Soberpete's YBR 250

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Originally Posted by euphonius

Guess it depends on whether your buyer wants a plate or not.

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You're absolutely right Euphonius, this is the main question.
But if we're looking at the foreigners with bikes in China (the advertisement will be in expats websites), what is the percentage of them riding around with legal bikes/plates compared to the percentage of them without plates (or without legal plates I should say...) ? I think I would have more chance selling it without the plates. The bonus is that if the buyer is serious and responsible, and because it's a 100% legal bike, he/she will have no problem to plate it as he/she wishes, Hu A or Hu C...

50k for a number plate? ....:puke:My god, that's not cheap.

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Originally Posted by soberpete

The chain began to get rusty after several months of me washing the bike numerous times and riding over 300km in rain without being oiled once. I've oiled it a few times since I began to take note of the rust.
I need some expert advice: Should I replace the chain or will it be ok if I just keep on oiling it?

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Most of the rust should be gone after properly cleaning the chain. (Wash bike ->) clean chain -> oil the chain, depending on how much you drive ofcourse it's easier if you do it every week (or two). If you just keep oiling it without cleaning, the layer of crap just builds up and will take you much longer to clean off. It's like laundry and dishes!

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Originally Posted by Fred

...I think I would have more chance selling it without the plates. The bonus is that if the buyer is serious and responsible, and because it's a 100% legal bike, he/she will have no problem to plate it as he/she wishes, Hu A or Hu C...

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I agree with your assessment. The Shadow is a low-end bike and it'll be hard to find someone who's ready to shell out five times as much for the plate as they pay for the bike, which I'm guessing will command less than 10k used. A buyer interested in this bike will be cash-constrained and unlikely even to have the price of admission for the Hu A plate. Rather, they'll be thinking "I'll go without" or "I can probably manage a Hu C..."

If you are ready to go on the YBR, you can probably disassociate the plate from the bike right now, and then start marketing the bike unplated.

How are you planning to market the Shadow?

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Originally Posted by euphonius

I agree with your assessment. The Shadow is a low-end bike and it'll be hard to find someone who's ready to shell out five times as much for the plate as they pay for the bike, which I'm guessing will command less than 10k used. A buyer interested in this bike will be cash-constrained and unlikely even to have the price of admission for the Hu A plate. Rather, they'll be thinking "I'll go without" or "I can probably manage a Hu C..."

If you are ready to go on the YBR, you can probably disassociate the plate from the bike right now, and then start marketing the bike unplated.

How are you planning to market the Shadow?

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I'll go to the Yamaha store on Thursday and start the process with them. They told me between 1 and 2 weeks to change the plate registration from the Honda to the Yam.

About the Shadow, I have several ways :
- one inmate here sent me PM several weeks ago because he wanted to purchase a new Shadow. I'm trying to see if he would be interested in mine now (only 5,000 km and in perfect condition).
- Shanghai Expat
- Craigslist
- A forum for French expats in Shanghai : with the number of French now in Shanghai (they're everywhere !!) ;-)) and the fact that French young men generally love bikes, it could work out.

If you have any other ideas/suggestions, I'll take them !

And I realize I really hijacked Pete's thread, sorry for that mate....

don't forget about the big chinese secondhand online markets like sh.58.com

cheers

Thanks a lot Euphonius, I really didn't know this one.
Seem like you can find nice illegal bikes there, like the Honda CBR 250. Yummi, but no thanks...

Here's another called ganji.com.

Marco and Barry: Thanks for the info about cleaning the chain. I have WD40 and a brush at home, just need to get around to doing it.
Fred: I don't see it as hijacking, it's more of an addition that interests more people so I'd like to say "thanks"!

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Originally Posted by soberpete

Fred: I don't see it as hijacking, it's more of an interesting addition that interests more people so I'd like to say "thanks"!

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Fred, as you move forward with the Honda to Yamaha upgrade, many members might welcome a fresh thread detailing the process. Something along the lines of "Lessons from Shanghai's second-hand bike market"...

cheers!

You're reading in my mind !
I plan to post a new thread about this, to show that it is possible (I hope anyway !) and how to do it.
To be completely honest, I don't see that as difficult, and yes, I've been living in China for a while. ;-))

The Yamaha store should take care of the plate registration for me, I will provide to them all the necessary documents.
What is unknown to me right now is the process to change the insurance to the new bike, and the procedure to sell the Honda when I'll find a buyer. I especially want a document proving that I'm not the owner anymore of the Honda after selling it, not to have any liability if the buyer does something stupid with it. ;-))

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Originally Posted by soberpete

Marco and Barry: Thanks for the info about cleaning the chain. I have WD40 and a brush at home, just need to get around to doing it.
Fred: I don't see it as hijacking, it's more of an addition that interests more people so I'd like to say "thanks"!

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No problem!

Just take care to brush with a metal brush and WD40 ONLY on the sides of the chain (where is dirty and rusty), and absolutely not on top and bottom of the chain.
If you brush in that direction the metal brush may damage the O'rings and that's no good.

One thing puzzles me though, you and Barry talk about oiling the chain, I would normally use grease back home, you use oil? what's the advantage?

Cheers

Don't brush the top or the bottom... got it. I noticed that the top and bottom of the chain remained shiney silver while the sides of the chain went rusty. Naturally I would have left that part alone but thanks for the info.

Greasing/oiling the chain: Whenever I ask the local mechanics to lube up the chain they always grab a little metal pot containing a dark liquid and lay it all over. I've never seen anyone using grease over here. You use a thickish sort of grease and rub it on with your finger or what?

Local mechanics often simply use engine oil to lube the chain.

My opinion is that if you use "a thickish sort of grease", it will quickly become a "paste" full of sand and dirt with Chinese roads. The chain and sprockets would be damaged by it over time (grinding) and the chain will not be as "flexible" as it should (rigid spots).

Yeah, always diverse opinions on this and it depends on conditions and type of chain. I live and ride in very gritty, muddy or dusty road conditions. I use grease but the usual hosing down after every few rides or after a long ride certainly takes most of the destructive crap with it and the grease melts with friction heat and penetrates where it should so it still doesn't rust as quickly. You have to get suitable o ring stuff anyway if you use them.

The thinner 'cleansing protectants' such a swd 40 and the modern sticky sprays work brilliantly, although some are wary of them, but they need very regular application and my overall decision for me is grease works fine. Yes, you have to maintain but less than you do with thinner stuffs i have tried out. Build up hasn't been a problem because I do hose down now and again or purposefully take a trip through a puddle with my feet up high ... more like.

I would normally use WD40 only as a cleaner, after it's clean I put grease on it, I would spread the grease with the aid of a toothbrush in order to put as less as possible of it, but that was some time ago back in old Europe.

I think I'm going to invest a 100 quai in a spray lube for chain available on taobao, I've see there are several seller for Motul products. Will see how it goes, anybody uses these products already?

Oh, Peter, please let me know if that rust on the exhaust piece come from the nut and the bolt or it's that piece of metal welded to the exhaust that is rusting in the inside.

Because if it's the nut that is rusting I want to change mine to a stainless steel one before it starts rusting.

Cheers

I used the spray lube, a whole can lasted a couple of years, but grease, well I still have the can I got fifteen years ago and it is working just as well. Spray is easier is all.

Whatever you do, don't run your chain unlubricated, which not only will shorten the life of your sprockets and chain but also subjects you the rider to increasing risk of the chain jamming or jumping off the sprockets, which can cause a crash. WD-40, the subject of endless debates as to whether it should be used to clean your chain, definitely should NOT be used to LUBE your chain. WD-40 is a solvent, not a lubricant.

Get yourself a can of spray lube and lightly lube your chain before every ride. Here in China you can get your bike spray washed almost anywhere for 5 or 10 RMB, which will knock all the gunk and crap off the chain. Do that, then pull out your spray lube and hit her again.

cheers

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Originally Posted by marcomagica

Oh, Peter, please let me know if that rust on the exhaust piece come from the nut and the bolt or it's that piece of metal welded to the exhaust that is rusting in the inside.

Because if it's the nut that is rusting I want to change mine to a stainless steel one before it starts rusting.

Cheers

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The last time I looked, it seemed as though there was no rust at all on that nut and bolt; it's purely the backside of that piece of metal. I'd like to get that rust on my exhaust sorted out soon.

Pete, I guess you solved the dented rim problem by now, but if it may help : http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=3089796117

Haha. Thanks very much for your concern Fred. I went all over the inet looking for one of these and never found one.
The rim + tire that I got from the dealer cost me 880rmb. The only thing I didn't like about their service was that it took a month for the thing to arrive.

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Originally Posted by Robeta

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/...DSC00004-1.jpgHi dude was reading all your threads and sorry to see that your wheel was damaged beyond repair, or looks damaged beyond repair.

Like your bike, i was going to by a shinray motard but bought a wuyang honda instead, its a 150cc as is my other bike a Zongshen GY-10 Fly 150cc too, only bought it last saturday got my plates this friday past and done a short run, only 20klms, but have not really tested it yet nor have i had it up to speed, still running in.

Good luck on your new wheel , as long as everything still works fine , then fine for you, take care of your speed as there are a lot of crazy drivers out there who think nothing less than turning into your path without looking and your speed of 120 or more there will be nt a chance in hell of stopping in time, even on the so called quiet roads, there is always an idiot that will pull out in front of you without hesitation, i am not lecturing you i took my ZS up to 95klms and on a dual sport high in the riding pos feels weird, and that was on a seemingly quiet road until a truck came charging out of the side road without stopping at the junction or looking luckily for me it was 2 or 3 hundred meters away, or i would have been toast.

Its not the same as being home, most people are sensible, unlike here, anyhoo here are my bikes, enjoy the pics as i have enjoyed yours.



http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/...SC0482copy.jpg

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The Zongshen GY-10 Fly 150cc looks good. How do you rate it?

Are there any Chinese bikes made like this one? I like the looks of it!

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Hello Kitia. Perhaps you should message Roberta.
Roberta may not check this thread anytime soon to reply to you and I don't know anything about that bike.

Thanks, will do.

P.s. Welcome to the forum.
If you have any other questions then I'll be happy to answer them. I may not know the answer but I'll give it a try =).

Hi Pete,

could you tell me the maintenance schedule for the YBR? I'm facing some buzhidaos and I'd like to know how you dealt with change oil etc....

Cheers

'07 owner's manual http://ybrclub.com/_files/books/yama...ner_manual.pdf
'07 service manual in Spanish http://www.motomanual.com.ar/index.p...rtdown&id=1183

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Originally Posted by humanbeing

'07 owner's manual http://ybrclub.com/_files/books/yama...ner_manual.pdf
'07 service manual in Spanish http://www.motomanual.com.ar/index.p...rtdown&id=1183

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thank you very much!

now I wonder... why they told me to change the oil at 500 Km while it writes on the manual first check is at 1000?

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Originally Posted by marcomagica

thank you very much!

now I wonder... why they told me to change the oil at 500 Km while it writes on the manual first check is at 1000?

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Sorry for the late reply Marco,
How has everything been with the bike?
I still haven't checked the manual about the oil changes. I basically did exactly what ZMC888 advised me to do:

1st oil change after the 1st 100km (a bit precautionary but I felt it was wise)
2nd at 500km
3rd at 1500km and again every 1000km onwards

How many kms have you put on it so far?