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Well, with any bike I got I'd change the factory oil and factory spark plugs at once. Maybe I'm being paranoid. Maybe it's all that Chinabike experience. But I'd rather know what exactly is in my bike's engine rather than hope that the manufacturer put some good oil&plugs there (suitable for the bike/brake-in/season/etc)
CF650NK BJ600GS dyno diagram
http://www.qcql.com/chinese/2012/other/12060901.htm
http://www.modi-moto.com/bbs/forum.p...extra=page%3D1
Very interesting, finally some real numbers! Thanks for finding that TD.
So clearly the Benelli is the more powerful bike with a more linear power curve, but also it's interesting to note that the custom exhaust really does make a difference. Not only does it give more power everywhere in the ewv range, it also eliminates that massive dip in the torque curve.
http://www.modi-moto.com/bbs/data/at...5q2q2lyjhc.jpg
Attachment 7671Attachment 7672only thing that seems to have changed is the clutch casing from the yamaha unit to that of the Qjiang built engine
Some more:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomtom
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzkzNDA5NjMy.html
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDE0NTM0ODY0.html
Hi All,
I just ordered the bike last week. They claim a 3 months waiting list at Pubei Lu shop. Got it shortened to a month by the Jiazhou Lu/Taizhou Lu dealer...
Let see how it goes...
Congrats :clap::thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by nicolast
I guess it is possible, maybe not 1 month but 6 weeks seem to be realistic - wish you good luck!
Dear Nicolast,
Definitely starting to see these around town here in Shanghai, not often but every once in a while. Saw a red one two weeks ago, and must say the trellis frame in red looked quite nice.
I do hope that you'll share with us your experience once the bike arrives and you start putting it through its paces. Feel free to start a fresh thread once it comes, since you'll be sharing "facts" with us all rather than "rumors"!
thanks in advance, and cheers!
Agree with you with the "rumors" things...I will for sure give you the feedback and hopefully we could drive together one day so you could also have a try by yourself.
I was about to purchase the CFmoto last year but finally decided to go for the YBR250 since it's reliable and easier for daily commuting. As a matter of fact I will keep my YBR for daily usage and from time to time riding the Benelli. Anyway times shows that the CFmoto is not aging very well and that the material quality is very poor...Nevertheless it's for sure too early to judge the Benelli and I'm not expecting to compete with an imported one but want to give a try.
I just ordered a pair of Bridgestone Battlax tires in order to maximize the link between the bike and the road...haha
Yeah!!! Finally! We're all waiting!
Congratulations Nicolast! I cannot wait for the new 'facts' thread.
I still haven't had a chance to try one, but even in xi'an i've seen a few on the streets now. They seem to be gaining popularity quite fast so that's gotta be a good thing.
I'm looking forward to this :popcorn:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve_Halt
Nicolas, how far have you taken the YBR250? Any issues you can tell us about?
Did they also change the front fender?Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve_Halt
Old:
http://www.otomotifnet.com/spaw/uplo...-BENELLI-1.jpg
New:
http://photo.qcql.com/data/0001/49/133404591473.jpg
Hi Soberpete,Quote:
Originally Posted by soberpete
My YBR is 16.000km, I bought it last august for commuting but i feel slightly frustrated outside Shanghai, wanted to have a something a bit more powerful. Never get any problem so far with my YBR except these 2 issues:
-Original tyres were not that good in quality and I encounter some direction problem while braking hard. I bought a pair of Bridgestone (from Japan) and it changed immediately and got a very linear direction during my braking...The Battlax BT 39 130/70-17M/C 62H are my rear, and got the sister for the front...
-Front Braking disc is getting over too fast, usually I have to change them every 3 to 4 months which is a bit annoying.
Except that, I do,n't have any problem at all. As you said, the YBR never disapoint...
Cheers
[QUOTE=tomtom;45487]Did they also change the front fender?
I have no idea yet, will tell you when they will deliver my bike. Should occur around July 20th...
Member 'oldgringo' on chinariders.net (he is an ex-pat American living in Lima, Peru) went to a motorcycle show in Lima and posted photos, including the Benelli/Keeway 600
http://www.chinariders.net/modules.p...=153688#153688
Hi Tom,Quote:
Originally Posted by tomtom
You were right...about the 6 weeks things...Haha or maybe more. My dealer seems not so sure now when the bike will arrive exactly. He told me 2 more weeks but to be honest he is not that confident while saying it so TIC. I prefer to wait and they build it properly. Apparently everybody is rushing on this bike and most of the people want it in White...(like me).
Anybody experiencing the same problem?
Keep you posted on the change.
Cheers,
N
Hi Nicolast,Quote:
Originally Posted by nicolast
Communication policy in China is developable... They even do not number their order confirmation. If one wants info from the factory, they ask for order date, place and name of the dealer instead. Nevertheless, you can try contacting the factory directly, at least they are friendly and helpful.
I do not believe that the color of the bike influences delivery date. But the vacation period could influence production, particularly if Italian engineers are involved (e.g. in quality control), as August is the vacation month in Italy.
Rode with a group of guys on the weekend (last). Myself and a close friend took a ferry from near Beifeng near Beilun, Ningbo to TaoHua Dao (island) where we spent the weekend. (We travel there frequently, as it is a quieter island compared with ZhouShan Dao and the like. TaoHua Dao has two main beached on opposite sides of the island. One is a major expansive sand beach with all the usual facilities found on the major tourist beaches in PRC. Quad bike, speed boat, jet ski hire and marked swimming area with lifeguards (I won't comment on that having been a former surf lifesaver and qualified lifeguard myself). Anyway it is a place to escape too. The other beach is a fishing village with a pebble beach front, and very quiet by contrast. The island has a range of mountains, which is one of the major draw cards for me. So my friend and I left last Friday taking the first ferry in the morning (7:30) had a great relaxing time. Saturday saw the other guys arrive and we went and met them at the ferry terminal. Low and behold two of them were riding the Benelli BJ600's in white and plated with Ningbo plates. Got to say they look nice in the flesh. Bit cramped looking though, and no place to put anything. During our rides, it became obvious that one of the riders was still getting familiar with his BJ600, as the bike rode him rather than him riding the bike. I saw something similar when I rode with a dozen Harley Davidson riders. Most of the bikes were new, and either the riders had never ridden, or not much or, never something so big. Couple of times, one rider or two almost went off the mountain road while cornering, for fear of leaning into the corner. Kind of like watching a first time pillion new to the motorcycle experience.
The only other observation on the BJ600 is that the rear mudguard and license plate holder flexes a lot and I do mean a lot when the bikes are ridden. From what I could understand the riders were saying that the rear end subframe or guard, tail-light assemblies might be reworked and replaced.
I got several photos and will upload those later when I take them from my camera.
One last thing is that one of the other guys in the group was looking at possibly opening a motorcycle shop and becoming a Benelli dealer on another island nearby. I'll update that as developments come to hand.
Hi,
Got the update finally about my bike!!! It was supposed to arrive last Friday...Wait all day without news and then week end comes...Mr Yang from Yuyao lu called me yesterday and we are going this morning finally to pick up the bike at the Pudong stock...Then go straight to register it...:-)
Keep you posted.
Cheers,
N
Great, please tell us about your overall impression as soon as you ride it. Euphonius seemed to have a bit of a hard time passing gears when he tested it.
Cheers!
:popcorn:Nice work Nicolast. All the best!
Congrats! Guess you will be happy to see that they split the brake line below the steering head and not any more above the front fender. Means, the fender will not get scratched anymore when the wheel rebounds. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by nicolast
Attachment 8244
We need a new thread: 'Nicolast's new Qjiang QJ600GS/Benelli BJ600GS'! :deal:
I and many others will be very interested in this bike :popcorn:. I'm much more interested in condition the bike will be in after 10,000 kms, and how easy any warranty claims will be than any initial impressions, although all information is welcome.
Dear ZMC888,
I second the motion!
I checked in earlier this week with Yang Jie, the dealer who procured the Benelli for Nicolast, and was told that the newly plated bike would be in the shop yesterday afternoon for tweaking before Nicolast was to set out on his Zhejiang/Fujian adventure. I didn't arrive in time to see it, and it wasn't there when I swung by this morning. So I'm assuming Nicolast is somewhere out there racking up the kms and gathering stories and pictures for his new thread!
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popc orn:
Cheers!
Dear MCM members,Quote:
Originally Posted by euphonius
I am now back to Shanghai with plenty of feedback about the bike.
I will need some time to go more in details and will make a post on it.
As Euphonius mentionned, Yang Jie get the bike for me on Monday morning, get it platted last Tuesday morning and get me back the bike in the end of afternoon.
Since Tuesday 14th, I managed to go over 2000km with it... and I have to say that so far I have been fully satisfied with the bike. I also notice some improvement in the bike (gear box is working very well, braking system is good (especially after the braking line have been up to steering head), the license plate holder which seems reinforced...)...
On the other hand, I do notice some little problem...which I will details and show with some pictures...
If you have any questions please let me know and I will do my best to answer them all.....
I had my gopro camera in my bag but forgot to empty the memory stick before the trip so I was unable to make any film...
Cheers,
Nicolas
OK, questions:
1. Is it worth its price tag?
2. Any ideas on how it compares to CFMoto 650 NK?
3. Heard rumors about metal dust in oil, have you noticed anything of that sort when changing oil?
4. How does ECU behave? Any electrical problems overall?
5. Is it comfortable for, say, 1-hour-plus rides? How does the pillion feel?
6. Have you added anything aftermarket on it? If yes, why?
7. How's power delivery at low RPM? I mean, is it OK for stop&go city traffic?
8. Does it feel well planted on the road?
9. What kind of support do you get from the dealer?
10. How's the headlight at night? Does it shine where it's supposed to? Is it bright enough?
11. Are the stock tires good for wet tarmac?
12. Is there any hesitation in throttle response?
13. How's it better that your YBR 250?
14. Are the gauges readable? Are the readings correct?
15. Does it overheat?
Those are some I'd want to ask.
Thanks.
Steve
Hi Steve,Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve_Halt
Here are my answers:
1. Is it worth its price tag?
After 5 days riding, already over 2100KM I should say yes it worth its price tag of 39000RMB. So far I haven't get any problem or dispointment. To be honest I have bought the bike without riding it before but just my feeling was positive about this bike...
2. Any ideas on how it compares to CFMoto 650 NK?
I never tried the CFMoto 650NK so it's difficult to answer this question. Just feel the CF is not aging well at all...time will say for the Benelli...
3. Heard rumors about metal dust in oil, have you noticed anything of that sort when changing oil?
I sort the oil after 800KM, the oil was very dirty but I didn't notice that much of metal waste inside. I got the Castrol 15W50.
4. How does ECU behave? Any electrical problems overall?
ECU seems to behave well. No electrical problem at all, Everything is working very well so far. Last Wednesday I went to Moganshan/Anji and have to ge back to Shanghai under strong rains. The motorbike didn't fail at any moment even under 1 hour ride under the rain. The motorbike was indeed very stable.
5. Is it comfortable for, say, 1-hour-plus rides? How does the pillion feel?
Wednesday I ride for about 600km+ in the day. Shanghai, Daxi, Moganshan, Wuxi, Shanghai and I was very surprise by the comfort of the bike. To be honest, I was stopping not because of uncomfort of the seat but because the gas tank was to small...I feel like spending my day at the gas station...(it should be around 150km to 200km for the tank capacity. Since i don't want to go to low for the level I stop quite often then...).
The motor is relatively nervous and the shocks absorbers not as soft as the YBR...
Regarding the pillion I solely drive with on a long ride...but i would strongly not recommend for long distance...Exhaust pipe are just under the ass...lol plus the seat is relatively small.
Second ride, went to Qiandaohu, around 1000KM in total. Intensive night road and the bike was easy to ride. The lighting system is quite performant so far. I firstly wanted to change it to HID but finally cancel this change as they went great.
6. Have you added anything aftermarket on it? If yes, why?
I changed the tires to Bridgestone Battlax 023R. 180/55ZR17M/C (73W) for the rear and don't remeber the front but also the same with smaller size...haha.
Original Metzeller from Germany were showing great at first. But since I am putting great importance at tires I ordered them before the bike. Then I realize the original Metzeller were from good quality too . I might use them when my Battlax will be done. Have to do 3 emergency braking with the bike over 100Km per hour and the bike behave greatly.
I also buy a tank bag to store some lights belongings...LEM bought from spidy.
7. How's power delivery at low RPM? I mean, is it OK for stop&go city traffic?
As a 4 cylinders bike, the engine is showing greater performance around 6000 to 8000RPM. Start is delivering great power too. I rode yesterday with 2 KTM 990 (One Super Duke and one 990 Adventure) and I can follow them withut problem.
Forget about city driving. It's nice for showing off at week end but not as a main transportation in city. It's go hot very quickly and this bike need to go over 80km/h to be happy. lol
8. Does it feel well planted on the road?
Yes very well planted. Easy to go and moove around despite the 220KG...
9. What kind of support do you get from the dealer?
No special support from dealer, except I have been trusting Yang Jie for the past 3 years, I bought 3 bikes from him now. YBR 125, YBR 250 and BJ600 last week. To be honest, I know Yangjie doesn't know much about this bike, but he is my friend and I wanted to buy from him. Since it's a local bike it's fine. He has excellent contact with the other dealers around so it make no doubt he will always find a solution to help me. I guess thats the way its working in China anyway.
10. How's the headlight at night? Does it shine where it's supposed to? Is it bright enough?
As mentionned previously, the headlight is great and I will finally not change for the HID.
11. Are the stock tires good for wet tarmac?
Haven't tried the Metzeller on wet tarmac. But my Battlax behave perfectly so far.
12. Is there any hesitation in throttle response?
No hesitation at all. Power is always there and with fast response.
13. How's it better that your YBR 250?
They are too different bikes. I got around 20.000km in 1 year on the YBR250. The YBR is perfect for city and week end escape. Fine for a pillion and I also can put my top case to carry my stuffs around or go shopping. It's amazing what you can store on it...(from my ikea shelves to my bike, the beer cases, and so on...
The Benelli is perect for a solo week end ride with other bikes. A lot of fun and sensation.
14. Are the gauges readable? Are the readings correct?
Gauges are perfect during day and night. Easy to read. You can also swith from Miles to KM. The button are not very to push....
15. Does it overheat?
Yes a lot during these days. I also call QJ motor to speak with a technician to share my concerns. In city I sometime reach over 100c. The technician told me 109c is fine but if you go to 110c you have to stop immediately. It's very easy to reach over 100 in city at that period so you better let the beast riding at a faster pace (over 60 to 80km) if yu want to get the engine around 88 to 93c.
Another poitn is about the poor quality of some parts; They looked already oxydize or sometimes rusty or damage despite the bike is new...I will follow closely about this issue....
I will post pictures
Cheers