Apologies for the photo orientation. For some reason when they all uploaded half of them that were portrait went to landscape and vice versa. Anyone know how to sort this out??
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Apologies for the photo orientation. For some reason when they all uploaded half of them that were portrait went to landscape and vice versa. Anyone know how to sort this out??
@Tom, thanks sharing.
You show picts of weak sports you had to repair later, would you recommend making any if those repairs preemptively?
Interesting... seems that there are some weak points in the JH600 frame/subframe etc. Wonder if any of these have been bought to Jailings attention and even if so, whether or not the company would do much about it?
I was tossing up on buying a JH600 more than once, but given a friends issues with the front end on his one here in Ningbo, I went with buying a GS for considerably more money than a Jialing.
The main factor for me I considered was 'the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts.'
As for the photos, check that you saved the photos first on your computer in the correct orientation. Meaning that you actually saved them, and not just relied on software to view them in the correct orientation - as this might not have saved them in the chosen orientation. Once you've checked that then you'll need to go back to the respective post and "EDIT" it - then select "GO ADVANCED", scroll down to the "MANAGE ATTACHMENTS" button then select all relevant photos in the next window and delete them. You'll need to go about reattaching whatever photos you want, and importantly editing the post etc.
Hope that helps.
Tom, a totally awesome review! Thanks.
I also had a JH600B (pre-A, hence had the EFI issue), but it was babied compared to what you did. I also owned a few CJ750s, including the POS BMW cponversion. You are correct that the JH600B is at least a million times more reliable than a CJ (Choinese Junk, as bikerdoc noted). I would buy another JH600B (the JH600B-A) if I was back in China.
I had heard about the black paint issue before, but your pics bring it to life.
You are spot on about the JH600B being the "best" in the market for a sidecar, warts and all. And yes, it is all part of the China experience. It is what it is.
Again, great stuff, thanks Tom. You've had a couple of great adventures with that bike!
Hard to say on this one.
For the mount under the backbox, yes I would say it would definitely be worth some reinforcements in this area. It is not an easy area to reinforce. You would need to make a bespoke plate that has holes for the bolts that hold the pillion grip in place and then weld this underneath to the main section of the frame, which would need preparing accordingly to take the weld. To be honest so far I have not done this as I haven't had time and it already required more of a disassembly than I wanted to endeavour that day, so instead I just got the section repaired and it is on my list to tackle at some point when i have time.
For the section at the front, I really don't understand this break. The weight it holds is really not that substantial (like I said literally just dash; headlight surround and a big bunch of the wiring loom) so I am not clear exactly what could have done this. I have a feeling it could have been a logistics company that may have done this not wear and tear. When I sent the bike from Shanghai to Chengdu I found the fuckers had dropped - what must have been - a fairly heavy crate right on top of the bike (which only had a wooden skeleton frame covering it). This had dented the fuel tank and smashed the windscreen. But if this were the case I did the entire of the last trip with that crack in situ which I also find hard to believe. Never will know, but either way not the strongest tubing in the world!
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Damage from the logistics company on arrival in Chengdu. Took about 3 hours to negotiate with them to pay 2000rmb for the damage, which actually only cost ~350. They also told their warehouse in Kunming to give us preferential pricing on the return journey, which meant we got the wooden crate (this time well built with full coverage) for free~ :thumbsup:
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Area around the back mount that needed fixing. You can't really see from this view but there is very little supporting that plate at the back so definitely scope to improve/ strengthen in due course!
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The repair!
Not sure whether these problems have been bought to the attention of JL. I know Euphonius tried to give them some feedback about the JH600 and even had a meeting with a bunch of JL guys who came to SH, but I gather it fell on deaf ears. I also heard that most of the sidecars that JL sell are to both the Chinese army and foreign militaries and the funny thing is that when the Chinese army send these back in for servicing the highest milage they have ever seen on any single clock was ~450kms. So the Chiense army really aren't using these for anything aside from displays by the sounds of things. Therefore it is probably that they have never really been put through their paces before. I offered to give a feedback to one of the JL sales guys when was looking to get a list of spare/ new parts off them but he simply wasn't interested. Seems any etiquette of continual improvement is not something they are akin with!
As for the photos, yep, thanks, I think it was Preview on my Mac that wasn't actually saving the orientation to the original file. Worked out now how to sort it. If I can be arsed I will go back and modify those that are incorrect above.
No problem at all, glad you appreciated the review.
Yep, definitely had a good few adventures. At some point I really need to get around to writing up those ride reports. They may come sometime when I get some free time on my hands, which is erm... not that often sadly!
Agree, thanks for sharing.
Own a B-A (green) myself, did not have that amount of problems. Maybe I drive more carefully, maybe I am just lucky :mwink:
However, it is fun driving!
Good enough for bad roads (try HW13 between Odomxai and Luang Prabang in Laos), but not for off-road use. And yes, clutch is a bit weak, factory even suggest to have spare with you on long trips, particularly when leaving China.
Interesting. So you spoke to the factory about this and they actually gave some feedback?
The last trip I went on I was carrying a spare set, but the thought of changing one out at altitude on an incline without the correct tools was not something I relished. I'd be interested to know if it is actually an operation you could pull off without the correct kit. I assume you need a bespoke tool/ tools. In fact the manual claims you need two or even three. If anyone has any experience changing one of these clutches out without these tools I'd be very keen to hear about it!
Also, looking at the manual it seems that if you do go ahead and change the clutch then you also need to replace a bunch of other small components (seals, gaskets, lock washers etc...)in the process. Might be something worth looking into before a big trip out of China!
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@Tombaxers you mentioned "can take two up & a ton of camping gear." Is it possible to have two adults ride the bike so a younger member of the family can ride the side car? I'm guessing this should be possible but figured I'd ask for confirmation. (Other's feedback also welcome)
Yeah, absolutely no problem. The pillion seat is decent and comfortable apparently, although maybe a little low. When I've had people on the bad there was a bit of helmet clash on occasion and that is I think it's on the low side so the pillions line of sight out front unless very tall is not gonna be the best.
Depending on how young/ light the member of your family is then you might wanna add some ballast in the bootbox to ensure there's no lift. Also you'd probably want to get a windscreen fitted as without it the sidecar feels very open and like riding a low-to-the-ground gocart where your not in control - maybe not everyone's cuppa tea!
Hope this helps.
Not sure if this link was posted already, however, the JH600 series sales guide (22MB):
http://www.motorwerk.nl/bigstuff/JH600-Sales-Guide.pdf
Enjoy :)
No JH600B owners around anymore?
Guess it will never make it to the USA?
My Ural.
Owners are still around, just not on the forum anymore as the one well known annoying troll wrecks the entire forum but the mods not getting over and done with it.
Imported five sidecars and a few spares last month into Thailand via a very helpful China contact.
APrider
Regardless of who is the troll and who is the bitch . How the fuck do sidecars get away with being road going vehicles and not having seatbelts. If a JH 600 chair or any other sidecar hits a solid object at 65km/hr . Everything and everyone continues forward at the same speed. Inertia is a bitch not a troll.
You can install a seat belt for the monkey as I did on both my Urals. There are pros and cons about using the seat belt in the side car.
My wife the monkey likes it so I installed it. No big deal.
I have a question about the JH600. Is it possible to fit a sidecar to the bike later? Can you buy the sidecar separately. Thinking on getting the JH600.. and after using it some time could convert to a sidecar in future. How possible is this?
(I'm in Shanghai) have a C1D license so...
It's possible to fit a sidecar (outfit) to the JH600 however it wouldn't be the same as the factory released version which has a reverse gear (different gearbox), and all the sidecar (chair) mounting brackets etc tied into the frame for example, whereas the standard two wheeler JH600 doesn't have these features nor a number of others. Just to clarify that previous statement, Jialing don't sell the chair separately, so you'd have to find a chair to fit. Also, the two models differ in a number of ways, that would make it a bit of challenge to fit a chair to the JH600 two wheeler so that it ended up being the same as the outfit released by Jialing factory.
Now having said that, it's pretty near on impossible to get the bike officially re-registered as a side car after the fact. Essentially mods in PRC are frowned upon. The vehicle has to conform to the documentation/certification supplied by the manufacturer.
It wasn't that long ago that one had to acquire pre-approval to change the paint colour on a vehicle, though some jurisdictions now allow one to paint first and apply for the change afterwards.