I think the price would need to be closer to $2,000 USD, rather than $2,500 USD. If the sale price is $2,000 USD, the final price will approach $2,500 after shipping costs are added.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
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I think the price would need to be closer to $2,000 USD, rather than $2,500 USD. If the sale price is $2,000 USD, the final price will approach $2,500 after shipping costs are added.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
Spud
Zongshen has a 279cc that offers, they claim up to 20.5kw, however it and its 250cc sibling are far less in cost then the NC250 ZS177MM, the NC250 is rated at 19.5kw where as the other two engines ZS170MM-2,177MM-2 family are at 16.5 kw and up to 20.5kw.
here are the numbers and wholesale prices of the engines.
This Zongshen model sells in Argentina under the brand name Corven, there they come with an OHV engine, standard front forks and are offered as a Triax 250 R3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbd1JoYu6L8
22,290.00 ARS = 2,366.52 USD
Corven is also offering the RX3 as their Triax Touring and for over $6,000.00 USD.
Another nice engine they make is a bored and stroked version of the old two valve air cooled engine. 83 x 64.5 making it a nice torque engine and a simple swap. 350cc
http://cqskill.en.alibaba.com/produc...l_for_atv.html
The next bike we are likely to see out of zongshen is a 450cc version of the RX3?
The only model in production that uses the 450 is the M1NSK RX450
Thats a Yamaha engine, it is what is in the Raptor 350Quote:
Originally Posted by zhu
I was considering what CSC could do.
They should not import the copy of the the Honda Broz, simply because importing a copy will more then likely bring about a cease and desist letter from Honda. Importing copies of other manufactures is a violation of civil laws and you can be sued for doing so.
They may want to consider the M1NSK designs for importing. The RX250 and RX450, the TT is the wrong choice and goes in the wrong market direction, that being down market and it also is in violation of Honda design patents. Its a total loser it competes in the downmarket of cheap and cheaper, with little or no profit potential, small margins and then the potential to have to address Honda in court...not a good idea.
In that you go direct to Belarus and strike a deal through them to buy through them or in alignment with them out of Zongshen.
The best approach is that of working to establish purchasing alliances, M1NSK has strong ties to both Zongshen and Loncin. Theoretically a purchasing alliance could develop new models to bring to production through their OEM's. Adding others to the alliance would bring about larger orders and larger orders can control production, that being a new design would be embraced by any OEM if intents are there to purchase.
I doubt the image is right for the RX450 if you review with a RX250 the only thing that changes between the two images are the decals
I think you are right the M1NSK has images out there of it that look like it is a DOHC, but they might have switched to this engine, who know the marketing people have no regard for which image they use. Didn't we go through this before and determined it was a Beta engine they were purchasing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kennon
anyway the new engine is called a NC450 and looks identical to the NC250.
I think that all of the Zongshen water cooled engines on that site look like older SOHC KTM engines, not exact copies though, but allot of them look to have similarities to older KTM engines.
The Zongshen 450 design reminds me a little of the Yamaha XT660 in terms of head design. 450 on left and 250 on the right.
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Now to see this 450 in the Megelli would be nice, twin discs at the front, alloy swingarm and wider wheels would be a nice combo.
I see allot of similarities in the KTM and Zonghen engines, not identical however very similar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1DyBYHQnDE
Here is a video of a motorcycle sold in The Ukraine called a Falcon Speedfire 250, not all the speedfires sold have the water-cooled ZS170MM-2, the engine is not the NC250, it a different engine from Zongshen it is rated at 16kW the NC250 is rated at 19kW and is a ZS177MM, both have 4-valves however the NC250 is a six speed and the former a 5 speed. Some of the Speefires have a 223cc air cooled engine, other have this ZS170MM-2 type and is what this one has in this video.
They make them shiny :D
here is an ad for them
http://mototek.com.ua/product/view/24/572
1600 USD?
That AD is overrating the engine, not uncommon. The specs they published are for the 300cc.
they also can be found selling with a ZS166FMM, which is the 223cc engine.
Dunno, in my opinion it is a miracle how they can sell them with so low price.
even cheaper in RussiaQuote:
Originally Posted by moilami
http://moto-hit.ru/256/11755/
Typically the price goes up with the engine option, these bikes come with up to a 320cc twin sold as the Johnny Pag Falcon in the US and a RZ35R in Argentina, I am not seeing much differs in the components. The production costs are pretty low or as low as they can get when so many share the same component parts. In that it is the engine that adds costs, especially if it has EFI which the 320cc does.
I am most interested in budget engine these have that they rate at 21hp and also the 279cc version that Zongshen also manufactures. All these components are what can be called second generation universal parts, that are marginally better then what they replaced. Odd thing about the Chinese is that the common parts all move in synchronicity, the suppliers all make the same things. If they improve then all improve.
Interesting, very interesting and not at all bad concept. It seems that the quality goes up so gradually that we can't though talk about first or second wave of China Bikes as of yet. Or maybe we are living the first wave right now.
Here are the two engines, they call them the CBS250 and CBS300.
http://g01.s.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1qDGyG...Xq6xXFXXXo.jpg
They are showing up in the market, XGJAO has the CBS300 in its Yamaha knockoff. They call it a 300R. Really not that inexpensive.
17,800.00 CNY = 2,805.06 USD
"Zongshen Vita" 110
At first glance, we all would say - "one more Chinese "Wave-ish" bike", but "something is wrong" with the engine. Engine head is not standard clone of "Honda's" horizontal.
Anybody knows anything...?
Looks liquid cooled to me I know in the past few years there was a liquid cooled horizontal engine for a pitbike but was sold in such small numbers
It has fins only on one side, here is its data sheet.
Bigger image...
ZSE
There is no doubts - this is air cooled engine, but I mentioned this one because of motor head. This is new detail, and exactly this catch my eye. I would like to take a peek into this head.
Also, I see some alterations (comparing to standard "Honda" based "small bore" horizontals) on a left crankcase/cover, around electric starter, but it seem to me that they kept old "Honda's" valvetrain and oil pump drive with shaft protruded through crankcase. Plus, it looks that "Zong" moved clutch assembly from crankshaft to the mainshaft (which is great thing), but this we already seen on many "big bore" horizontals or even on Indian "Hero's" horizontals.
CSC is offering these at an introductory price, http://www.cscmotorcycles.com/CSC-TT-250-s/275.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by SpudRider
They do not have the specs correct on the engine, http://www.zse.cc/productsdetail.asp...ProductsID=416
They overstate hp and understate the torque?
For the asking price they should have used the CBB250 engine.
http://www.zse.cc/productsdetail.asp...ProductsID=378
The first time I looked at the TT250 I thought it had an OHC, but guess not. CSC does not have EPA approval on the TT250 yet, not to worry though the OHV 229cc engine has been brought over in allot of other models.
Its a nice dual sport and it is realatively cheap.
http://cdn3.volusion.com/qsgah.sptja...jpg?1449064607
Lowered price on the ZS250GS-3
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...Zongshen/2.jpg
15,300.00 CNY = 2,335.45 USD
There are a few other models that have that same Zongshen NC250 engine, these are also selling for 15800 RMB.
Zongshen has modularized the NC250 engine into three of it own branded models; the RX3 and the Z250GS-3, 3A (Thunder and Lighting)
The modularization expands into other manufactures, the engine as a standard component part of these. They all share the NC250 with Delphi EFI.
Fekon FK250-A
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...EKON/FK250.jpg
BENDA BD250GS
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...DA/BD250GS.png
Any of these for about $2,500.00 is a bargain, if the manufactures can makes a profit at these prices this is then the correct price point for the NC250 offerings. The best way to address any QC issues is a warranty. The best way to drive sales is registering sales and posting surveys of registered owners online with the sales numbers.
Zongshens new offerings will be first a 350cc version for the RX3, that will be followed by an RX5 that will have their NC450 single, then they intend to offer a 500cc twin version that will be their RX7.
Quite interesting bikes for China market, anyone know how reliable is the NC250 engine + Delphi injection??
Thanks!!
I own a CSC Cyclone RX3, the version of the Zongshen RX3 sold in the United States. I have ridden my Zongshen RX3 over 13,000 miles (21,000 kilometers). The NC250 engine and U.S. Delphi EFI are both very reliable. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by noze02
Thank you very much for your feedback, really appreciate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpudRider
Now I need to figure out which bike to buy (as in China there are several options with the same NC250 engine:icon10: