Re: Steve's CFMoto 650 NK（春风 650 NK）
ZMC888, it's really strange how people's experience with the same bike is so drastically different - my bike's 2 years old this year, no problems really. And then there's your bike with all the stuff you mentioned. Probably that comes down to the pre-sales, you know, shop assembly and making sure the bike is put together well. I don't know. I heard they updated the bike for 2014. new brakes, new paint, new speedo. Nothing major. I'd be really interested in knowing how that bike is in terms of reliability and if it's different from the first generation NK.
fletch 7276, how do you like the sound of your exhaust? I've been looking at different options for exhaust upgrades, but haven't really gotten down to anything. Was that easy or hard to install?
Re: Steve's CFMoto 650 NK（春风 650 NK）
Steve, the pipe gave the bike a deeper sound, much meaner. I think the bigger factor in sound is removal of the stock box that serves as the mid-pipe. the aftermarket setup replaces that section with just an unrestricted pipe. that is what reduces the low-end torque though. I prefer a bike that revs higher, so the tradeoff for higher RPM and powerband was no issue.
as for installation, it was super easy. as long as you have some metric sockets, its pretty straightforward.
It is amazing how feedback can vary for a bike. its typical for a new company working through the bugs of production though. I think the mindset of CF is different than others, they definitely want to compete internationally, and you can see it in the spec decisions they made with the initial bike. i'm very happy with my decision on buying it.
Re: Steve's CFMoto 650 NK（春风 650 NK）
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Tonka
Had to take mine to the local dealer the other day, overheating. They can't find the cause and are waiting to speak to the technician at the main importers to see if they know of it happening, otherwise it'll be a replacement.
Have them check the waterpump, and especially the impellor.
Might have been made from plastic, and failed, stopping the coolant from being pumped around.
Most of the time easy to check.
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ZMC888, it's really strange how people's experience with the same bike is so drastically different - my bike's 2 years old this year, no problems really. And then there's your bike with all the stuff you mentioned. Probably that comes down to the pre-sales, you know, shop assembly and making sure the bike is put together well. I don't know. I heard they updated the bike for 2014. new brakes, new paint, new speedo. Nothing major. I'd be really interested in knowing how that bike is in terms of reliability and if it's different from the first generation NK.
Pre-sales? I think not, we had the bikes ordered and delivered. A fuel tank that rusts on the inside before it's even three months old isn't shop assembly. Shop assembly is simply removing the bike from the box and putting on a front wheel and battery in the bike.
The reliability or unreliability of one bike doesn't really show a great deal, some things are down to luck. My opinion is that due to the parts suppliers and cost infrastructure in China means that Chinese bikes of any size are prone to having low grade parts. Whether this is CFMOTO trying to save money or their suppliers trying to save money or being lazy (more likely) things can and will fail at a much higher rate than a Japanese bike, but if you are lucky it's as though you have bought a good Japanese bike or unlucky you can feel you've bought a complete lemon. Some of the failed parts work fine if replaced and the bike can go on to have a longish reliable lifespan.
I still like my bike and I'm going to enjoy the spring and summer riding it, fingers crossed.
Re: Steve's CFMoto 650 NK（春风 650 NK）
fletch7276, thanks for the feedback!
ZMC888, right. Well hopefully they will figure all those things out, or else it'll be another failed attempt at international competition.
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Re: Steve's CFMoto 650 NK（春风 650 NK）
Well, took my bike to the dealer for the service on Monday, picked it up yesterday. What I needed done was:
1. Oil & oil filter change.
2. Air filter change.
3. Spark plugs change.
4. The right shock was leaking, so I wanted the rubber seal replaced.
5. The ignition had a major problem - after the bike is started, when the key is shifted, touched, moved a bit further to the right, all the electrics would cut off. Very dangerous on the road.
6. The red warning light would come on and off erratically. I tried to read the error code, but it didn't seem to correspond to any of the error codes in the CF Moto's error code table.
7. I wanted my fuel sensor assembly changed because the fuel readings were far from correct, i.e. it would read the full tank and then it would drop to zero with a blinking fuel light and then it would be somewhere in the middle.
I had all the replacement parts from the official CF Moto taobao (TMall) page: http://cfmoto.tmall.com/?spm=a220o.1000855.w2.1.jSoYij
Result:
They changed the oil and filters alright and must've changed the spark plugs as well.
But when I started the bike today in the morning, it spluttered and coughed for about 5 min or so. After being warmed up it worked OK though. I'll see what it'll be further on. My guess - they haven't connected the spark plug caps tightly.
The red warning light is still on, and now it blinks and shines in an even more chaotic fashion. I think I'll need to take the bike back on Monday to have that sorted out.
The fuel gauge seems to be OK, at least it doesn't jump that much if at all.
The shocks thing was hilarious - instead of changing the seal, the mechanic changed the whole fork leg assembly. Problem - my original forks were silver, but the replacement he got was gunmetal grey. Solution - change both forks. And, yes, since the bike is not on the warranty any more, I got charged for it, and it was 1500 yuan. Well, it's the price of one fork leg, but it's not the price of a seal + work, which would've amounted to 100 yuan tops.
Anyway, what bothers me now is that the bike is starting to have all those minor annoying problems that eat my time and shouldn't be there. I invested heavily in the bike - it's legal, it's plated, it has insurance and all that. The question is if I should think about the replacement before anything more annoying happens, or if I should just go on with the bike.
Attached are the pics of what's going on with it at the moment.
Red warning light:
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Steve_Halt
Anyway, what bothers me now is that the bike is starting to have all those minor annoying problems that eat my time and shouldn't be there. I invested heavily in the bike - it's legal, it's plated, it has insurance and all that. The question is if I should think about the replacement before anything more annoying happens, or if I should just go on with the bike.
Steve, you've been very lucky for 2 years, now some of that luck is catching up with you maybe.
What the hell are you thinking paying for a fork leg when a seal's gone? The fork seal is nothing to worry about that fix is a real concern.
With the plugs and ECU however are more of a problem. Get those sparks refitted and try all new ECU electrical connectors. It's these cheap things, cheap electrics, bolts, plastics etc that really let the bike down, but the fundamentals like the engine and fueling seem fine. Some consumables like tires and plugs are inexpensive, but that's understandable for a budget bike, Like the lead engineer was a solid, but let down by some bean counters in the office. As far as I'm aware the actual ECU and injectors are fine Dekra group components, Ducati ECU and Magnetti Marelli injectors so it must be the wires or connectors.
I'll be honest. I really think you need to switch your mechanic. Find a skilled 'one man band' big bike specialist. I know a few, ideally with better tools than you, and maybe some parts and even an ECU reader or torque wrench. Buy your spares online at places like this http://www.wemoto.com/bikes/C.F.MOTO/650_NK/12/ Or failing that Tmall then pay a good mechanic to fit them or do it yourself, and if someone else is working on your bike they need to be micro-managed, especially these dealership mechanics.
If I was richer I'd take the hit and buy a Thai import Honda CB500 or Kawasaki ER6, or the new MT07, more reliable, but no cheap parts in a few days from Tmall. I don't have enough to take the deprecation, so I'm stuck with mine for the next five years. I still have the belief it is fundamentally a sound bike, but time will tell. I'm on 5500 kms btw.
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Hey Steve, have been following this post for some time and I'm sorry to hear your having troubles, The NK seems to me (being the son of a bike mechanic) to be just like the early Jap bikes. If you don't know bikes don't get 1 of these cause their gonna cost you lots of money, though just take the time to get to know your bike and it will cost nothing old Harley owners all over the world will tell you that after a few whiskies to ease their pride. I've had mine for just over a year now clocking 10k, and I've ridden all my life. Honestly this will be 1 of the legend bikes the young lads of today will talk about. And if you sell yours in 10 years you'll want it back. I've tried all the competition and nothing in the range compares to this bike in raw excitement and thrills. It's dangerous and powerfull and makes you ride it, this aint no Bently. My point is, when your Grand kids are riding you can tell them about the mighty China bike the NK650 with all your stories( my first was a RZ350 ) and you can inspire a whole new generation of kids to get dirty in the shed and love their bikes just like you and me. Rubber side down Brother
Re: Steve's CFMoto 650 NK（春风 650 NK）
ZMC888, I wouldn't've paid for the forks, still there are a few reasons:
1. I had the same fork leg replaced already, and that was free, but I guess the replacement wasn't up to a scratch - I saw the old fork leg without a seal - the seal seat was all jagged and scratched. I got no idea as to what did that amount of damage to it, but I'm seriously thinking of installing dust sleeves on the forks just in case.
2. After all, he replaced both shocks - so both shocks are new now. I got no idea for the state of the second old shock, but that seemed to be fine. Anyways, the shocks I got are from a 2014 production year model. Hopefully, they are better. HOPEFULLY.
The mechanic I took the bike to isn't my regular mechanic - they are the dealer I got my NK from. And, yes, I don't like them a lot.
I will most likely take the bike apart and have a closer look at the ECU on Monday or Wednesday, but I can't promise for sure. That light is not actually doing anything at all - it doesn't signal of any condition, since there is no perceivable condition at all. It is just mightily annoying. Might as well go Chinese: take off the dashboard and remove the light :)
Now that my kid changed the kindergarten, I believe I'm pretty much stuck with this bike for quite some time. It is fundamentally solid bike indeed. It has that feel about it, which is one of the reasons I bought it.
CFMoto Brad, hope you're right :) My daughter seems to like cruisers more, though... I think it's a girls' thing.
Tonka, 200 kph is a hug he achievement!!! I have no place over here to try that...
Oh, yes, one more thing (coming back to the forks) - well, the forks from a 2014 NK seem to be [drumroll] different!!! They are shorter, or set shorter, or the springs are shorter. Anyways, I can now put both feet surely on the ground. I noticed the change yesterday, but I couldn't pinpoint what it was exactly. I do like the new feel better - it feels more like a street bike now rather than like a heavy supermoto.
It might be that my senses are failing me or I am hallucinating, but I had a couple of my friends try the bike out and both of them reported the same feeling without me telling them beforehand.
So it might be more than just an illusion.
Re: Steve's CFMoto 650 NK（春风 650 NK）
OK Steve, now you've explained the entire fork situation it make more sense.
I also have a flashing light, it's 15 short flashes....service time. However on mine I can't do the throttle trick to turn it off. Luckily it stops after the first 15.
Re: Steve's CFMoto 650 NK（春风 650 NK）
Hi guys, I am from Argentina and I have a 650 NK too. I want to know whats means the EFI Error Code #37, the owner manual says: ERROR_ D LAMP(Error indicator light)_OC 37 3(L.F.) + 7 (S.F.) . The error code comes after revs the bike up to 6000 or more RPM and only 2 times in a months. I need to know whats that means that EFI error code. By the way, the bike its run fine without any fails.
Re: Steve's CFMoto 650 NK（春风 650 NK）
ZMC888, at least your light stops blinking... Mine has been on and off by its own accord.
grb, hello! I don't know what that error code is - if it's irregular my guess would be a system hiccup. You could take your bike to the mechanic to have your ECU reset and connections on ECU, injectors tested, but it won't guarantee a 100% solution.
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Thank you Steve. The injectors are new (both) and I reseted the ECU but the problem persist.
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I've recently started experiencing problems with locks on my CFMoto. First, the steering column lock / ignition disconnects when the key is pressed all the way clockwise. Weird, I know, but it feels like: turn - unlock; turn - ignition on; start; press the clockwise and the whole electrical chain cuts off. Very dangerous on the road. I mean VERY dangerous.
Besides that, I have some nasty mold sitting on the inside of the tank cap. Looks like it's rainwater + gas fumes, and I know it for sure that it should absolutely not be there.
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So I got me a set of locks for the 2014 model CFMoto 650 NK.
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Will see how they go. Replacing the locks today.
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Steve_Halt
I've recently started experiencing problems with locks on my CFMoto. First, the steering column lock / ignition disconnects when the key is pressed all the way clockwise. Weird, I know, but it feels like: turn - unlock; turn - ignition on; start; press the clockwise and the whole electrical chain cuts off. Very dangerous on the road. I mean VERY dangerous.
Besides that, I have some nasty mold sitting on the inside of the tank cap. Looks like it's rainwater + gas fumes, and I know it for sure that it should absolutely not be there.
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So I got me a set of locks for the 2014 model CFMoto 650 NK.
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Will see how they go. Replacing the locks today.
Wau thats some nasty mold! How long has your bike been sitting still??
There has been some moisture in your tank or else that mold could not come there, or maybe its just some condensation what helped mould to grow.
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is that mould or corrosion? Looks like aluminium cap and steel tank which would be perfect to set up galvanic corrosion.
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Wald0, my bike hasn't been sitting still for a single day. I literally ride it daily, to work and back and then some. What happened was that the gas cap internal rubber seal got all dry and cracked and lost of its rubber qualities, thusly letting rainwater go under the gas cap (my 20+ Honda Steed (VlX 400) doesn't have that problem, btw) and accumulate between the cap and the tank inlet.
zhu, seems to be mould, since you can clean it off with paint remover (or Chinese BaiJiu). After cleaning it off there aren't any marks on the inside of the gas cap. Then this thing builds up after the next rain.
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Steve_Halt
Wald0, my bike hasn't been sitting still for a single day. I literally ride it daily, to work and back and then some. What happened was that the gas cap internal rubber seal got all dry and cracked and lost of its rubber qualities, thusly letting rainwater go under the gas cap (my 20+ Honda Steed (VlX 400) doesn't have that problem, btw) and accumulate between the cap and the tank inlet.
zhu, seems to be mould, since you can clean it off with paint remover (or Chinese BaiJiu). After cleaning it off there aren't any marks on the inside of the gas cap. Then this thing builds up after the next rain.
If you smear petroleum jelly around the ali part I bet you a shiny kuai that mould stops
Re: Steve's CFMoto 650 NK（春风 650 NK）
zhu, damn, how come I never thought of that!!! This is what I'll do: I'll test it for a month and see how it fares. Should that nasty stuff build up again, I'll clean it off and Vaseline it for good. If not - bravo CFMoto, your tank cap design has improved.
Re: Steve's CFMoto 650 NK（春风 650 NK）
Now that the weather is good I went out for some riding and bumped into a strange problem - one you rev the bike up to the redline in 1st gear, the engine suddenly bogs down and loses torque. The feeling is as if one of the cylinders has suddenly stopped working. It results in the bike slowing down drastically and, I believe, is very dangerous.
For a test, I redlined my bike in the 2nd and 3rd gear - no such thing happened.
I changed the spark plugs last month and don't see why it should suddenly be happening.
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Ou god... That looks like it will do wheelie in stand still! and i'm sorry to say, but it sure does look ugly :/ I have never liked top box on the bikes, side bags are ok but yours sit so far back.
I have been looking this kind of rack from Taobao. -> Rack
They are not perfect, but they do look decent enough.
only problem is that those aluminium boxes are not cheap :)
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Hi Steve
Had the same thing with the top box
I got of Taobao as well just to small
could not Fit my new shark evo 3 in ,
so found a GIVI box big as f##k will hold
a battle Ship lol and I then fitted running/brake
Lights with some indicator lights as well
Looks good and does the job , fitted
a plug So I can remove the top box easy
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How do your feet touch the ground? That bike seems way too tall for you!! :lol8:
Re: CFMoto 650 NK Storage
same principle as used for the side stand extender...
here
here
and here
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