Qianjiang is apparently bringing out a KTM 390-looking twin-cylinder 300. What do you guys make of this...?
http://www.moto8.com/thread-426888-1-1.html
http://motorcycle.sh.cn/t_17674679.htm
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Qianjiang is apparently bringing out a KTM 390-looking twin-cylinder 300. What do you guys make of this...?
http://www.moto8.com/thread-426888-1-1.html
http://motorcycle.sh.cn/t_17674679.htm
I would say the bikes engine has more in common with other twins, it does not appear to be an obvious copy of other current twins.
http://attachments.motorfans.com.cn/...UsLLfT4434.jpg
300cc Kawasaki twin engine.
http://www.ridermagazine.com/wp-cont...300-engine.jpg
Then there is the Suzuki 250 twin.
http://www.motorbeam.com/wp-content/...250_Engine.jpg
Yeah I think it looks fantastic. But then being Qianjiang, it may be years before it ever sees the light of day if ever.
I am pretty sure that one will come to the market and will be sitting between their 250 single and the 600 four.
They obviously are not having troubles designing, they actually seem inspired.
They have enough models to enter the USA, it is a good market for them to refine technical support, training and parts management.
This company is not a private company it is a government owned company its designs will not be copied.
They are likely paying for consulting and in that carefully developing, they probably are not violating any intellectual rights and or patented technology within their offerings.
It seems that being bought by a Chinese company is not such a bad thing is it? Partnering with one in a JV seems far less progressive. Then those not having a technology partners are running a race on treadmill.
Benelli has good engineers, but they have no experience in mass production and related internaltional distributions. That’s all new for all at QJB unless they hired some people that used to work for another company and in that acquired the needed knowledge and skills.
They got the designing part down, at least it seems so, but that is not all there is, operations management is all inclusive and definitely a team effort. They are in a very good position to become a major competitor.
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New pics of the upcoming 300. Could this be another landmark in the Chinese motorcycle industry? If they priced it at around 23,000 RMB to compete with the GW250 then I think it could be a real winner. I hear the Duke 390 sells for the equivalent of 20,000 RMB in India. If this bike becomes available to the domestic market in China, it would go a long way to quelling some of the massive jealousy that I have for the Indians.
Looks like a miniature Kawasaki ER6N with a parrallel twin rear shock on the right side of the frame then the swingarm design aswell does look smart though.
Kennon
The 300 twin is currently on display at the Jiangmen motorcycle expo. Motofans claims it will be available to the domestic market some time next year.
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When Benelli starts to copy KTM on everything from displacement to paint scheme to target market, they become QianJiang. Looks good, though
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Some people on motorfans are starting to criticize it based on the apparent poor quality of the display bike especially the frame welds. The engine has "265" on it which some are saying is the engine capacity whilst others are saying that it stands for 2 cylinders 65 mm bore based on the BJ600GS having "465" on its engine. My bet is that the engine is a true 300.
I bet the bike was a rushed last-second decision to jump into this niche urban 300cc competition, which, at this moment, is dominated by KTM (IMHO). Thusly, the overall quality of the bike makes it be a pretty dangerous ride. I believe it's more of a pre-pre-production mockup, rather than an actual production model. Anyway, I guess Nanjing dealerships will get it as soon as it rolls out - I'll definitely go to the shop to have a look at that, but something in its design just doesn't click. Can't say what exactly. Probably I'm just biased :)
I read that they were working on a twin, but I thought it was a 750? I was very surprised to see a 300.
What is interesting is the change in the currency between the USA and India, it dropped by 20% so when buying out of India the prices are significantly lowered. I wonder if KTM has the balls to ask top dollar for the 390 here? I admit that it is not entirely that simple since imports often feed into manufacturing and when currencies fall then costs of some inputs go up. This currently is stemming investments in India, its economy is slowing down.
I would like to see KTM import all three of the Indian manufactured Dukes to the USA, however if they held margins down the consumers would get used to the lower prices and in a product line that is historically one of the most expensive.
I actually would consider a 125cc here if it was under 3k, certainly would consider the 200cc if under 4k and the 390cc for under 5k. But If they bring the 390 here bet that they ask close to 7k for it. The 690 retails for $9,000.00, they have to adhere to their own convention.
Its a quandary, it really is for KTM, they are an expensive product line and now are mass producing low cost models. Not that different then the riff in QJ between their pricy Italian models and the low cost Chinese offerings. The big difference is reputation and perception of value, KTM could sell lots of these Dukes and for less…but they will not offer them for substantially lowered prices, at least not yet, that’s a shame for consumers.
Duke 125
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/cro...-20_800x0w.jpg
Moto GP is now the UK distributor for QJ products.
They're calling it the BJ300GS now or 蓝宝龙300 in Chinese. This looks like the production version:
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I am OK with them naming these Baolong, but the Blue could be dropped adding the blue makes it sound too much like Barney.
http://www.motorede.com.br/novidade-...ao-duas-rodas/
The Keeway RKX 300 as it will be called in some markets just paid a visit to Brazil a few weeks back. Specs for the bike are as follows:
Engine Type: 2 cylinder / 4 stroke / 8 valves
Engine cylinder (mm): 65.0 × 45.2
Max Power: 28kW/9.500 rpm (38cv)
Maximum Torque: 28.4Nm/9.500 rpm
Compression: 12:1
Injection System: EFI
Camshaft: DOHC
Ignition: TLI
Starting: Electric
Cooling system: Liquid
Gearbox: 5-speed
Transmission Type: Chain
Weight in running order: 180kg
Seat height: 795mm
Length: 2.115mm
Width: 800mm
Height: 1.120mm
Ground Clearance: 175mm
Wheelbase: 1.405mm
Suspension Front: Inverted telescopic
Front suspension travel: 115mm
Rear Suspension: monocushioned
Suspension travel rear: 45mm
Measure Front Tire: 120/70ZR17M/C
Measure Tire Rear: 160/60ZR17M/C
Front Brake Type: Dual Disc
Front brake diameter: 280mm
Rear Brake Type: Disc
Rear brake diameter: 250mm
Fuel tank capacity: 16 liters
Benelli willa introducea its anew asafault adventure bike ina Milan 2014.
Also their very nice 300cc twin, which will also be offered under the Keeway brand.
Also there is a 200cc version called a RKX, actually both will carry the RKX 200/300 model names in their Keeway model line.
I wonder if they will offer the smaller model RKX with their 4-valve OHC 200cc, this one has a 2-valve OHV, I believe...the OHC offers around 17hp.
The BJ600J-A was revealed this past August at the Fifth China International Exhibition of Road Traffic Safety Products in Beijing
QJ phased out their previous underbone "Visa", and introduced new "Target".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7g3mgy5kHk
Sold in Russia as "Stels Benelli" 300.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteZ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twk6JwW2gIw
I do like the 300 sort of like a mini ER-6N
Stels is also offering the DOHC 125cc
http://55.img.avito.st/640x480/211490255.jpg
STELS Trigger 125 SM EFI
92,000.00 RUB = 1,489.48 USD
http://atv52.ru/image/cache/data/mot...01-500x500.jpg
Modified designs for the 600, 300 and 251
200cc 4V sold in the Ukraine as a Geon Aero 200
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2hpbPZVkEc
56,100.00 UAH = 2,003.73 USD
Virtually just three days ago I realized that this same engine (4V GS clone, that is) is used on two "Van-Van-ish" bikes: "Stels's" sub brand "Desna" - 220 "Fantom" (http://stelsmoto.ru/motocikly/desna-220-fantom/ ; yes, it is 200, not 220 cc), and "Racer Forester" RC 200 LT (http://racer-motors.ru/catalog/motor...ester_rc200lt/). Both are Russian brands, but I think that bike originates from YX. Whether the engine on both motorcycles comes from QJ - I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
That engine is based off the Suzuki GS and it has different heads. Hyosung has a version of it in its Karion 125RT and it is a DOHC 4-Valve with 14.5hp, I do not believe that these versions at 199cc have a twin cam though only 4-valves. I do not believe that QJ and XY developed that engine in partnership, I would say they likely developed simultaneously.
Since the L Class in the UK has a 125cc and 15 hp limit, XY should have developed the 125cc DOHC IMO. They could have then had a line with that engine for the UK Market, which is a fairly large market.
QJ has both a DOHC 125 and 250 water cooled engines, however the 125cc seems to be limited to KSR? IMO QJ should offer a full line of L bikes with that 125cc.
Benelli is offering the Uno 250, also called the Little Dragon in China.
17,800.00 CNY = 2,870.57 USD
Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
This is a great offering. Priced lower than the YBR and with a HP rating very close to the GW, but priced 6000rmb lower.
If the quality is decent, it could be a China 250cc game changer.
It is very likely a 250 motocross standard will follow it, however the good people at QJ need to consider how a dual sport is at odd with their product lines persona. They should embrace an off-road division before offering such a model. They may want to consider shifting some of their production to that of off-road vehicles. In that it be about hiring experts in that segment and developing a comprehensive line from entry to competitive bikes. There is a huge segment in that, from little horizontal engines to that of 450cc rally bikes.
I wish that members so this site would stop using cliché terms so often. The beauty of being different is not so conventionally repetitive.
Sorry for the office-speak. I agree..its lame. What i meant to say was:Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
This bike gives me a moto-boner! ...and its cheap!
It’s kind of amazing how fast they are bringing bikes to production, they will likely sell allot of these since they got the price correct on them.
I am not crazy about the graphic on the Chinese model, this article has a version with better graphics, I personally do not believe the bike needs any graphics at all.