Hryvna is capsizing. Retail price is approx. 1300 euros ("Mototek" from Dneprpetrovsk - 33,595 hryvnas, "Prosto Velo Moto" Kiev - 1400 bucks, "Moto Hata" Kiev - 1420 bucks, "Moto Chopper" Hmel'nickii - in crate, 1385 bucks...)
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Hryvna is capsizing. Retail price is approx. 1300 euros ("Mototek" from Dneprpetrovsk - 33,595 hryvnas, "Prosto Velo Moto" Kiev - 1400 bucks, "Moto Hata" Kiev - 1420 bucks, "Moto Chopper" Hmel'nickii - in crate, 1385 bucks...)
so then these prices have not been updated to reflect the real prices?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorge
The prices on the site are they real at around 500.00 USD at wholesale?
With the currency worth so little I would not expect any new models to be imported it is not possible.
Obviously.
How likely is it that 250 cc "Loncin" costs, even at wholesale, about $ 500?
Although, in turbulent times for the economy, in the regions, for expressing prices, they often use so-called "conventional units" ("условная единица", abbreviated - У.Е, (latin script U.E.; upper or lower case - doesn't matter)), where 1 "unit" is 1 US dollar. In this manner, as a buyer, you will not be misled.
WOW those are bargain prices.
http://motohata.net.ua/
So can these be taken out of the Ukraine, not likely. I believe I can purchase in Poland and then register it into any other EU country, but the Ukraine no for sure.
No one in Ukraine will stop you to take with you goods you legally bought. At the very least - why would someone do that?
Problem can be in EU and their regulations, not only those certificates of conformity, homologations etc., but plain administrative restrictions.
We can ask "beniamin82" is it possible to buy bike in Poland, and then, get plates and ride it in, for example, in Germany. I would not be surprised that this is not possible, not to mention "Ukrainian connection".
I will check the issue with ukraine. I have workers from ukraine. I thought once to buy there a chineese bike. All i known now you musi Pay import custom (?), and if this model ia not eu certified you must certify it. It costs about 250$ in Poland. You can import one vehicle a year and certify it for privet use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorge
Within Europe you can buy a new or used bike wherever you will, and plate it in country where you live. For example you can buy an English car (where they are traveling on the left side of the road) and plate it in all EU countries even if you live in a country where you drive on the right side. .
There are no customs, you must just have the buy agreement in both languages.
I understand, but the Ukriane is not in the EU and not everything sold there meet emissions in the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by beniamin82
It may or may not and without a certificate from the manufacturer or it already being approved for the EU it would have to be inspected and AS for testing emissions it may not pass, its Chinese.
If have the time to rad... http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-conte...LEX:32002L0024
It is very complicated and not worth the work.
But the authorized unit for vehicle research for unitary release told me that they must just certify parts they are not certified yet in EU.
So i think that you can find all the parts from chineese bikes already in Europe. But as i say it is not worth the job to do.
If I buy a vehicle in another state I then get a transport tag, I use that to get it back to my home state and then register it, it gets titled in the state it is purchased and a temporary registration, then the title is transferred to the residence state.
In Poland is there a title process. What if you have a lien on a vehicle how is that recorded, here you only get the title when you own it outright, as in paid cash, if you borrowed to buy it then you get a memorandum title until the loan is paid in full.
Does Poland offer temporary registrations for transporting to another EU state, If I buy a EVO 300 Junak in Poland it has to conform to all EU standards. I do not live in Poland I do not need to register it there I do not have residency there. I only need registration to ride it and it gets registered later in another EU state that I have residency in.
The same would be true for the Ukraine, if the model sold in the Ukraine was an EU conforming model.
What matters is that the vehicle is on the EU list as conforming and that the country of purchase offers temporary registration. If they do not then it has to be shipped and then it is not worth it.
Taxes get paid on registration, I would think.
YESQuote:
Originally Posted by MJH
YESQuote:
Originally Posted by MJH
As an EU citizien YES, but as American i do not know. I must check (if you need it PM me i will do my best).Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
This is true, but if you will buy a bike which is not at the list in EU, you may have problem. I wonder how about for example ZIPP nitro 250. I found out that the same chineese bike is sold under M1nsk logo. Can I buy a new one there and register it in Poland?Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
A propos "Loncin Jedi" 250 aka. "Zipp Nitro", aka. "Minsk" C4: as I know, here you can import some new, never-seened-before bike for your personal use, and in that case, your bike do not need to pass any homologation, just technical inspection, the same as your bike going through every year. VAT and custom taxes, as expected, are mandatory. It is not impossible that the regulations are similar in Poland too.
Once, upon a time....far, far away when Poland was a free and independent country it was so easy as you write. Everyone could import one new vehicle a year and register it trough technical inspection site for personal use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorge
Now we are a "State" of the EU, and we have some stupid regulations. You can build a vehicle yourself but it must meet all conditions for the EU. You must certify it, the goverment decided that the certificate should not cost more that 40.000PLN.
Someone asked how much cost a certicate for a trailer without brake. And the price was 2500PLN. For this price you can buy a new trailer with homologation. It is a new situation, and now are only two organizations which can make this certification. So the prices are huge.
I must look how about a registered and used vehicle (more then 6.000km on).
Once upon a time still exists if the bike is over certain age, this is true in most countries it’s called a grandfather clause. For example I can import a 1960 BSA to the USA and could register it here with no problems. I can also send any USA registered bike to the UK that is over ten years old and register it there no problem.
I am a first generation Irish American, in that I have an EU passport. In that I can do whatever only requires an EU passport…in any EU country.
Erin Go Bragh! http://smileys.emoticonsonly.com/emo...chaun-1976.gif
Cute,
.25 Irish, .25 English (mother)
.25 German .25 Czech (father)
Which is a pretty typical Anglo.
At one time the US had favored nations for immigration, In the old days
MJH, you can buy a bike here in Poland (without VAT 23% cheaper) as an US citizen without problems.
The bike will be registered on temporary plates, and you can travel with across Europe.
But if you will do that, than better buy it in a little town, because only there you can plate it within a day.
In big cities you must wait sometimes a week to plate it.
I thought about that, I could get an ADV 150 and when done with it sell it and let the new owner sort it all out.
However here (USA) a temporary tag is only good for 10 days though, how long would a temporary registration be good for from Poland?
I would want close to a month to ride around, from hostel to hostel.
This i must check. In German you can plate for 30days. Thats for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
Insurcance for German 30days Plate 75EUR, i buyed from them http://www.nesen24.com/Zollkennzeich...rung::203.html
The Polish law i will check, i never buyed a vehicle in Poland to take it away. I buyed three cars in germany instead ... :-)
I checked, it is for 30days too:
http://www.jastrzebie.pl/informator/...du-za-granice/
translate google:
https://translate.google.pl/translat...-text=&act=url
Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
If this shall be this year you may consider to visit one from our chineese meetings :)
http://www.klub-chinskich-motocykli....art=10#p110820
Cheaper than Romet ADV is oryginal Shineray:
http://otomoto.pl/shineray-xy-150-ja...-M4253667.html
http://otomoto.pl/shineray-xy-raty-n...-M4252682.html
You can consider to visit me at home. My wife will be delighted to speak with someone who speaks native English (She has a master degree in English).
I will be glad to help.
Thank you, probably not this year though.
This Loncin isn't too bad looking looks like a mix between a CBR 250R and a GSXR headlight. Loncin LX250GS-2A GP250 sadly it's air cooled motor was hoping for a nice liquid cooled unit
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Might look like a reliable, dependable, desirable Japanese MC, but that is about where the similarity will likely end IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kennon
"Loncin's" bike "cooked" by the Indian recipe ("Hero Splendor" or even TVS "Jive", "Bajaj" CT 100, "Honda Dream"...) - LX 110-20. But the name given to him, knocked me off my feet - it is "Pedestrian". I already imagine such dialog: "To ride THIS bike!?, No way! I would rather be pedestrian. :lol8:
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seems the Loncin CR9 will be available in Colombia soon re branded as AKT CR9 650
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So it seems and will sell for about 7k USD.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4261/...18210528_z.jpg
650 by mjhirz, on Flickr
I'm not sure - RC9... seems it's the LX650 or 650LX, basically utilising the BMW single cylinder Rotax engine? I thought that Loncin were restricted to only utilise the Rotax engine for domestic resale in Loncins own offerings?
Got a few photos of one local to me, but IMO seems not very popular model with local big bike enthusiasts..?
Yup the BMW 650 single that formerly was built by Rotax but as it's a BMW design they can choose who to produce it, I was under the assumption it could not be sold outside of China but who knows maybe there will be a new BMW engine so the older one can be sold elsewhere.
Loncin GP250 is being sold in the Ukraine for about $1,700.00
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4319/...9eb4a931_z.jpg
RST-250 by mjhirz, on Flickr
The Loncin GP250 has a 226cc single with an oil cooler, they rate it at 12.5Kw, it has EFI and a six speed transmission, the bike is for sale in China for 15,800 RMB.