You think that is a horizontal engine in that bike?
It is a mini isn't it...
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...LIFAN/GP-3.jpg
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You think that is a horizontal engine in that bike?
It is a mini isn't it...
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...LIFAN/GP-3.jpg
I have thought about a horizontal model, but not with a standard frame, it have to be larger and also have a larger engine. Lifan has added some engines to it site.
Model: 1P52FMH-3N
Type: Single-cylinder,four-stroke,air-cooled three-valve
double-automatic clutched 110cc
Displacement: 107ml
Compression ratio: 9.5:1
Primary reduction: 4.059
Bore*Stroke: 52.4mm*49.5mm
Max.Power & Rotating Speed: 7.0kw/8500r/min
Max.Net Power & Rotating Speed: 6.7kw/8500r/min
Rated Power & Rotating Speed: 6.5kw/8500r/min
Max.Torpue & Rotating Speed: 8.0N.m/6500r/min
Min.Fuel Consumption: ≤367g/kw.h
Ldling Speed:1500r/min
Ignition:CDI
Starter:Electric starter/kick starter
Lubrication: Pressure/splash
Transmission:4 speed
http://www.lifanth.com/images/storie...FMG-L(100).jpg
As for what I would put it in it look like this, which is a SL70 modified to have a longer wheelbase.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...f421ff8c5f.jpg
Not necessarily. In his portfolio, "Lifan" has 50 and 100 cc "bent" horizontals (same lower engine exept cylinder shaft moved up, same head, and cylinder fitted with standard cam chain tensioner.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
Which one's new? This 3 valve 110cc?
I think i saw those on their site long time ago.
Remember "Hanway's" li'l retro "Raw" 50, fitted with horizontal and with half duplex "Grissini"* frame? That is good and affordable base for your project bike.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
"Grissini"* - it is Italian word, but not another Italian motorcyle frame or builder like "Tonti", "Verlicchi", "Ceriani", "Ciemme"... I mean, this "Hanway's" frame is thin as much as decent grissini bread stick.
http://lifan-europe.com/ has apparently closed its business in Europe. The headquarters was in Neuss / Germany since 2008. I drive a Lifan 250-4 (Replica of Honda CMX250) and now get no spare parts any more. Neither newspapers nor in the Internet was to read about the business breakdown of Lifan-Europe. They disappeared in avery quiet way. Nobody noticed anything. I had my last contact to Lifan in 2013.
Does anyone know exactly, what was going on with Lifan-Europe?
CA250 clone http://www.h6.dion.ne.jp/~nori-to/re..._database.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Cardillac
List what u need, we may find the alternative that works http://www.impex-jp.com/catalogs/mot.../16kr3fj2.html
It looks like they had some good clearance prices, I would have bought one of the naked 250 for $2100.00Quote:
Originally Posted by Cardillac
Telefone doesn't work, e-mails won't be answered.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH
Apart from this: It seems to me as if Lifan has made the mistake, to establish itself by low prices in the German market. But that does not work here. Lifans vehicles were denigrated and called China scrap. That is why the low pricec didn't help further.
There are young people and people with small incomes who would buy cheap and technically simple vehicles. For those people it is necessary to provide assistance on how to repair their bikes by themselves. These aids are, for example, organized in Internet forums. Lifan should have been active in those places.
You can only use the price advantage of Chinese motorcycles, if you can deal with their technical deficiencies and if they can be resolved without outside intervention. No German motorcycle workshop repaires Chinese motorcycles. If you arrive with something like that, they throw you out of the shop.
Motor biking has become something for rich and elderly men in Germany. Therefore, there are mostly expensive and large machines offered here. Young people do not drive bike because they can not afford these machines.
There is no market for small motorcycles in Germany. This market should be created. Lifan did not understand this fact. They thought, they would suceed with their low prices. And now they diappeared in a very silent and shameful way. That's too bad.
Registrations - Year 2015 Monthly registrations of PTWs PTW Powered-two wheeled (MP + MC) MC Motorcycle MP Moped Key markets Blank Not available
Country January February March PTW MC MP PTW MC MP PTW MC Austria 603 263 340 1078 554 524 5504 3672 1832 Belgium 1693 980 713 2698 1837 861 4050 2848 1202 Czech Rep 345 306 39 465 415 50 1580 1414 166 Germany 4620 3444 1176 9866 8003 1863 33104 28600 4504 Denmark 522 52 470 641 83 558 1197 330 867 Estonia 16 15 1 46 26 20 138 59 79 Finland 150 74 76 198 87 111 1076 386 690 France 13493 8483 5010 14079 9274 4805 21692 15718 5974 UK 5051 4486 565 3966 3516 450 16377 15463 914 Greece 1786 1786 0 1548 1546 2 2276 2275 1 Croatia 98 59 39 76 48 28 0 0 0 Hungary 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Ireland 144 111 33 92 70 22 0 0 0 Italy 10758 9296 1462 11391 9943 1448 18510 16570 1940 Lithuania 10 6 4 31 11 20 121 46 75 Luxembourg 57 40 17 118 81 37 285 223 62 Latvia 35 10 25 65 24 41 212 76 136 Netherlands 4460 675 3785 4135 635 3500 7013 1864 5149 Poland 1383 531 852 2166 939 1227 5583 2627 2956 Portugal 1076 939 137 976 862 114 1460 1305 155 Roumania 32 18 14 39 27 12 0 0 0 Spain 7845 6878 967 7964 6884 1080 12111 10934 1177 Slovakia Slovenia 48 15 33 159 57 102 Sweden 145 145 293 293 1332 1332 Bulgaria Cyprus Malta Total 54370 38612 15758 62090 45215 16875 133621 105742 27879
This is a little off center, the headers MP for the last column is missing it has three month of new registrations for 2015.
Germany is the third largest market for mopeds after France and the Netherlands, the largest market for motorcycles sales, bet the lion share of those are BMW.
I would have based them out of Romania, bet that is a large un developed market. But they would have to have better offerings, or offerings that made more sense.
Germany has the same learner class as other EU countries, Honda sells only the CBR125R and for about 4,000 EUR. The 250 in Europe are lame ducks as the beginner cannot ride them, by the time they get past learner they are beyond the 250 for most, they look to 500-650cc.
Lifan should have offered 125cc in Europe, it has been said already they need 15hp 125cc bikes. The CBR125R has 14hp.
If they offered the KP model and with a good 125cc engine it would have and would still do better for them as would having full line of 125cc models. Then a model like the DOHC “DEEPA” could also be offered Honda sell the CRF250L in Germany for about 4,755 EURO so the Lifan bike could be offered for 3,500.00 and should have a 2yr warranty.
How hard would it be for Lifan to offer a DOHC sport bike to compete with the CBR300R in Germany? Not a copy of it like so many are doing, just a similar type offering. It is only a fuel injected 300cc single.
To me everything about Lifan is hair brained.
Part of the assimilation to the EU will be setting up learner classifications....some have yet to do that. In the end all the members will have 125cc classes no?