GAS GAS uses the NC250 in their EC Cami 250, but with a Dellorto Carburetor, its rated at 28hp in those.
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GAS GAS uses the NC250 in their EC Cami 250, but with a Dellorto Carburetor, its rated at 28hp in those.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...mi_250_002.jpg
The AJP PR5 also employs the Zongshen NC250 engine, with U.S. Delphi EFI.
http://www.ajpmotos.com/index.php/en...e/products/pr5
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UM Will be introducing three new models that utilize the ZS170MM-2 300cc
Renegade Classic
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Renegade Commando 300
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Renegade Sport S
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These new models for United Motors look to be manufactured in India, the engine is defiantly the Zongshen 279cc engine, however the bikes themselves are coming out of India. The suggested retail prices reflect that.
160,000.00 INR = 2,416.19 USD
UM is taking a page out of Harley Davidson's playbook with these, much like the HD Street a water cooled entry level cruisers also made in India. The difference is that these are only a 279cc single, the HD Street come in a V-Twin and in 500/750cc versions, they are both modern water cooled cruisers.
UM dealers in India
UM is partnering with Lohia motors and claim production capability of one hundred thousand units a year.
Zongshens administrations, is it worried about India, not likely as they are correlating there success with it. If you’re watching or betting on who will succeed in the Chinese Motorcycle Industry, then consider betting on Zongshen.
Couple of new offering from Zongshen
RX1, little brother for the RX3 come with either 150 or 200cc engines.
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ZII
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RZ3
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The RZ3 comes in three option levels and in five colors.
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Chengdu Zongshen dealer tells me there will be a 390 version of the Rx3 out in a few months. Rx4 I guess. A lot of the Rx3's hanging out at the dealership , the owners hanging out playing cards and yarning as riders do. All the bikes had done big trips and all showed signs of minor crashes. Lots of scuffs and scratches but didn't see any broken plastics which seems to indicate pretty tough bikes. Btw a new ECU is 500 rmb retail so for the anti Efi luddites just buy a spare and wrap it in bubble wrap.
Also btw the bike can only be registered in China with the 15" rear so of course the locals get a plate and then swap in the 17" wheel. Another example of spare parts cost is 45 rmb for the Perspex screen. So I bought one to put on my X2 lol.
Zongshen has its act together, by 2018 they will be much more recognized. They plan on offering their NC450 single in the RX and it may end up in the RZ too? They are developing twins and plans are for up to 850cc.
Their water-cooled PY200 has decent power output, it will likely show up in the ZII in addition to the RX1. They are not off on prices either, typically the Chinese get overly enthusiastic on prices.
This UM ad for their Renegade sport comes off like a spoof ad on SNL, not to difficult to image Will Ferrell in it. Some must believe that a rebellious spirit is something that you can buy like a can of chicken soup. The production value of the add is A+, the added narration is as cheesy as Velveeta.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVBoIhwq8Sk
It looks that for the time being this will be the UM model that will be made in India, they intend on exporting these. It does have the 279cc Zongshen engine…
It’s not that inexpensive for India, likely due to the importing of the engine from China.
He is an image of the Sports
149,000.00 INR = 2,249.62 USD
Here is an image of the UM Commando, these have the cover around the forks behind the headlamp exactly the same as a Harley Davidson Fat Boy, this version of the Renegade sells for more, then the others, not more then a Fat Boy though.
from
159,000.00 INR = 2,401.27 USD
to
163,000.00 INR = 2,461.68 USD
are there any second hand dealers in or around shanghai selling rx3s?
Zongshen is implementing a five-year plan:
The next new models will be the RX4 (450cc) in 2017 and also a RE3 (250cc), the RE are their Cruisers. HMMM me wonders if the RE3 will look much like the UM Renegades?
In 2018 forecasts is for a RX5 (400cc twin) with an RC/Z5 version as well as a RE5 version. That same year they intend to offer a new RA line, its first model will be a 250cc, the new RA line will be Retro street models.
2019 the intention is for larger displacement twins 600-800cc
2020 850-1200cc twins.
The 450cc single engine is already in production, it’s called the NC450. It is not clear if the 400cc twin is already in production yet, since Zongshen often tests its first releases through other manufactures. The First NC250 offering came to the market that way first appearing in the Megeli Brand, then in others like Jiajue before the release of the RX3. That is very shrewd it gives them a period of cost recovery before they utilize the engine in their own models. It is possible the 400cc twin may be the engine offered in the New Motrac 400, since the plan is for the 400cc twins to be offered in 2018 it is a likely probability that they are the source of the Motrac engine.
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There has been an update
May we live long and see those bigger displacements in production.
Although, I don't understand why "Zong" doesn't fit those new engines on their own bikes before they reach "Megelli" or "Jiajue".
I still remember those prototypes shown few year ago - one was silver naked bike and the other was full faired sportish bike, both with tush-warmer exhaust. Those could be interesting offerings.
Even I expect to live another five years, God willing.
They are an engine OEM, they sell the engines to others.
Bringing an engine to production cost money, allot of money, that cost gets recovered within each sale. If you made only one engine the entire cost of the one engine would include all the research and development costs, if you sell 10,000 engines each would include 1/10,000 of the costs. Research and development costs are recoverable, the more sold the faster the cost recovery.
Once the research and development costs are fully recovered, after that the engine costs less to produce. At that point if the product continues to sell and even better increases it sales each year then its costs to produce are lowest. It becomes a cash cow as it generates profits.
When they put the engine in their own models the results are lowered production costs and in that a much more profitable model and also since the engine has already been vetted that only feeds the sales.
If they only used the engine exclusively the costs would be higher, the units produced lower and the time to recover slower and the development of newer offerings slower as well. Since once the R&D is fully recovered that portion of the cost becomes revenue at each point of sale, much like equity as in positive equity from the investment once the principal is paid off.
They are on a straight track; the RX4 I suspect will be very popular. The question I have is about the RE3 also scheduled for release next year, will it be the same as what came to the market this year in India through UM as the Renegade 300, those have the 279cc single in them. They may have co-developed that model, which would be very smart.
here are the specs on the NC450, the engine that will power the RX4
Performance Parameter
Engine Mode ZS194MQ Engine Name NC450 Displacement 449cc Dimension(mm*mm*mm) 377*344*455 Net weight(kg) 37 Max power(km/r/min) 32/9000 Max Torque(N.m/r/min) 40/7000 Ignition method DC-CDI Lubrication method pressure and splash Starting method electric/kick Min.Fuel Consumption(g/kw.h) <=360 Bore and Stroke(mm*mm) 94.5*64 Compression Ratio 10.7:1 Clutch method Multi Disc Manual Wet Clutch Gearshift method Constant mesh,two stage transmission,6-speed gearshift Engine type water-cooled 4-stroke,4 valves overhead camshaft , with balance shaft
They have the RA line which is a small cruiser, not that dissimilar to the UM Renegades introduced in 2014. In 2018, not far off they intend on offering a 250cc version called the RA3, however they have not yet revealed any images of the RE3, which will be what they call a Retro line, the RE3 will get introduced next year.
I predict it will share the design elements with the UM…just a guess on my part
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Same Engine used in the SENKE 300, the Zongshen 279cc.
http://www.chinamotorworld.com/ke/at...1847_22826.jpg
same as in the C8 Jiajue, 300 version offered in SA by Puzey.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...tom-300-02.jpg
Heh, to sell some quantity of some basic CG/CB up to 1/4 of a liter or some horizontal engine is one thing, but to sell some big bore thumper or mid displacement twin is another thing. I mean, some small Chinese factory can easily make some small displacement bike, commuter, soft enduro, pit bike - whatever, but mid displacement bike is completely different (and higher) level. Bottom line - sale figures for those two... levels of will be vastly different.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
I agree, there are limits. The NC450 is for sale though just like the NC250 is, they also can work with others in development. They obviously were involved in developing the Megelli and managed to keep that quiet for quite a while and eventually ended up with some rights to it in the end.
I would say that some of the offerings that currently have the NC250 may be able to accommodate the NC450, however if there are shortcomings in the geometry of those, that will be more apparent with the more powerful engine.
We have seen some models offered with a 125cc-250cc, that can become 250-450cc in some models, the RX3 is considered heavy, with a 450cc that could get offset with additional power. The additional power only requires frame strength and increased braking. I bet that they engineer now knowing the limits and with known intentions, less after thoughts. They are maturing, they have focus and direction.
I suspect the 450cc is offered with the intention to displace the Asia Wing 450, the NC250 is already in that frame in allot of products if the cost of the NC450 is under the cost of the Asia Wing, it becomes more prevalent in the market.
The NC450 is forsale on taobao as an engine for 9999¥
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Two times the price of the NC250 and 100 less than what the LD450 single from Asia Wing retails at.
Zongshen has been pretty aggressive placing their motorcycles into existing distributors product lines. The RX3 is being offered everywhere. They can be pretty confident that a 450cc RX4 would be as popular, if not more so.
I wonder if their new RX1 is based on the Derbi Senda, similar.
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gal...0125.%2007.jpg
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Piaggio closed the Derbi factory last year. I heard the production moved to Italy. However, a couple of the models are being sold in China under the Aprilia brand.
Zongshen is offering these in Chile...
http://www.motomania.cl/img_motos/ZONGSHEN/STORM.jpg
2,799,000 CLP =4,153.835USD
Back before these latest Zongshen projects they asked me to find them someone who could develop engines with them (not really my job but I thought I'd have a go) and I contacted Motrac who were unwilling to work with Zongshen, in fact the chap I spoke to was a real arrogant prick and I told him to piss off. Maybe things changed, I don't know I haven't spoken to Zongshen since I broke with C2W. I also put Zongshen together with Norton, there were advanced meetings on developing engines and models together but they broke down.
How's everyone? Spring is threatening to break here in Chongqing, the blossom is starting to bloom in the gardens and it's lovely.
It looks like Zongshen has caught up with the craze for small displacement classics.
Their entrance is with a model they call their Infinity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7sPa-xT16c
The bike is currently being offered in Thailand through Zongshen Ryuka
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...n/Infinity.jpg
Also their Z II will be offered in the UK through Sinnis as an RXS 125 EFI
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...ngshen/ZII.jpg
In addition the new Sinnis Terrain will be their version of the Zongshen RX1
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UM will also be offering models that are sourced out of Zongshen.
Two DSR II Adventure models, one with a Piaggio DOHC 125cc and the other with a 279cc (300) Zongshen engine.
125
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y.../UM125-640.jpg
300
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y.../UM300-640.jpg
In the US, I think Motrac has just released, or is about to release, their mini 125cc to compete in the ever more crowded mini segment (Grom, Z125). Months ago, they received certification, but had yet to release their bikes, but I have been seeing Motrac ads popping up on unrelated sites probably via cookies. Who do they work with for engines?Quote:
Originally Posted by englishman in china
Motrac is offering these through their website, they are not really inexpensive, they sell for around at least 3k.
The Kymco K-Pipe is now also in the market and they to me seem better then these, if a person wants a mini.