Shineray X1 - mixed CG engine to bike?!

You really cannot hook them together, they are not interoperable all you are doing is powering parts of circuits and without much regard you will burn some of it up, blow some fuses….
You are way outside of plug and play.
You have a five wire rectifier, its missing a third yellow, so that is its own type.
Obviously there are lots of way to configure the electricals…
You may want to get a harness and rewire it to the new engine. You would need an AC R/R, CDI and Coil, good thing is that the engine you now have seems to be the most common type. The stator wiring on it is for AC and seems to use a common color code.

r/r: That black wire in center is known as "control" (Take sample from + ) http://sanxin.com.cn/Exhibit/exhview.asp?pid=39 | http://sanxin.com.cn/info5/index.asp?id=7
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Some BAD designed 5-wire r/r are killed by relay... http://fanyi.baidu.com/transpage?que...e=url&render=1 #6

So you connected the Yellow to yellow and the white to the other yellow?
Then what do you get off the red 12V?
The red off the RR feeds the battery and the black would be the ignition wire.
I think that type of RR is what they call universal DC and it takes the AC feeds and converts them to 12V DC?
I would be very concerned about the 240v red and black being free…

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Originally Posted by humanbeing

r/r: That black wire in center is known as "control" (Take sample from + ) http://sanxin.com.cn/Exhibit/exhview.asp?pid=39 | http://sanxin.com.cn/info5/index.asp?id=7
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Some BAD designed 5-wire r/r are killed by relay... http://fanyi.baidu.com/transpage?que...e=url&render=1 #6

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I can't open the links
Do you know what should be what?

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Originally Posted by MJH

So you connected the Yellow to yellow and the white to the other yellow?
Then what do you get off the red 12V?
The red off the RR feeds the battery and the black would be the ignition wire.
I think that type of RR is what they call universal DC and it takes the AC feeds and converts them to 12V DC?
I would be very concerned about the 240v red and black being free…

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I switched wires at the stator end plug
The bike was all original to engine was swapped out so I'm picking it's all at the stator end - maybe wired wrong or faulty but even that's not certain

If both wires yellow then it can't matter what goes into it? Or they would each be different.
Maybe I can try the 240v AC unsteady if a 15v AC see what happens
Or just buy the 80¥ genuine stator see what that's like and test outputs etc

I can't clearly say that the stator is the correct type or if it's got the right connections at the end of the wire without correct info or wiring diagram or another stator
It all tests partly right and wrong and it could be correct or not correct
Yet the end result is a bad runner without knowing why

I believe what you had originally is called a full wave stator and the R/R is called a 4 Diode Rectifier.
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detai...714331436.html

That link is not to yours it is only so you know what type of charging system your bike is wired for. From it having only two yellow leads at the R/R that is the conclusion I drew.

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Originally Posted by MJH

I believe what you had originally is called a full wave stator and the R/R is called a 4 Diode Rectifier.
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detai...714331436.html

That link is not to yours it is only so you know what type of charging system your bike is wired for. From it having only two yellow leads at the R/R that is the conclusion I drew.

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Seems I can't get correct Voltage outputs details for my bike
Best I bite the $12 bullet and try a genuine Shineray part
I see no other way but to get a genuine and the plug should match the bike
The bike had issues once engine replaced
It could well be that I need to connect the 240ac wire or that connecting it will work but I have no idea where too
I don't like just swapping out parts as that limits learning and leaving information trails on the net
But what else can I do if I don't know the correct part or output?

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Originally Posted by NZBrakelathes

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Bike even runs without the regulator connected???

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That must be that somehow you managed to power to the CDI directly off the Stator.
Your power should be coming from the R/R through the black connected to the battery and to the red + at the ignition switch.

If you get a new stator it should have only two yellow leads and green and blue. Your CDI only wants a constant 15v DC and the supply is off the R/R that is getting feed ? AC off two yellow leads off the stator.

In that you have to consider the difference between AC and DC, AC is waves and DC is flat. Hey electricity is electricity and since you are powering a capacitor it will take it, but the results will not be what is desired. That CDI wants a constant 15V DC not waves of AC.

How about an image of the original plugs and wires for the connection(s) to the stator.

Finding a stator of that type will not be easy, it will need to have that wiring and the correct mounting for your engine.

Finding a stator of that type will not be easy, it will need to have that wiring and the correct mounting for your engine.[/QUOTE]


Genuine stator on the way - I live in Chengdu do not that far from Chingqing where the factory is

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Seems the bike should have a CB150
Not CG 150
I suspect totally wrong ignition curve
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This is from the factory manual and shows engine code

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This is the wiring diagram yet missing gear selector switch for all gears
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Ok and I'm on a seller that can program a CDI - needs to be a DC CDI with the ignition curve of a CG150 if I'm not wrong