector or painted to black, Steve?
No nothing - the bike is completely stock. The only thing I put on it is saddle bags. Nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by grb
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Since a coup of days my 650NK was leaking coolant liquid from here (see the pictures). Any help for solve this?...
Applying some "gasket marker"?
I'd talk to the dealer first - odds are your bike is still on the warranty and they'll fix it. If not, I'd remove the side fairings, disassemble the cooling system hoses and reinstall them with fresh sealant and clamps.
Hey Steve! A friend and I just bought 650nk's down in shanghai. Pics of our rides and our first trip out of town coming up soon. Where did you get the saddle bags? Are you happy with them?
Hey Grb, Yeah same happend to mine I think its just a bad fit around the hose try some gasket glue and a better clamp. I had some oil sweat around the filter too needed a a tighten, but all-in-all nothin major had Hondas do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by grb
I got my bags off taobao (http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=...id=13007990569) the brand is MotoFizz - can't say I'm very happy with them:Quote:
Originally Posted by themicah
a) Price - they ran me over 900 yuan with delivery.
b) Fit - the bags are obviously not for this particular bike, so after fitting them you'll see they kinda push your blinkers back - nothing major, but looks ugly.
c) Bought the same bags for my wife's bike from the same shop @ the same price - hers got torn up in a week and aren't waterproof at all and her straps were all stitched up in a wrong way,so she had to cut them up and re-sew them just to make them be properly adjustable.
Good points:
a) Relatively easy to install on pretty much any bike.
b) I've had them for over a year now - zippers, lining no problems.
c) Pretty easy to remove and take away with you - don't know if it's a plus, though. I guess Shanghai thieves might be interested in that feature as well.
d) Capacity - I got my rain gear (jacket + pants), boots, gloves, a small set of wrenches and a U-lock in them and I still got lots of space. Once needed to take 50+ books from home to school library - they fit. And I can strap any bag (plastic or otherwise) over, which increases the capacity like tenfold.
Thanks for the honest feedback! I think I'm looking for something a little more robust, since I live in shanghai and most of my rides will be a bit longer. Every set of saddle bags I've read about seem to have the same issues with this bike, or worse. I know it's not a touring machine, but if anyone knows of some good bags that have about 20 or 30 liters capacity and don't drag on the rear wheel, please let me know!
Dear Micah,Quote:
Originally Posted by themicah
Here's a rack for the 650NK for 600 rmb that could get you started. Panniers are extra.
cheers
euphonius
http://img02.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/...!!58290545.jpg
Try checking any hoses around the location to see if any may have worked loose. Also check if any clamps have worked loose with vibration ot if any have split. There might also be an overflow hose/tube located there someplace, so worth traking the time to cjeck things yourself looking for an easy fix. Anything more than that I'd be calling on the dealer to claim under warranty...Quote:
Originally Posted by CFMOTO Brad
[QUOTE=Steve_Halt;58387]I got my bags off taobao (http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=...id=13007990569) the brand is MotoFizz - can't say I'm very happy with them...QUOTE]
Steve those same bags, a couple of riding mates each bought a pair to throw over the rear saddles of their respective Dragstars. I seem to recall they only paid about 元300 / pair. The bags seemed to have lasted almost one riding season, and both riders were fairly happy with them given the price they paid. Basically the bags are like temporary throw aways. One of the guys bought another set for th next riding season. I went full Monty with my Dragstar 1100 and imported a set of OEM leather bags from the USA (amongst loads of other OEM Star accessories).
My mates bags are long gone, my bags still hanging off the side of my Dragstar.
I've seen a number of hard cases with luggage racks advertised on Taobao. Here's a few taste testers...
Givi bags 元1680-2288
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=...id=14693704189
Givi screen 元880
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=...id=22327980491
Tourfella 元800
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=...id=18262097514
This might be of interest, it's advertising a Yoshimura pipe, but depicts a bike with hard plastic cases similar style as found on cop bikes...
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=...id=16186691391
Givi combo material bags 元1680
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=...id=25001448417
Menat soft bags 元450
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=...id=18228053556
bikerdoc, thanks for the links, they are attractive!!! So 900 yuan sounds like I got ripped. Again... Damn... Well the good thing is those bags lasted me a season, now going on the second one and seem to be going alright. Will see how long they last and then get some other stuff.
themicah, euphonius's suggestion is very good I think. And yes, my bags are definitely not the touring ones - they are more like go-around-the-city stuff.
I fit the clamp around the hose, but the fluid loss is in the botton, see the picture.Attachment 12157Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerdoc
So I went right over my bike today had a couple of isues and alot of them had to do with loose bolts, got talking to some mates and they said that most new bikes they've had needed a go over too as the bike was 'factory tightened'. Anyway if it's not that you're gonna hafta take of that water pump cover and use a product called 'form a seal' Cheap works great just clean away any excess cause once it drys its never coming off.Quote:
Originally Posted by grb
Hey Themicah, how much did you pay your plates and are they 沪A license plates?Quote:
Originally Posted by themicah
Hey! I got the 沪C plates for 15k. That's more than enough, they are legal and you have to be mental to want to drive much downtown anyway. Maybe mental enough to pay 130k for 沪A! The bridges and pu-jersey are fun, but with c plates you're alright as long as you don't stop near a cop. It is tricky because you have to live in certain districts of shanghai to get them, but Jeff at Mingfan Moto helped us out.
CF Moto NO DRAMAs
Regarding this:
" I have a friend here in Nanjing, who has been riding his black CFMoto 650 NK for about a year now. He's willing to sell it because quote: "The bike's boring. Nothing happens to it. Nothing. I start it - it starts. I turn the light on - it's on. I brake - it brakes. Nothing fails, nothing breaks down. It gives me no drama".
Is your friend an Italian? Is his first name Valentino?
I see New Zealand magazine Kiwi Rider has tested the 650TR and seems quite impressed. They make a good point about the bike being without any competition (as a light weight, mid-displacement touring bike with panniers as standard equipment).
Here's a link: http://www.kiwiridernews.com/2013/05...w-zealand.html
It seems as if one Chinese company has finally come up with a decent export model for, shall we say, 'western' tastes. I know China exports a lot of bikes into South East Asia, South America and the Middle East, but most of them are small displacement 150-200cc air-cooled singles.
And as Jialing has made no move to export the 600 single to our neck of the woods, the CF Moto 650 has gained a bit of attention. The fact is, the performance is virtually identical to a Kawasaki 650 or Suzuki 650 twin and some people in England have been racing them. At the same time, the engine is happy to run at the road speed limit without that 'straining at the leash' feeling you get from modern sports bikes (which should really only be ridden on a race track).
Having ridden around 20,000 km in China on 125 two-strokes and 150/200 four-strokes, I wonder how many places you can get close to exploring the CF Moto 650's performance envelope in the People's Republic. We saw a couple of places in Yunnan where you could get up it, but everywhere else, forget it. However, if they make one with a 21-inch front (or even a 19-inch front) wheel, shed some weight and fit wider handlebars, it could be quite a good thing in China.
Regarding comments about vibration through the 'bars, no one here has noticed that. Do your domestic market models come with bar-end weights? These have been used for years to quell the buziness in handlebars, particularly on in-line fours, but they will also work on parallel twins.
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Dear Rewi,
Interesting riff on the CF650. You'll be interested to know that we've been hearing rumors for two years about a CFMoto dual sport built around this 650 twin, but to date they are just that -- rumors. Meanwhile, in the mid-displacement class the Jialing is still the best bang for your Chinabike buck for handling the extremely wide range of conditions that China throws at us. It goes pretty much anywhere, with little or no complaint.
cheers!
euphonius
HHmm there's a guy in my office building with a benelli 600 and 沪C plates, he already lost 6 points in less than a year as he was driving with his bike downtown. Basically 沪C plates allow you to drive in the countryside of Shanghai (I think it starts at Minghang district), but anything closer than that and you better count your points well.Quote:
Originally Posted by themicah
when I bought my 沪A plates it costs me 60K, it seems that the price will never stop to increase, so not the worst investment ever. Plus a lot of bikers just want to drive without the stress to look into mirrors all the time in case there's a police guy in the area...Anyway enjoy your 650NK, mine got 2000km and so far so good!
As for the risks of riding 沪C plates into downtown Shanghai, your mileage may vary. Milton's been commuting into Puxi daily on a 沪C for a couple of years and, well, knock on wood; he's had a very good run. It surely pays to be selective about the routes you take, and needless to say if you ride down a bike-unfriendly avenue like Changshou/Haining Lu, you are just asking to be stopped, fined and pointed.